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RazabQ
April 5, 2005, 01:37 AM
Andrew Miller's excellent piece on Cricinfo (http://plus.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2005/APR/222234_COL-WORLD_05APR2005.html). It's well balanced, fairly honest, and for icing on the cake, gives kudos to our BanglaCricket community. It's a must read!

I am intentionally not posting the entire text here, because I want people to go and read it off Cricinfo. That way cricinfo logs will show Mr. Miller's article was heavily trafficked and that can't be bad for him.

So folks, let us "chulkafy" his back like he has done ours :) Go to Cricinfo and read the piece.

Edited on, April 5, 2005, 6:37 AM GMT, by razabq.

Shehwar
April 5, 2005, 01:48 AM
A well written piece indeed....

RazabQ
April 5, 2005, 01:50 AM
> ... According to the website, Banglacricket.com (the
> home of some of the most relentlessly optimistic fans
> any team can wish to have) ...

From the same source as above.

Sham
April 5, 2005, 02:24 AM
Many of us have always liked Andrew's pieces on CricInfo for their depth, balance and honesty and this is just a continuation of that. But I can promise you, many BD fans will read this and come on and have a go at him! Its just in our nature to turn against the messenger when the truth hurts too much! Or even a little!

Edited on, April 5, 2005, 7:26 AM GMT, by Sham.

Zobair
April 5, 2005, 02:42 AM
well done Andrew! love his writing-style :)

James90
April 5, 2005, 04:17 AM
One of the best articles I've ever read! :bravo:

akabir77
April 5, 2005, 08:07 AM
Originally posted by Habibul_fan
One of the best articles I've ever read! :bravo:

Thats too much CHULKANI hoye galona bhai??? .. amreo ektu kortey den...

I think the zimbwe guy writes the games reports the best and andrew is best on articles...

AsifTheManRahman
April 5, 2005, 09:02 AM
A nice article, well balanced. Good read overall :)

chinaman
April 5, 2005, 09:21 AM
Andrew, what can I say, you just made my day. Wish I could read it to my heroes, daily, up until the Lord's.

Hasib
April 5, 2005, 09:55 AM
good article...wish the man himself will post a reply here

Mahmood
April 5, 2005, 10:23 AM
the home of some of the most relentlessly optimistic fans any team can wish to have


That is a great recognition for us. I do believe, ours is the best fan site of all cricket nations.

cricket_pagla
April 5, 2005, 10:32 AM
cool writing....;)

IanW
April 5, 2005, 11:10 AM
Sent this back to CricInfo ...

Bangladesh in England

Once Rafique steps off the plane, Ashley Giles will be the second-best slow left armer in England.

And thirty seconds later, when Enamul Haque Jr follows him, Ashley Giles will be the third best.

Three words about Ahmed Aftab ... Bob. Massie. Lords.

As for the quicks, Mashrafee is fit, and the young quick Shahadat is young, and he is quick. Baiysa will probably be the third seamer, and he's a poor man's Andy Bichel.

As far as the batting goes, if they can avoid the collapses, the talent is there. Bashar can bat, and Ashraful flogged the Indian bowling as if he had an Australian passport. And ask Brian Lara if the tail can bat.

On a hiding to nothing ? Sure.

But thats why they play the game on the field, not on paper.

Ian Whitchurch

Edited on, April 5, 2005, 5:58 PM GMT, by Sham.

Beamer
April 5, 2005, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by Rajputro

the home of some of the most relentlessly optimistic fans any team can wish to have


That is a great recognition for us. I do believe, ours is the best fan site of all cricket nations.

I agree 100%

Beamer
April 5, 2005, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by IanW
Sent this back to CricInfo ...

Bangladesh in England

Once Rafique steps off the plane, Ashley Giles will be the second-best slow left armer in England.

And thirty seconds later, when Enamul Haque Jr follows him, Ashley Giles will be the third best.

Three words about Ahmed Aftab ... Bob. Massie. Lords.

As for the quicks, Mashrafee is fit, and the young quick Shahadat is young, and he is quick. Baiysa will probably be the third seamer, and he's a poor man's Andy Bichel.

As far as the batting goes, if they can avoid the collapses, the talent is there. Bashar can bat, and Ashraful flogged the Indian bowling as if he had an Australian passport. And ask Brian Lara if the tail can bat.

On a hiding to nothing ? Sure.

But thats why they play the game on the field, not on paper.

