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capslock
April 3, 2005, 02:01 AM
I know that a lot of people are going to jump on me as soon as I post this, but hear me out. I think Kapali should be a part of the England squad. Not as a batsman, but as a bowler.


As it is, we have no specialist Leg or Off spinner, (Ashraful does not count). And Kapali is doing some impressive stuff with the ball in the Premier league at the moment, why not take him in as a specialist spinner and have him bat at number 9 or 10?

I think the primary reason people have become so anti-Kapali is because he has failed to live up to his batting potential, well then let's stop looking at him as a batsman. Have him in as a bowler and if he can chip in as a 6 or 7 down batsman then all the better. As a tailender not much will be expected of him anyway and if he can score a few runs then all the better for both him and the team. He can work his way back up the order if he improves as a batsman, if he doesn't, then he can stay on as a bowler. Don't forget that he has a test hattrick.

Think about it, I think going into England with all SLAs is a bad bad mistake, bowling variety is important. I would go as far as to say drop Razzaq or even Enamul and take Kapali in for some bowling variety. If we can stop looking at Kapali as a batsman I think he can truly perform for his country.

mahbubH
April 3, 2005, 02:50 AM
And Kapali is doing some impressive stuff with the ball in the Premier league at the moment

Which premier league you are talking about?

I would go as far as to say drop Razzaq or even Enamul and take Kapali in for some bowling variety

We can add more variation by including some offie to the squad. e.g., Sabbir khan, Jamaluddin.

Time to start a poll ... who is better leggie (i) Kapali, (ii) Ash, (iii) Shamol, (iv) Rubel, (v) Asim, etc.

fwullah
April 3, 2005, 03:30 AM
And Kapali is doing some impressive stuff with the ball in the Premier league at the moment,


Performance in the premier league means nothing. Alok Kapali will sometimes go for 4 runs an over in an ODI and some times he will take 1 or 2 wickets at best either in ODIs or Tests, but most of the time he will go for 6 runs an over.

So, in short term, Kapali doesn't count as a specialist bowler. As an all-rounder, you could always take him in the ODIs, but where does he fit in when we already have too many all-rounders in Sujon, Rana both of whom do not necessarily play in the same ODI match?

For me, Kapali has to learn to be more accurate than he is - like take 5 wickets in an innings on more occassions that he is doing now, for 3 to 4 seasons in a row, then we could take him just as a specialist bowler.

fwullah
April 3, 2005, 03:45 AM
Think about it, I think going into England with all SLAs is a bad bad mistake, bowling variety is important


You have a valid point there.

What I think is this way - Rajjak is not going to England even if we make two squads - one for tests and one for ODIs (and in reality, we're actually going to have one squad - combined of both tests & ODI players), so he's omitted.

Rana is not going as a bowler - he'll be filling in a middle-order batsman's position (in that case we have to think - is Tushar Imran a more valid option than Rana?). And if either Rafique or Enamul Junior is injured during the middle of the tour, then Rana can come in to replace either Rafique or Enamul as a bowler. So in that case, Rana the bowler is not really in the competition here.

It leaves us with only 2 specialist slow left arm bowlers - Rafique & Enamul Junior. And among them, since Rafique is vastly experienced and Enamul is vastly inexperienced, Rafique will always go ahead and make way into the final eleven if we decide to play only one spinner in the side.

In addition to that, if Rafique gets injured (Allah na koruk!) then in one test or in one or two ODIs, Enamul gets in place of Rafique.

Frankly speaking, we'll not need our (part time) spinners to bowl in the tests - our front fline seamers will do their job taking help from the conditions. And if our front line bowlers can't do it, then Aftab is there as the part time seaming option.

Then, if we do need to use our part time spinners (Rajin - right arm off spinner, Ashraful - leg spinner) then both of us will know that they are gonna be used as our last resort because neither of Tapash, Mashrafee, Rajib, (Nazmul, Sujon, Rana, Enamul - if chosen in the final team), Aftab, Rafique has not done their job.

