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Rob
April 19, 2005, 05:47 PM
They will have to perform agaisnt England if Bangldesh are to compete I reckon.

Trescothick, Vaughan and Thorpe are three of the finest players of spin in the world, Thorpe in particular. (His struggles againt Graeme Smith were very odd, he plays Murali, Warne, Kumble etc.. very well).

If your spinners get smashed, Bangladesh get smashed also as a result.

Your comments...

Akib
April 19, 2005, 05:49 PM
Well i think it is BD's pace bowlers that will be the key. We should be playing on green tops with lots of swing. I'm not sure if spinners will be effective. We need Mortaza, Tapash and any other pace bowler of ours to succed.

Rubu
April 19, 2005, 06:14 PM
i dont think either that bd spinners will be the key. the reason is england pitch. in fact i'll not be very surprised if bd goes with only one spcialist spinner (rafique) and uses the parttimers (rajin, ashraful) if needed. only rafique has the ability to do good without the assistance of the pitch.

i think our key factor will be mashrafee.
hope bashar does not over use him!

i know bd pacers has not done anything yet to be counted. but things are a bit different now. not only that we do not have any injury problem after a long long time, we have new bloods coming in who will go those extra miles to prove their necessity. taposh is best at keeping one end very tight to create pressure on the batsman whereas mashrafee is good to pick up wickets. thats why these two will make a good pair. does not matter who the third pacer is (i believe either nazmul or shahadat) will try their best to keep the position. so, yeah, it gonna be a decent pace attack (the best bd ever had).

its our batsman who is the real thing. everything depends on them. if they fails misarably, we might end the test in 3 and half days. and if they can do good, we can give some people heart attack.

Akib
April 19, 2005, 06:15 PM
Ya... like the one Lara got after the first test.... LOL

Rob
April 19, 2005, 06:35 PM
That 1st test agianst the Windies was one of the biggest examples of complacency I have ever seen. Rafiques no mug with the bat, but you shouldn't have number 9's make hundreds against you, it was a damn good innings though.

Your best batsman is Bashar, you 2nd best is Ashraful and 3rd best Saleh. Them three must make runs, if they fail, as said earlier you will be anialated.

Your tail though is a well known pain in the arse for opponents, England must be aware of this and be patient and bowl professional, not with impatience.

couger
April 19, 2005, 06:47 PM
I agree with Aka and agentsmith, it'll have to be the pacers. And I reckon Bangladeshi pacers will turn a head or two.

Rubayed
April 19, 2005, 06:51 PM
Considering the kind of pitch we will be playing and the time we will be playing its better for BD to go with 4 seamers and a spinner. I disagree with Rob, i dont think its our spinners who can do the job, if it has to be done then it has to be done by our seamers not the spinners.

couger
April 19, 2005, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by rob22888
Trescothick, Vaughan and Thorpe are three of the finest players of spin in the world, Thorpe in particular. (His struggles againt Graeme Smith were very odd, he plays Murali, Warne, Kumble etc.. very well)


These aren't left arm spinners. Also can't agree with your assertion of Tres, Vaughn and Thorpe being the finest players of spin, far from it. I'd be interested to know if you could back this by any stats.

Sham
April 19, 2005, 07:12 PM
Yeah, Thorpe I definitely agree with. He is one of the most under-rated batsmen in the world. Easily one of the best in my opinion, his average doesn't do him justice. But Trescothick and Vaughan, while better at playing spin than the other English batsmen, are nothing to write home about!

In any case, I agree with all those who have said that our seamers will be the key. If they can use the new ball well, they will surprise some people in England. We have talked about the need for one or two of our players to impress enough to get a county contract or two. I seriously think that the only person who realistically has a chance of doing that is Mashrafe, and perhaps one of the other seamers if they really do well!

IanW
April 19, 2005, 08:23 PM
Rubayed,

If three seamers cant get the job done, then four wont.

Play your best bowlers - and that means Masrafee, Shahadat/Baisya, Rafique and Haque, with Aftab providing slow-medium support.

Ian Whitchurch

Special 1
April 19, 2005, 10:02 PM
SPinners will be Bangladesh's only hope. The English players are masters of their own domain, esp vaughn, Strauss and Trescothik. Mashrafe and Talha are good bowlers, but I doubt they will be able to make much of an impact. However, Rafique and Haq may ask a few questions, as they did during Englands visit to Bangladesh. Also, it is very important for the batsmen not to embaress ourselves like always. I still dont understand why they cant run singles. And Habibul and Rana should not be in the slips by any means.

Spitfire_x86
April 19, 2005, 10:41 PM
Our batsmen must back our bowlers with a decent score. Otherwise all efforts by our spinners or pacers will become ultimately useless.

Rubu
April 19, 2005, 10:44 PM
Edited on, April 20, 2005, 3:45 AM GMT, by AgentSmith.

Beamer
April 19, 2005, 10:51 PM
Yes, indeed, habibul and rana should not be in the slips. There will be catches coming in the slips, specially in English seaming conditions, and we must capitalize on any and every chances that come our way. I am not sure how much emphasis is given in this particular area. Every team has specialized slip fielders in their team. We must produce better slip fielders than Habibul and Rana from within. Let-offs can be extremely demoralizing for a bowler. Sadly, only decent slip fielder we had was Hannan and we all know that he has shut the door on himself . I suggest , we groom two or three specialist batsmen, like Ash, Aftab and Rajin, to be our slip catchers for the future. Good specialist batsmen also tend to be good slip fielders as well because they tend to have better reflexes. There are exceptions however, like Shane Warne, but we should try and groom some of our young batsmen for that position.

Zobair
April 19, 2005, 10:54 PM
One person whose close catching, and slip catching in particular, really impressed me during the India and Zimbabwe tour is Mashrafe! Great reflexes...since he has even doubled up as a keeper he won't be too bad in the slips.

TigerFan
April 19, 2005, 11:00 PM
in a same tune of yours rob, we'll damnly kick eng. bu** with rafiq and others.

capslock
April 19, 2005, 11:18 PM
What's great about having Taposh and Masri as our specialists bowlers is that they can hold their own with the bat as well, almost to the point where they can be called all-rounders (although not quite). So in a way, we avoid the going all specialists vs. keeping all-rounders dilemma by picking three specialist pacers as long as Masri and Taposh are included.

cricketboy
April 19, 2005, 11:19 PM
Rafique will be the key even on green tops. :-/

rafiq
April 19, 2005, 11:50 PM
i don't see how we can take both rafique and enamul together, which is a shame....speaking of spin, when will england get a decent spinner - aren't there any asian kids over there who can spin?

say
April 20, 2005, 12:26 AM
Its hard to produce spinners in the English pitches.

Shehwar
April 20, 2005, 01:26 AM
I actually feel that we shud play to our strength irrespective of the conditions and shud go in with the two SLAs along with Tapash and Masri......The awesome foursome can be quite effective in english *** kicking BD style !...cheers.....

Rubayed
April 20, 2005, 03:15 AM
Originally posted by IanW
Rubayed,

If three seamers cant get the job done, then four wont.

Play your best bowlers - and that means Masrafee, Shahadat/Baisya, Rafique and Haque, with Aftab providing slow-medium support.

Ian Whitchurch

U r right! It makes sense! I agree with u!!

IanW
April 20, 2005, 03:32 AM
Originally posted by say
Its hard to produce spinners in the English pitches.

Yeah, Underwood, he was just there to make up the numbers.

Embury and Edmonds ... never a threat.

Laker ... just a name.

And Locke ... didnt he play for Birmingham City ?

Ian Whitchurch

AsifTheManRahman
April 20, 2005, 09:00 AM
i dont trust aftab to carry the responsibilities of the third seamer. although i'd like him to prove me wrong, i'd think twice before playing two spinners. i'd like to try shahadat out in the practice matches, and if he fares well, get him into the test team. i'd also keep my eye on chacha in the practice matches.

however, one guy who can really give the english batters a scare would be mashrafe - if he's at his usual.

Rubu
April 20, 2005, 09:46 AM
aftab should be the 4th seamer not third.

Locutus
April 21, 2005, 01:15 PM
Mashri and Tapash are going to shine! Raifq and Enam will just give some different look to the oppostion batsman but won't be very effective to the English condition. Thats why I think that there should one (Rafique or Enamul) genuin spinner for BD. Ashraful will be a help as the second spinner. Instead of two spinner Bangadesh should add a pacer or a allround which is hard for BD.
The bowlers that I would choose: Mashrafee, Tapash, Shahadat, Rafique and Anwar.

AsifTheManRahman
April 21, 2005, 01:36 PM
any reason behind picking anwar over talha? i'm assuming you know something that most of us don't. :)

Ahmed_B
April 21, 2005, 01:46 PM
This Series will probably be the Best Test for our Seamers..

Reason 1: They will get great Seaming conditions... which they rarely get in the subcontinent.

Reason 2: High expectations will be upon them... and for the team's success.. they will have to play keyrole!

It will just be a test of how much Pace-Strength Bangladesh has!!

Locutus
April 21, 2005, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
any reason behind picking anwar over talha? i'm assuming you know something that most of us don't. :)
I think Anwar is a better quality bowler than Talha. His line, lenth and variation is better than Talha at this time.

Zephaniah
April 21, 2005, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by Logen
Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
any reason behind picking anwar over talha? i'm assuming you know something that most of us don't. :)
I think Anwar is a better quality bowler than Talha. His line, lenth and variation is better than Talha at this time.

I think it may work like this in terms of selecting pace bowlers in test matches.....

Mashrafee Mortaza - Obvious choice unless injured.

Tapash or Anwar - Both can compliment Mashrafee if one of them happen to pair up with him. Line & lengh bowler, possibly can swing not express.

Shahadat or Talha - Bowling fast is the name of the game. But they should be instructed to bowl in line and length.

And then 'batsman' Aftab who surely would bowl good few spells here and there.

cricket_pagla
April 23, 2005, 05:46 AM
Where's Nazmul?..

little_master
April 23, 2005, 10:08 AM
Nazmul is not in the test team.
But he is in the ODI team.
Leave for England later with Chacca, Tushar Imran and Rana.

FaltuRidwanBhai
April 26, 2005, 12:53 AM
jaihok,
ami amar kintu mone hoi je nazmul ke test dole newa uchit chilo. well one of the only valid reasons why the selectors might not have included him in the test team is that they probably wanted to keep one good quality seam boler fresh for the ODI series. other than that there should be no reason why he was chosen over anwar. many people are saying good stuff about this guy. but as far as i saw him he is just a practice match player. he can get 5 wickets in the practice match. but thats the maximum he usually goes. he might have changed. who knows. well if you look at shantos performance in the league then u wil see that he is one of the leading wicket takers in the league but we all know how much ability he has know. so anwar probably have taken a lot of wickets in the league but i dont think that is a good way to determine that he will be successful in england.