Ian Whitchurch

Great response IanW. You might find yourself on the "quote"section.

I think the Brits will be surprised by our tail as well. They are a resilient bunch and I do hope against hope that they won't be called into service too often.

Cricket46
April 5, 2005, 11:20 AM
Well said IanW.

oracle
April 5, 2005, 11:26 AM
Yet again another beauty from Miller . And yet again a fine qoute by IanW.

I sent my feedback to cricinfo-hope others are doing that too.

couger
April 5, 2005, 11:52 AM
I found this to be an honest peice (and not very fattering to BD Cricket). I would much rather they give it to us straight rather than be condescending and unfairly harsh. Good job Miller.

RazabQ
April 5, 2005, 11:54 AM
yep. I gave andrew credit. And gave cricinfo credit, begrudginly. I actually used that word on the feedback email. Heh heh.

Ian, reading your posts always makes me feel better about the Tigers. Aftab channelling Massey might be a stretch tho :)

Locutus
April 5, 2005, 12:54 PM
Simply Awsome!

Sham
April 5, 2005, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by IanW


Three words about Ahmed Aftab ... Bob. Massie. Lords.

Edited on, April 5, 2005, 5:58 PM GMT, by Sham.

That was inspired! Hope you are right man. Wonder if Andrew still visits this site but I'm sure he will while the series is on!

ThE_NuR
April 5, 2005, 01:01 PM
Good words from Mr. Miller.

Lets just hope BD will not screw up once again.. the way they do after any success.

I believe we all hate to see some commentators making idiotic comments (which they r not suppose to) on BD gaming level. Lets not give'em the chance!

BD Tigers
April 5, 2005, 01:22 PM
Good article. I hope BD does something similar what Srlianka did 2 decades ago. Bloody English Nose...I like it. :great:

Zephaniah
April 5, 2005, 02:07 PM
PARTY POOPER!

England roll out red carpet for rivals
By Scyld Berry
(Filed: 03/04/2005)



England's longest ever domestic season, of more than five-and-a-half months, opens on Friday at Lord's in front of the refurbished pavilion. It is a four-day game between last season's county champions, Warwickshire, and a MCC side largely composed of England A players who were increasingly exposed in Sri Lanka last month.

It is reassuring that some things in cricket never change: yes, the England and Wales Cricket Board still haven't realised that the best way to prepare county players for the big time is by staging A Tests and internationals home and away.

In addition to being the longest season, it will be superlative in another sense: England's worst scheduled season ever.

Have you been thinking 'oh great, it's an Ashes summer'? Well, it's not. It is an Ashes late summer, with months of faffing around before the main action, like going to see a film but having first to sit through loads of ads and several shorts.

Now I'm not one of those traditionalists arguing that the Australians should dock at Tilbury in late April and spread five Tests over four months: those tours were probably too long in their day and age let alone ours.

But by packing the series into late summer, starting on July 21 and ending on Sept 12, the ECB have gone to the opposite extreme and come up with a schedule which suits nobody except satellite television.

They cannot be blamed for staging two Tests and three internationals against Bangladesh because it was an Asian-dominated ICC which demanded their participation. The two early-season Tests will be hopeless mis-matches. Bangladesh's batsmen have been inadequate on their own pitches where the ball doesn't move. When it is swinging and seaming at Lord's and Chester-le-Street they will struggle to make 150.

Zimbabwe, who in 2003 earned the title of being the weakest Test batting side ever to tour England, probably won't keep it for long.

By what right have the ECB scheduled the four-yearly climax of English cricket during the next football season, with the Oval Test due to finish later than any Test match in England before?

What right do they have to make the players finish the second Test in Birmingham on Monday Aug 8 and start the third on Thursday Aug 11 in Manchester? Andrew Flintoff broke down when England played back-to-back Tests against South Africa with only two days in between. But there was a commercial imperative to play in Durban on Boxing Day and in Cape Town on Jan 2.

This summer there is no such excuse.

What right do the ECB have to turn upside down the traditional Ashes season to the extent that at the height of summer England will be playing the NatWest one-day series against Australia and Bangladesh and then, less than a week later, another series of three one-day internationals against Australia for the NatWest Challenge? When England were persuaded (with some justification) that they had to play 10 home internationals per summer to catch up with the rest of the one-day world, the ECB declared that England would have different opponents in the NatWest Challenge, but that has gone out of the window. Why vary the diet when you can pack in seven one-dayers against Australia?

