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farukhossain
March 24, 2005, 02:00 PM
I am worried about BD team in Eng. BD actually did not perform well with Zim. Eng. is in very good touch with Peterson.:-/

2007WcSemifinalist
March 24, 2005, 08:33 PM
:)

cricket_pagla
March 25, 2005, 07:27 AM
Originally posted by farukhossain
.... BD actually did not perform well with Zim. .....:-/
r u sure?:exclamation:

Red Cherry
March 25, 2005, 08:51 AM
fighting.
lot will depend on few individuals like Bashar, Ash, Rafique and most importantly Chacha.
I strongly feel he will be a key player in England.

akabir77
March 25, 2005, 09:10 AM
Agree chacha is the key no doubt about it :up:

Optimist
March 25, 2005, 12:23 PM
I have been thinking about this for quite some time now. It is refreshing to see our fans in an optimistic mood following the wins against India and Zimbabwe. A team’s successful demolition of their counterparts in Zimbabwe has surely added fuel to the optimism that we have finally turned the wheel.

Unfortunately I don't share the same vive. Bangladesh cricket is no doubt on its way up. But the progress is gradual and we have a long way to go before we can compete with the top teams. Bangladesh has visited England as recently as in last September for the ICC Champions Trophy. Not only had we lost badly against the West Indies and South Africa in the group matches, we also lost against Scotland in a practice match. Nothing much has changed since then. Yes we have a couple more players to choose from and some of the other players have gained little bit more experience. And off course we are more confident with a couple of wins under our belt. But that won’t make us a competitive side against the mighty Aussies and fast improving Pommies.

Now comes the question of Key Player. To me, ever since our first test, the answer has always been very easy. It is none other than our captain courageous Habibul Bashar. Most of us will agree that the three best tests that we have played so far are: 1) The one wicket loss to Pakistan in Multan, ii) The drawn test against West Indies in St. Lucia, and iii) Our first ever test victory against Zimbabwe in Chittagong. Bashar’s contribution was handsome, to say the least, in all those three matches – 113 and 25 in St. Lucia, 72 in the first innings in Multan, and 94 and 55 in Chittagong. I know other people also contributed in those tests. But I say he was the catalyst. What he does to our batting is amazing. When comes out to bat, he always backs himself. Be it McGrath, Lee or Shoeb Akhtar, as long as he is in the crease he dominates them. He shows that these bowlers are mere mortals. It is not surprising that most of our poor series under Whatmore coincided with his poor form or absence. He did not play against New Zealand and did not bat well against the Indians (in tests) in the two home series. And I was not surprised that the Tigers surrendered meekly. Even as captain, Bangladesh do well when he backs his team. The recent one-day series victory was a case in point. Even when we were down 0-2, he was insisting that we shall win. And win we did! So I have no doubt who is going to be our key man. Bashar is a colossus for a team like Bangladesh. When others struggle to maintain averages above 20, he consistently averaged over 33. He has rightly the man in charge and lot will depend on him during our tricky tour to British Isles. The critics are waiting with baited breath to see us humiliated. And we will need each of our players to perform 110% to even gain a semblance of respectability.

Lot has been said about team selection. My view is that it will hardly matter. We have a limited pool of players. Though there is a big difference between them in terms of potential, there is not much between them in terms of current ability. IMHO our performance scale heavily depends on our batting, in particular the batting of our captain couragesous.

Beamer
March 25, 2005, 04:27 PM
Like you, I have no expectations either as long as we avoid humiliation and the consequent media drubbing that will follow after it. I want us to be competative and show fighting attributes.
I think they will try their best.

Bashar's record speaks for himself. Not having him in home series against NZ was a big let down for us. Even when we travelled to Zim last year, right after his appointment as the captain, he was not in best of form and our result showed in the test matches, barring rain in one test that saved our skin. For us to do well, he must show the way with his bat. We go as he goes.

Mashrafee is another big player in our equation. Not having him for more than a year negatively affected our bowling. Having him back again is a wonderful news for us.

