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Rubu
March 28, 2005, 12:48 AM
Since chinaman's post about poll topic, i'm a bit shaky about opening this poll. hopefully, this will not fall into the catagory of "garbage". anyway........

i recently see a huge number of post and arguments about rana. Obviously there are some rana haters and some other are rana hearter (trying to make up a word matching hater, u should get the idea about meaning).

where do u stand?

Edited on, March 28, 2005, 5:30 PM GMT, by chinaman.
Reason: Add poll to subject

Beamer
March 28, 2005, 12:53 AM
This is a bad bad thread.

Rubu
March 28, 2005, 12:57 AM
Originally posted by Beamer
This is a bad bad thread.

and the reason would be...........

fan_frm_the_uk
March 28, 2005, 12:59 AM
rana,
knows his ability, tries his best. I m not goin 2 say he is very skilled, but his approach is really good. To me, doesnt deserve a place in the test squad but a solid 1day candidate.

Beamer
March 28, 2005, 01:00 AM
reason would be?

dui camp er ghusha ghushi...

couger
March 28, 2005, 01:17 AM
He's a descent option for the ODIs, good utility palyer. Not for tests thaugh.

Red Cherry
March 28, 2005, 01:39 AM
Very determined mediocre player....good for current National team which lacks application.

Fazal
March 28, 2005, 01:48 AM
BD team is lucky to have rana.

I beleive there is more you need to have then just good technique to be successful and Rana have those in plenty. Thats why he some how managed to score more (than his team mates) in the highest level; it cannot be just pure luck all the time.

Hopefully his bowling will also improve. Regardless he is selected or not in the test team consistenly , BD team is lucky to have players like Rana. Who knows, he can turn out to be another Rafique with even more accomplished batsman. Rafique was also branded as a one day player early in his career.

Edited on, March 28, 2005, 6:50 AM GMT, by Fazal.

Rubu
March 28, 2005, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by Beamer
reason would be?

dui camp er ghusha ghushi...

actually, thats the idea ;)

i already have my gloves on as rana camp's captain. looking for the captain of anti-rana camp. where is Sham? or Spitfire_x86?

fan_frm_the_uk
March 28, 2005, 02:47 AM
:great:

i m goin 2 join in ur team as well. lets c, who dares.

RazabQ
March 28, 2005, 04:12 AM
all you rana lovers should like my latest post :)

Sham
March 28, 2005, 04:37 AM
I don't want to captain the Rana-haters camp, largely because it implies something which is untrue: that I hate Rana! Red Cherry writees 'Very determined mediocre player....good for current National team which lacks application.' I couldn't agree more. Like him or "hate" him, I think both camps will agree that we are only going on and on and on with this Rana debate because the rest of our players have not applied themselves properly. Ashraful, Rajin, Nafees, Aftab should really have averages which are in the mid 30s, but only Bashar is there now. Therefore, Rana's average in the mid 20s makes him a batsman by BD's standards.

Anyway, like I said, I don't hate the guy. I just don't think he is a batsman. You have to give him points for grit and determination and for using his limited skill to the fullest. I saw him bat in all four innings against India in the Test matches, and even in the innings in which he scored sixty odd, he came across to me as a gritty tail-end batsman who really put a price on his wicket and refused to budge. Doesn't have the shots or the fluency of a batsman, but applies himself well. When I read people trying to make him into an opener or stuff like that, I really wonder if we are talking about the same player that I've watched play.

Anyway, if Rana gets into the team, he will on the strength of his own performance. What I think hardly matters anyway, which is why I don't understand why the pro-Rana camp gets so worked up about it. But no points for guessing in which category I voted, good for ODIs, doesn't really have a place in my Test team!

Zephaniah
March 28, 2005, 05:19 AM
Originally posted by Red Cherry
Very determined mediocre player....good for current National team which lacks application.

Spot on. Bulls eye!

Spitfire_x86
March 28, 2005, 07:31 AM
"rana is lucky to be in BD team"

:saint:

Spitfire_x86
March 28, 2005, 07:33 AM
Originally posted by AgentSmith
i already have my gloves on as rana camp's captain. looking for the captain of anti-rana camp. where is Sham? or Spitfire_x86?
How can I miss a Rana thread? :lol:

Rubu
March 28, 2005, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by razabq
all you rana lovers should like my latest post :)

which thread? threads move so fast here, its hard to find a post by just user name and "last post". u might wanna post the link.

Mahmood
March 28, 2005, 11:49 AM
In the land of blinds, the one-eyed man is king.

At current situation, BD is lucky to have Rana.

Mr-khan
March 28, 2005, 11:59 AM
BD team is lucky to have rana

chinaman
March 28, 2005, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by AgentSmith
which thread? threads move so fast here, its hard to find a post by just user name and "last post". u might wanna post the link.