The reason why our traditional Ashes summer has been mutilated is so that Sky can fill the football off-season with loads of one-day cricket, and the ECB - the first-class counties in all but name - have just been happy to take the money. The one point to be made for the next TV deal, aside from the money, is that starting next summer we just might have a balanced fixture list back.

The ECB have also made sure that any realistic chance of England regaining the Ashes has also gone out of the window, if the last hundred years of history is anything to go by.

Since 1905 England have regained the Ashes in England on four occasions - twice in one set of circumstances, twice in another.

In 1977 and 1985 England regained the Ashes when the Australians were divided against themselves and contributed to their own defeat (on the first occasion most of their players were busy signing for Kerry Packer's World Series, on the second some of them had gone on a rebel tour of apartheid South Africa). There is a slight chance that history will repeat itself in that the Australian players are still in dispute with their board over having their 25 per cent share of the overall revenue cut.

The only two occasions in the last hundred years when England have regained the Ashes here from an undivided Australia were in 1926 and 1953 in astonishingly similar circumstances. Both were very wet summers which allowed England to play dogged and defensive rearguard actions and draw the first four Tests. In the fifth at the Oval, both series were won when England's finger-spinners used a turning pitch to exploit the inexperience of Australia's batsmen in these conditions.

No catering for the weather of course, but the ECB have made sure there cannot be a repeat of this scenario. Australia's batsmen are experienced in Test cricket, which the ECB can do nothing about. But they are also experienced in English conditions, which the ECB - in the shape of the first-class counties - could have done something about, but haven't.

The accompanying table shows how English cricket has opened its gates and invited the Trojan horse within its walls. Not just a single horse either. Hampshire on their own last season invited just about the entire Trojan cavalry inside when they accommodated Shane Warne, Simon Katich, Michael Clarke and Shane Watson, who could be selected for the final place in the Australian Test party on Monday ahead of Nathan Bracken or Shaun Tait.

True, these Australians cricketers have given in return. Michael Vaughan says he learnt more about running between wickets from Darren Lehmann at Yorkshire than from anybody else. Andrew Strauss modelled his technique on Justin Langer's when he was at Middlesex, so it has not been one-way traffic. But overall Australia have benefited far more from this arrangement than England have done.

Someone very close to the England side was incandescent last winter at Somerset's proposition to Ricky Ponting to play a few more games for them this season before the Australians arrive. Mercifully, Ponting was too busy to take up the offer.

Why else was Ponting himself saying last week that Brett Lee would benefit from some county cricket ahead of the Ashes? Look at it with fresh eyes. Would England be more likely to win in India this winter if most of their players had experienced a season or two of domestic cricket there? There can only be one answer. Or would Bangladesh do better in England this summer if some of their players had played county cricket?

The accompanying table illustrates how much experience the Trojan horses have gained in England - and merely in championship matches, quite aside from one-day county cricket. Experience not only in their first-choice discipline: when Shane Warne and Mike Kasprowicz keep Adam Gilchrist efficient company this summer and take Australia's total past 500, they will be benefiting from their batting practice in county cricket.

No wonder the Australians will play only one first-class match before the Ashes. All of them except Gilchrist and Jason Gillespie have been made to feel at home already.

There is no way England can regain the Ashes if there is no official will for them to do so. Sure, the ECB in the form of the counties want England to do passably well in world cricket. Otherwise they won't get a TV deal which pays the counties' bills.

But the ambition to defeat Australia?

Why, if there is one, let the ECB rip up their old constitution and write into the new one that every single decision should be taken with the objective of making England number one.

New Zealand have done exactly that, albeit they don't have the playing resources to fulfil that ambition.

What we have at present is not madness, although it may seem so. It is a deliberate plan which enables the counties to prosper at England's expense this summer.

Source : Telegraph

Sham
April 5, 2005, 07:26 PM
He is right though. It is an awfully scheduled summer! They should have done it the other way round. Have the Aussies in early summer and play them when its wet. The Aussies wouldn't be able to play their natural aggressive cricket and England could try to edge them out with some dogged batting. And then, they could have played us late in the summer when its dry and sunny to make it a more evenly matched series. I guess they figured no one would be up to playing once the Ashes was over. The intensity would go completely, while atleast before the Ashes, the players will have something to work up to. And the three Eng-Aus one dayers, what are those all about? Totally unecessary! They have packed the Ashes into too short a time, and the fitter team will last out, which is likely to be Australia as by the time the fourth and fifth Test come on, England would have played a couple of Tests more this summer than the Aussies! This really is the problem of sports trying to accomodate tv networks. Great for revenue, terrible for cricket itself!

oracle
April 5, 2005, 07:36 PM
No wonder the Australians will play only one first-class match before the Ashes. All of them except Gilchrist and Jason Gillespie have been made to feel at home already.


home advantage , huh!

I vaguely recollect using that argument somewhere? anyway, when it comes from Englishmen -it sounds like complaining , specifically typical Brit pre-Ashes nagging.

when it comes to BD case- BD needs it and deserve it

Edited on, April 6, 2005, 12:37 AM GMT, by oracle.

Sham
April 5, 2005, 07:52 PM
They are gonna put up every argument they can think of to cover themselves. Basically, before the series starts, they are gonna make it out as if winning the series for England will be a miracle given all the odds against them. Then, when they lose, they'll say, we told you so. However, if they win, I really doubt it although being and England fan I hope I get to see it in my lifetime, they will make it out as if England has just conquered Mars!

RazabQ
April 5, 2005, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by Sham
.... although being and England fan I hope I get to see it in my lifetime, ...

So, Sham, how do you do on the infmaous Test match rule of British citizenship? :)

Akib
April 5, 2005, 09:24 PM
The article about englans schedule is very right. If only we played england after ashes when they are beaten and bruised.
(if that happens) and also the pitches will be different.

:bravo: to Miller for his article.

Sham
April 6, 2005, 03:27 AM
Originally posted by razabq
Originally posted by Sham
.... although being and England fan I hope I get to see it in my lifetime, ...

So, Sham, how do you do on the infmaous Test match rule of British citizenship? :)

Haha! I take it you are talking of the Tebbit 'test.' For those not familiar with it, quite a few years ago, Lord Tebbit, who was disheartened by the fact that British Asians would support their country of origin (India, Pakistan) against their adopted country (England), suggested that you could only be called British if you supported England in cricket (and other sports) against your country of origin. Soon after, British Indians turned up at an England-India Test Match holding placards saying "WE FAIL THE TEBBIT TEST."

Anyway, going back to your question, although I am a British citizen because of my father who lived here for many years when he was young, I don't consider myself to be anything other than Bangladeshi, having been born and brought up there. So, how do I do on the Tebbit test? I don't think I even score a point. However, I do want England to win against the Aussies though!

bdmoderator
April 6, 2005, 03:49 AM
Good to see BanglaCricket.com name in the CricInfo.com.

Andrewwisden
April 7, 2005, 08:33 AM
Thanks to all of you who sent feedback. Always nice to know if I'm on the right track (and equally, if I'm not!)

deshibhai
April 7, 2005, 10:18 AM
we need more press about how Bangladesh is going to lose and lose big. one of the reasons why our australian tour was widely considered a success is because some dude (i forget his name) predicted that we would lose within two days. once that becomes the widespread ex-ante expectation, once expectations are lowered so much, even an average drubbing becomes acceptable. so, i say, lower expectations as much as possible.

IanW
April 9, 2005, 04:44 AM
This is what Andrew Miller sent back to me as a reply ... he's OKd me posting it here.

****

I certainly do not dispute the talent in Bangladesh's ranks - in fact I
was in Dhaka in 2003 when Mohammad Rafique and Enamul Haque gave England
some problems on their last tour. I am assured by my friends in
Bangladesh that Shadahat is decidedly swift, and I saw for myself what a
talent Mashrafee is.

That is why the timing of this tour is all the more disappointing.
Bangladesh's strengths will be compromised by the weather, the wickets,
the hype surrounding the impending Ashes ... everything is conspiring to
take the gloss off an occasion that could have been handled better.
Throwing Bangladesh in at the deep end is all very well, but throwing
them to the wolves is a tad unnecessary!

My major gripe, however, doesn't surround the Tests, but the one-day
internationals. There is simply nothing to be gained from a triangular
competition in which the two finalists are pre-ordained. Even if
Bangladesh achieved the unthinkable and won one of their six matches, it
wouldn't be enough for a place in the final. They ought instead to have
been offered a three-match series against England, and another, stronger
team - such as Pakistan - should have been drafted in for the
triangulars.

As for playing the game on the field, not on paper, I wholeheartedly
agree, and wish I was talented enough to put my money where my mouth is!
But then again, it is the select few who earn that privilege. The rest
of us can but sit back and watch - and I can't be alone in wishing that
the itinerary was less of a turn-off.

Sham
April 9, 2005, 04:50 AM
Originally posted by IanW
This is what Andrew Miller sent back to me as a reply ... he's OKd me posting it here.

****



That is why the timing of this tour is all the more disappointing.
Bangladesh's strengths will be compromised by the weather, the wickets,
the hype surrounding the impending Ashes ... everything is conspiring to
take the gloss off an occasion that could have been handled better.
Throwing Bangladesh in at the deep end is all very well, but throwing
them to the wolves is a tad unnecessary!



Too right! As if playing in England for the first time isn't challenging enough, they have given us the worst possible time slot, early summer, and are making us lead up to the most important series for English cricket, the Ashes!

RazabQ
April 9, 2005, 11:37 AM
furthermore, you would think they would want the Aussies to be the team struggling with the conditions ... I rarely ever agree with the Telegraph, but on this one topic, I concur with their views :)

mwrkhan
April 9, 2005, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by razabq
furthermore, you would think they would want the Aussies to be the team struggling with the conditions ... I rarely ever agree with the Telegraph, but on this one topic, I concur with their views :)

What? Dissing my favourite newspaper!! Anyway, I always thought that Lord Tebbit had a point. Why should second or third generation sub-continentals owe their allegiance to any country other than England?

I hope England regains the Ashes too, but I doubt it. It is astonishing that a host country can set up such an accomodating itinerary for their opponents.

RazabQ
April 9, 2005, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by mwrkhan
Anyway, I always thought that Lord Tebbit had a point. Why should second or third generation sub-continentals owe their allegiance to any country other than England?

I refer you to Imran Khan's effective retor to the Tebbit argument, rather than comment myself.

So we are to assume that you will be waving the Union Jack and cheering for England in the coming series against Bangladesh? :)

mwrkhan
April 9, 2005, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by razabq
Originally posted by mwrkhan
Anyway, I always thought that Lord Tebbit had a point. Why should second or third generation sub-continentals owe their allegiance to any country other than England?

I refer you to Imran Khan's effective retor to the Tebbit argument, rather than comment myself.

So we are to assume that you will be waving the Union Jack and cheering for England in the coming series against Bangladesh? :)

Whatever makes you say that? I will certainly be waving the Union Jack and cheering for England against Australia, but I am not a second or third generation British born desi so my support for BD is quite intact thank you.

RazabQ
April 9, 2005, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by mwrkhan
Originally posted by razabq
Originally posted by mwrkhan
Anyway, I always thought that Lord Tebbit had a point. Why should second or third generation sub-continentals owe their allegiance to any country other than England?

So we are to assume that you will be waving the Union Jack and cheering for England in the coming series against Bangladesh? :)

Whatever makes you say that? I will certainly be waving the Union Jack and cheering for England against Australia, but I am not a second or third generation British born desi so my support for BD is quite intact thank you.

I was being somewhat tongue in cheek there :) Anyway, and this discussion should probably go to the forget cricket forum at this point .. so I'll post there ...

TigerFan
April 9, 2005, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by Sham
Too right! As if playing in England for the first time isn't challenging enough, they have given us the worst possible time slot, early summer, and are making us lead up to the most important series for English cricket, the Ashes!

Guys, guys, remember, when england came to bangladesh last time, it was raining most of the time. They had to play on the slippary field too in our country. So, they're doing the same now. What we gave, we're getting back too. Anyway, in my opinion, bangladesh pure shona (Gold) hoche, the more we burn, the sooner we get better. Bangladeshi players has to, I say, has to take this series like anyother series, because if they don't, they'll unnessesarily be under extra pressure, and they should give 200% Insh Allah. Slippary should not be a problem to us, because we are the children of rivers and rain. We grew up in water. So no fear! Thanks Andrew by the way.

dukha
April 9, 2005, 09:17 PM
It's mentioned as "Hoggard" is a biggest Nightmare i suggest How about "Andrew Staruss" ? He could be the other big one too ......... lol .......

Edited on, April 10, 2005, 2:18 AM GMT, by dukha.

RazabQ
April 9, 2005, 09:34 PM
dukha you've got a point there. however you have to cocede that batting is now our weak suite ...