Optimist
March 25, 2005, 09:06 PM
Yeah Mashrafee has become an irreplacable component of our team. I'm eagerly waiting to see what he can do in England. He can swing in both direction, he has got the brain and control; I can't see any reason why he won't be a handful in England.

You are right about the Zimbabwe tour. And I'm sure you remember the last time England was in Bangladesh. The only time we were able to put some pressure was when he and Hannan Sarker was playing together during the fourth morning of the first test.

cricketboy
March 25, 2005, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by akabir77
Agree chacha is the key no doubt about it :up:

Never :D

feisal
March 26, 2005, 01:33 AM
to add: performance will depend on Weather too.. un der seaming conditions, just anything can happen to any batsman... mind u that many stalwarts could not bat well in England.or took 3 tours to get in terms with the conditions.. GS Chappel (away average and home average almost same), for one could never muster the condition. Richardson took 3 tours to score runs....

I, however, believe that now we have some other players to bank (along with Bashar) as far as batting is concerned.. in fact, two most famous effort of ours were masterminded by mashud (draw in windies) and nafis (dhaka)... and an almost case (ash in ctg).

Optimist
March 26, 2005, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by feisal
to add: performance will depend on Weather too.. un der seaming conditions, just anything can happen to any batsman... mind u that many stalwarts could not bat well in England.or took 3 tours to get in terms with the conditions.. GS Chappel (away average and home average almost same), for one could never muster the condition. Richardson took 3 tours to score runs....

Agreed completely

I, however, believe that now we have some other players to bank (along with Bashar) as far as batting is concerned.. in fact, two most famous effort of ours were masterminded by mashud (draw in windies) and nafis (dhaka)... and an almost case (ash in ctg).

I have no doubt Ashraful, Rajin, Masud are very important parts of our batting. But my key word was "catalyst" and respectability.

In the three matches I mentioned............Bangladesh acttually dominated most of the sessions. In St. Lucia, Masud saved the match, but the domination resulted from Habibul's innings. Against Zimbabwe, Enamul was the Man of the match; but I have no doubt who laid the foundation. In multan.......it was a team effort for sure.

The Dhaka test against Zimbabwe was different since we were expected to dominate but ended up fighting just to avoid humiliation. Bashar has never been the desired man in crisis. IMHO, the whole scenario of this match would have changed had Bashar scored in the first innings. That's what I mean by the term "key".

Ashraful's innings, no doubt one of the best by any of our batsmen, was just a face saving innings. I don't want Bangladesh to come back from England with few face saving performances. I want them to put England under pressure at least for a few sessions. And I think Habibul's performance will be th key.

I hope I made myself clear. But having said that, I know this issue is verry subjective and people surely have differrent opinions.


Edited on, March 26, 2005, 3:21 PM GMT, by Optimist.

Ahmed_B
March 26, 2005, 12:57 PM
Wel... to be frank... it is not going to be a 'all pleasent' tour. there are going to be big difficulties.

First difficulty will be due to the discontinuity of being in touch with Int'l lever cricket. The instant result of which may well be like many pervious series that BD played (struggle and stumble in initial matches.. but show determination later on in the series)... even like the recent Home series vs. India.

#_IMO.. the following are our dependable consistant players for the coming series:

Rafiq
Pilot
Masree
Rajin
Bashar (specially in tests, as he has been so far)
Nafees
Tapash

#_Wheras these player's performance may be found flactuating(if in the team):

J.Omar
Ash
Aftab
Rana
Sujon
Nazmul
Tushar Imran or whoever is taken in the team as no.6 batsman
(because everyone who can be taken is inconsistant)

Edited on, March 26, 2005, 6:10 PM GMT, by crickethorizon.

chyicarus
March 26, 2005, 12:59 PM
I don't think any one player will shine in this series- but i think it will require a collective effort from all players. I'm not optimistic about BD taking the games to the 5th day but lets hope we can stretch the Pommies as much as we can.
I also believe that Aftab's one good one-day series performance doesn't really reflect his talent as many ppl are saying. I still think he has to improve immensely. Also Nafis lacks the consistent temperament. I'm eager to see how Mashrafee performs and how effective our tweakers are against the English boys under their conditions.
On the other hand- i'm looking forward to Peitersen's batting consistency. One-day matches might be one area we may see a lot of records being broken.

feisal
March 26, 2005, 04:45 PM
another point: catching in the slip cordon..

the way Bashar dropped tendulkar and rana dropped Ganguly in the Dhaka test against India!!!

Beamer
March 26, 2005, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by feisal
another point: catching in the slip cordon..

the way Bashar dropped tendulkar and rana dropped Ganguly in the Dhaka test against India!!!

A very worrying trend. Our slip catching is a big concern. There will be catches coming that way in English conditions. We have to identify our slip catchers and practice really hard. Rana won't play in tests. Bashar will be one of the slip fielders. I am not sure who among the rest can be depended as slip fielders. Aftab, Ash, Rajin usually field in the cover, point, gully and square leg area. They are our three best fielders. Maybe, one out of those three can be tried as a specialist slip fielder. Mashrafee can try as well. Its funny that hannan is no longer in the picture as he was one of our best slip fielder..

insideedge
March 26, 2005, 09:21 PM
Q: What will be the performance of BD in England?
A: Performance of BD in England will be a reflection of the ability of the BD cricketers in England.

Ameer
March 27, 2005, 09:08 AM
England's in good form... they are the number two team right now and expect them to try to assert their dominance. Bangladesh needs to perform well and prove that the Zimbabwe wins were not just because Zimbabwe was incredibly weak.

Edited on, March 27, 2005, 2:09 PM GMT, by Ameer.

Ahmed_B
March 30, 2005, 12:43 PM
The stage BD is in now... the opposition's form matters not so much actually.

BD's success will be to UPGRADE its game as many steps as possible through every series. So 'Win' isn't really the ONLY thing to get for BD... there are other areas where we need to gain a lot of things too.

Desh Bangla
April 27, 2005, 11:03 PM
A big big win what else now it's getting close so now we need a win . Some days before draw was good but now expectation gone up more than before .........

Edited on, April 28, 2005, 4:24 AM GMT, by Desh Bangla.

FaltuRidwanBhai
April 28, 2005, 02:26 AM
i think the most important thing that should be gained from this series is what whatmore is saying all the time, that is improvement in individual performances. i think our players especially our batsman needs to be far more consistent then they are now. if they can do that then there is no reason why we shouldnt do good. moreover as we still dont have players who can alone pull up the team to victory, we have to depend upon the overall team performance. thus everyone has to contribute to their fullest. this way automatically individual performance is going to improve. hopefully this will happen. hopefully each player is just not going to score one half century in the whole series and thats it. they have to be more consistent.

Desh Bangla
April 28, 2005, 02:42 AM
If we wanna play like chicken then we shouldn't be called Tigers .. We gotta win mate a big time win to squash the Kangaroos under tiger's claws ... Just roar it for sometimes now ..........

Locutus
April 28, 2005, 01:01 PM
Lose or win doesn't matter but this will be a tough contest. If we win great but if we lose I want lose honorably. I am sure BD will give their best.

CTazim
April 28, 2005, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by insideedge
Q: What will be the performance of BD in England?
A: Performance of BD in England will be a reflection of the ability of the BD cricketers in England.


That is very DEEP!!!:clap:;)

FaltuRidwanBhai
April 28, 2005, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Logen
Lose or win doesn't matter but this will be a tough contest. If we win great but if we lose I want lose honorably. I am sure BD will give their best.


yes this is the most realistic comment.

FaltuRidwanBhai
April 28, 2005, 03:05 PM
achha amra to bengol tiger. abar australianra to kangaroo. england ke ki bole? amar to akta kothai bar bar mone ashtese. MAD COW?