The thread finds its way to the front page already, run agent, run :)

BTW, this poll is well justified in my view.

fwullah
March 28, 2005, 12:12 PM
I was this (_) close for voting for the following one, but instead, voted for the OK for national team answer.


He should only be in squad as reserve

cricket_pagla
March 28, 2005, 12:21 PM
Rana er khela deikha ami moja pai... karon se HIT korar somoy chokh bondho koira HIT kore na!:lol::lol::lol::clap::clap::clap:

fwullah
March 28, 2005, 12:29 PM
just don't think he is a batsman. You have to give him points for grit and determination and for using his limited skill to the fullest.


And this is where I will start a new fight (or rather, show some stupidity?).

How many of you remember watching Sanath Jayasuriya at his early years? Before he started opening? I have not seen him before he started opening, but watching Jayasuriya play for over 5 years very closely, I find it very interesting to compare Jayasuriya with our very own Monjurul Islam Rana.

I think you'd remember that Rafique was called 'Jayasuriya of Bangladesh' during 1997 Asia Cup? Well, we have not seen Rana much - I mean, in the last 10 overs of an exciting One Day match, but from what I have seen so far of him, both Rana and Jayasuriya has & had the opportunity to become what is Jayasuriya (himself) is today.

Yes, Rana doesn't have much of a batting technique - and from what I remember of Jayasuriya - he also doesn't have much of a technique - not close to our Ashraful anyway. So, in my dreams for the future, if Rana can continue to improve on his shot selection, then he has a good chance of opening in Tests sometimes in the future - on a regular basis. However, with the crying need for a specialist left arm spin bowler in ODIs, Rana may not be able to give too much concentration on his batting - as I would like him to do anyways.

Now here are the points where I think Rana has similarity with Jayasuriya apart from both being left arm spinners & left handed lower order batsman in the beginning of their careers:-

1. Grit & Determination
2. Desire to continuously improve on their game
3. Better concentration level - high as far as Javed Omar's concentration level (of staying at the wicket for hours & hours)
4. Confidence level, which thus far, has not dropped even after his initial 1 year of debut in International cricket - which was quite evident in almost all young debutant players of Bangladesh - a normal phenomenon
5. Better approach & application to the game

Even if you don't agree with me, just state your opinion on the above 4 quality on Rana - as to whether he possesses them or not.

AsifTheManRahman
March 28, 2005, 12:32 PM
Manjural is a true fighter and one of the most consistent performers in the team. Yes, he has limited shots in his book and limited abilities overall. However, I don't care about all that if the guy's scoring runs and taking wickets, and he did save our butts when we were almost losing the series to Zimbabwe. He is perfect for ODI's when you consider the current bunch that we have. I wouldn't put him in my test side simply because of the availability of better "specialist" players and because I want to try him out more in 3/4 dayers.

rana
March 28, 2005, 12:35 PM
BD team is lucky to have rana.

Rana is a real fighter :great:

AsifTheManRahman
March 28, 2005, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by Sham
Like him or "hate" him, I think both camps will agree that we are only going on and on and on with this Rana debate because the rest of our players have not applied themselves properly. Ashraful, Rajin, Nafees, Aftab should really have averages which are in the mid 30s....

come on....would india choose ganguly in their side if all their other "talented" players averaged what they should have? i'm not comparing rana to ganguly, but what i'm trying to say is that <b>ALL</b> teams play the eleven that they play only because similar or greater talents haven't flourished. rana's performance is better than any of ash, aftab, etc etc, and who cares how much talent he has? converting abilities into performance on the main stage is also an important quality, and people have no business playing cricket if they don't have that :)

9/11 of the guys we choose from time to time to represent us on the cricket field are there because we don't have anyone better - i mean or else who would want someone like aftab or rajin or nafees (all averaging below what a test cricketer should)?

al Furqaan
March 28, 2005, 04:39 PM
we are indeed lucky to have rana. we are no position to leave out players especially if they have something to offer. when we are as strong as australia, perhaps we wont need rana, but till then he's our man.

anyways...rana should not be in our test squad unless we have no other batsmen or bowlers. but i think he is an ODI fixture. he has great bowling econ, and can bat decently at times. if he can bowl at 4 RPO and take a wicket or three, he will be useful in ODIs.

Beamer
March 28, 2005, 05:26 PM
Jayasuriya will go on to early retirement if he finds out that he has been compared with Rana. Sheer lunacy and fantasy at best. Why? they are both left-handed? If the comparison was with Butcher of England ( far fetched ), ok, maybe, since both are simmilar in relative terms, if you must draw a parrallel betwen England and Bangladesh. But, NO..One of the most destructive batsman of all time is getting compared to Rana!