Do we really want to go that far? Because if all the above specialist bowlers have not done their job, then we'll face a situation like England are 500 runs for the loss of only 2 wickets.

cricket_pagla
April 3, 2005, 07:03 AM
:great:
Every one has a valid point!.. but I think.. BD Cricket Selectors did ryt thing not to picking up Kapali

couger
April 3, 2005, 11:24 AM
Cannot include anyone based on one or two good showing, there has to consistancy.

Shehwar
April 4, 2005, 07:47 AM
Originally posted by fwullah

Think about it, I think going into England with all SLAs is a bad bad mistake, bowling variety is important

...Rana is not going as a bowler - he'll be filling in a middle-order batsman's position (in that case we have to think - is Tushar Imran a more valid option than Rana?). And if either Rafique or Enamul Junior is injured during the middle of the tour, then Rana can come in to replace either Rafique or Enamul as a bowler. So in that case, Rana the bowler is not really in the competition here...

I really do hope the selectors dont consider Rana as a middle order bat.....We are once again in the process of creating another Kapali if this actually happens....Rana inspite of having some notable contributions with the bat was never a batsman and never will be.....He is a quality spinner and that shud be the way its is for him and infact shud have an advantage over Enamul in competition as a bowler with his batting giving him the slight edge.....Whatever runs we get from Rana shud be considered as a bonus...I honestly don't want Rana to start thinking he is a proper batsman.....We all know what happened when Kapali thought that way --- Forgot to bowl and also forgot to bat!!! ...So if Rana is actually being considered as a middle order option(Which he is not by stretch of the imaginations!)...the chances are.....he will be dropped from the squad for failing with the bat(!)...and we will lose a very promosing SLA who was made to think he was a batsman.....Just like we lost the leggie Kapali.....However.. its good to see Kapali bowling again and the bloke finally realized what hez better at...cheers....

Blah
April 4, 2005, 08:01 AM
Originally posted by capslock
I know that a lot of people are going to jump on me as soon as I post this,

You are absolutely right. And if I had a bat with me right now, and if you were next to me. I would have wacked you with it.

So - uh eh - assuming MR. Kapali would save our a-s-s in England. Which stubborn bowler would you replace from the final 11.

Assuming we will be playing 4 bowlers at one time (highly likely), and the four bowlers being:

Masri
Rafique
Tapash
Rajib ( Talha or Nazmul )

There is absolutely no way we are going to play 2 spinners (or just 2 fast bowlers). Don't even think about it. So 2 options are left. Either we replace Rafique. Or replace one of the proven batsmen and has no reason to be omitted out of the squad, and take kapali instead; hoping that by chance of luck either he will score a dazzling century or take 7 wickets with his hypnotizing "mayabi" spin.

You know, the chances of Earth bouncing off the Sun, is higher than that.

Blah

RazabQ
April 4, 2005, 10:30 AM
somtimes I wonder if we should conduct random drug testing on posters and stop the positive testers for 1-2 days. Bet some of these "he said what????" posts would vanish then :)

Sham
April 4, 2005, 12:28 PM
Kapali was MOM in today's national league one dayer against Chittagong! Hehe.

And no, I absolutely don't think he should go to England!

AsifTheManRahman
April 4, 2005, 01:51 PM
first Wascoroni and now Kapali...wow...we <i><b>do</b></i> have a great deal of creativity...:)

no i mean seriously...<font color = "green">i encourage this kind of creativity, which is why i had created a poll for the best wicket keeper in BD (or something like that - dont remember) a couple of weeks ago and included ashraful as a candidate</font>...

coming up: hannan can replace whatmore as the coach in england.

seriously - don't you think he looks like a coach when he turns his face so that his nose is lying at 60 degrees to the camera?

*throwing away the bottle of dail i was holding*



Edited on, April 4, 2005, 6:53 PM GMT, by AsifTheManRahman.

Ovi Khan
April 4, 2005, 02:54 PM
Kapali got too many chances. He should not be considered as a part of the team :down: :down:

Edited on, April 4, 2005, 7:55 PM GMT, by Ovi Khan.
Reason: Changed "to" into "too"

pagol-chagol
April 4, 2005, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
first Wascoroni and now Kapali...wow...we <i><b>do</b></i> have a great deal of creativity...:)

no i mean seriously...<font color = "green">i encourage this kind of creativity, which is why i had created a poll for the best wicket keeper in BD (or something like that - dont remember) a couple of weeks ago and included ashraful as a candidate</font>...

coming up: hannan can replace whatmore as the coach in england.

seriously - don't you think he looks like a coach when he turns his face so that his nose is lying at 60 degrees to the camera?

*throwing away the bottle of dail i was holding*



Edited on, April 4, 2005, 6:53 PM GMT, by AsifTheManRahman.

:P

pagol-chagol
April 5, 2005, 02:30 PM
Kapali scores another half century - A blazing 77.

How many half centuries in a row?

Blah
April 5, 2005, 03:36 PM
As far as I am concerned. he needs another dozen half-centuries and couple of centuries and couple more of 5-for to be even considered to be in the final 20 (not even the final 11) of the team.

Alot more player did a lot better performance in the current NCL, than him. Acouple of half-centires should not ensure his inclusion in the team.

Rubu
April 5, 2005, 04:22 PM
after all the national players are taken away and u19 leaves for australia, kapali is now the varer dolay basur pordan. so is mushfiq babu. but they both are still crap. in this situation i think even hannan can get a few runs :o

chyicarus
April 5, 2005, 05:05 PM
There's one critical explanation many of us miss out, i.e- yes Kapali is a "leg spinner", but his balls are more topsinners/skidders, which is what got him wickets in the NCL.
In England you need turners, big tuners in fact.
Another problem he has is pitch it short and this gives times to adjust his foot movement and whack it.
English batsmen weren't born yesterday and they've played both spinners and seamers and Kapali's inclusion as a leg spinner would be a massacre for our team.

Sham
April 5, 2005, 05:07 PM
Uh oh, the Kapali haters are getting nervous. They are actually discussing what he now needs to do to 'ensure his place in the team.' Its okay folks, I'm here to allay your fears. My boy Kaps will not be going to England so you guys don't need to come up with stuff like he needs to score 2938 more centuries when there are only two games left in the NCL! Kapali's place in the Sylhet team was under pressure, so now he is just trying to establish his place in our middle order. Once we decide that he is good enough for us, we may allow him to try out for the BD national side!

Talking of Sylhet, we better kick Chittagong big time. i'm sick and tired of all the draws thanks to Golam Rahman and Moniruzzaman scoring hundreds in 300 balls and the team scoring 200 runs a day! By the way, Tintin, what is the most number of consecutive half centuries in a Bangladesh domestic season (4 dayers and one-dayers combined)?

Edited on, April 5, 2005, 10:18 PM GMT, by Sham.

Rubu
April 5, 2005, 10:10 PM
in the history of world cricket kapali's name will be written in golden letter as the guy who had been the best example of difference between talent and performance.

if bd selectors has learned any lessions so far, kapali = history.

Blah
April 6, 2005, 08:14 AM
I am guessing, by saying that you mean to say that kapali actually has talent.

mahbubH
April 6, 2005, 09:11 AM
>> i think even hannan can get a few runs

He is already dropped from Barisal 4-day team :umm:... bad luck .. he could not try his luck against mighty-Chacha-less Dhaka attack.

BangladeshFan
April 6, 2005, 05:50 PM
Think about it, I think going into England with all SLAs is a bad bad mistake, bowling variety is important. I would go as far as to say drop Razzaq or even Enamul and take Kapali in for some bowling variety. If we can stop looking at Kapali as a batsman I think he can truly perform for his country.


I dont think so. Play to your strengths. Only quality bowlers Bd have is rafiq and enamul. I really cant see mashrafi or tapash threatening england batsmen, forget about pitches. Even if Bd wants to draw, spinners are the best bet since they can exploit rough outside leg stump.

Playing kapali in tests is outrageous, his legspin will be clobbered. can be considered in ODIs but only if he can be good enough to replace one of top 6 batsmen.

al
April 6, 2005, 07:52 PM
play for draw in 5 day tests and win atleast 1 ODI