PoorFan
March 28, 2005, 09:25 PM
I will be happy if you all come to a conclusion on this Rana thing THIS TIME!
"BD team is lucky to have rana" in my view.

Rubu
March 28, 2005, 09:35 PM
i'd have agree with you, beamer, that rana can never be jayasuriya, but.........

one small piece of picture came in mind, and i'd not say it but would probably back fw up that it COULD hapeen some day.

did u watch the 4th ODI against ZIM? at the end of bd innings we were in slog over and rana was on the crease. he hit a ball, and i thought it was a return catch to the bowler. well, it actually went for six. those of you who watched that match knows which one i'm talking about. it was one of the most effortless six i've ever seen. keep in mind that he is still in his early 20's. if groomed properly, who knows he just might become jayasuriya.

aosaif
March 29, 2005, 01:30 AM
its good to have a left-handed batsman in the team. Seen enough of Ashraful's "potential." Need a guy who's prepared to stick it out in the middle. Rana's the man......hopefully.

aosaif
March 29, 2005, 01:31 AM
although i have to say i'd like to try out some of these other batsmen from the NCL.....like Shaheen Hossain

RazabQ
March 29, 2005, 01:38 AM
Unless a young guy is scoring big 100s every game, the path has to be A team and then Sr. squad. A test cap should not be so easily obtained. E.g Faisal hossain last year.

Ahmed_B
March 29, 2005, 06:16 AM
Originally posted by razabq
Unless a young guy is scoring big 100s every game, the path has to be A team and then Sr. squad. A test cap should not be so easily obtained. E.g Faisal hossain last year.

Supporting you 100%

(Though this is getting off-topic) Even if a newcomer is scoring big 100's in Domestics... he must not skip the 'Tempering' phase of Age group & A-teams. Because this jump from Domestics to National team only makes him a 'National Villain' in the long run where he has the least fault, rather it is the fault of the system that we try to 'Exploit' his talents.. but not groom it.

Shehwar
March 29, 2005, 07:40 AM
We definitely need Rana in the ODIs and he has proved his worth on more than one occasion....As far as Test cricket goes....well...with Rafique and Enamul in such awesome form it wud be difficult for him to get into playing eleven unless we decide to play three spinners(which is highly unlikely!)....Rana is a decent spinner for me...got good variation & got a good thinking head on his shoulders....as far as his batting goes....He lacks the technique to play genuine fast bowling....9 times out of 10 he he can be dismissed easily by a good fast bowler as very often he opens up even while defending.....But he is a very gritty cricketer who knowz his limitations & puts a value on his wickets....and thats why he often scores more runs than many of the BD batters who are more gifted than him...Cheers...

Tokai
March 29, 2005, 01:58 PM
shobai mila hotath koira rana ray ranna kora shuru korlo keno buzlam na.

pagol-chagol
March 29, 2005, 02:08 PM
Looks like so far 29 people want him in the national team (either test/one day) and 3 people want him out.

Name those 3.

Its easy.

Fazal
March 29, 2005, 02:15 PM
Its not easy.

s, s, and b.:-/

or

s,s, and s .:-/

or

s, r, and z .:-/

No it must be

mr-khan, Rajputro, and PoorFan who wants Rana out.


Edited on, March 29, 2005, 7:29 PM GMT, by Fazal.

al Furqaan
March 29, 2005, 02:22 PM
where is SS bhai? havent heard from him in a while. and falturidwanbhai as well? hope they are fine and well.

AsifTheManRahman
March 29, 2005, 02:31 PM
FRB is preparing his "BD in England" special.

dunno about SS

Fazal
March 29, 2005, 02:47 PM
SS is in honeymoon I guess. Last time we know of him, he just decided to reunite with his ex-girlfriend.

Edited on, March 29, 2005, 7:47 PM GMT, by Fazal.

Sorry
March 29, 2005, 03:49 PM
the best three spinners we have are rafiq, enamul, and rana. i think we should shuffle and use 2 of them in the team regularly depending on opposition and pitch. i am sure in certain conditions each of them will perform well. but it is no point being so excited as we have not found a murali or shane warne yet who can actually win a match single handedly against any opposition.

bdmoderator
March 29, 2005, 11:36 PM
BD team is lucky to have rana.

bourny3
March 30, 2005, 05:31 AM
Rana is great and BD are lucky to have him.

Mahmood
March 30, 2005, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by Rajputro
At current situation, BD is lucky to have Rana.

Originally posted by Fazal
mr-khan, Rajputro, and PoorFan who wants Rana out.

Look again.

AsifTheManRahman
March 30, 2005, 11:13 AM
you know him - he was just fooling around, being sarcastic.

Fazal
March 30, 2005, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by Rajputro
Look again.

Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
you know him - he was just fooling around, being sarcastic.
:clap: