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Shehwar
April 21, 2005, 11:38 AM
Nightmare Start for West Indies ! 60/3 now......

AsifTheManRahman
April 21, 2005, 11:46 AM
yes, lara and chanderpaul are doing well. they were 12/3 at one time.

Tintin
April 21, 2005, 02:43 PM
Aaaaaaargh ! Lara hits another hundred.

AsifTheManRahman
April 21, 2005, 02:44 PM
and this time it wasn't selfish, but rather a WI butt saving one.

Beamer
April 21, 2005, 02:52 PM
He is priceless. Long live the prince. How easily he scores his runs!

Spitfire_x86
April 21, 2005, 02:53 PM
Lara's centuries always saved WI, there's no "selfish" century.

reverse_swing
April 21, 2005, 03:49 PM
Another imperious display by great Lara. Selfish century? lol.
When? Where? Against whom?

Tintin
April 21, 2005, 03:55 PM
Lara has a huge ego. He does the best when his pride is hurt.

153* now.

Akib
April 21, 2005, 03:56 PM
:bravo: to Lara for another century. I wonder if he can get a double century this time...

mwrkhan
April 21, 2005, 03:59 PM
I have said this time and time again. For the past few years the entire batting fortunes of the Windies have rested on Lara. How many similar innings has our "better than Bradman" Tendulkar played?

AsifTheManRahman
April 21, 2005, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by reverse_swing
Another imperious display by great Lara. Selfish century? lol.
When? Where? Against whom?

hehe...many occassions...it's just that the WI batting is so brittle that they let him get away with it :)

but i agree that they're hopeless without him...he does save them more often than not.

cricket_pagol
April 21, 2005, 05:00 PM
I don't think there is any cricketer who can entertain their fans like Lara. It's remarkable that he has played so many classy inngings when the chips were down. I wish i could see him bat!!!! Remembering his 153* against Australia still makes me very excited.

I will refrain from getting into the debate whether his centuries are selfish or for the team because it is pointless. Lets enjoy lara's cricket for what it is!

Spitfire_x86
April 21, 2005, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by mwrkhan
I have said this time and time again. For the past few years the entire batting fortunes of the Windies have rested on Lara. How many similar innings has our "better than Bradman" Tendulkar played?
Tendulkar was at his peak in 1998. From 1999, it has been a slow downhill journey for him. Lara was always Lara, and in last few years he has been consistently at his best.

Tendulkar is more perfect batsman, but Lara is very unique. He's shaky at start and takes too much risks compared to Tendulkar. But when he gets going, he seems to be virtually unstoppable.

Tintin
April 21, 2005, 05:08 PM
And Lara at his best is a much better batsman what Tendulkar was at his best. No question about that.

Edited on, April 21, 2005, 10:08 PM GMT, by Tintin.

Akib
April 21, 2005, 06:13 PM
Well now lets get back to the match. At stumps on the first day WI have gone to 292 for 7 with Lara's 176. This is good considering WI were at 12 for 3. Nel took 3 wickets including the prized wicket of Lara late in the day.

Arnab
April 21, 2005, 08:00 PM
AsifTMR, you are starting to tick me off with your stupid anti-Laraism. :)

Arnab
April 21, 2005, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by mwrkhan
I have said this time and time again. For the past few years the entire batting fortunes of the Windies have rested on Lara. How many similar innings has our "better than Bradman" Tendulkar played?

If you look at all the records, it's Lara who has come closer to emulate the feats of Bradman.

Lara cannot be compared with Bradman. Their playing style is totally different. Nobody else plays like Lara. Maybe some other left-handed batsman in the future can be compared with Lara.

Akib
April 21, 2005, 09:11 PM
Also nobody compares to Bradman.

Currently i think Lara is the top batsman in recent form... Although i like Tendulkar better, Lara is ahead unless Tendulkar can get some more centuries.

Arnab
April 21, 2005, 09:27 PM
The problem with Lara's style of play is that it is not quite "instructionable".

Sachin's style is "instructionable". Sachin's batting is like a lego set, with different modules and upgrades.

Shehwar
April 22, 2005, 01:54 AM
West Indies seem to be in an uncomfortable position after the first day unless they can stretch that score to something in the region of 350 and beyond..cheers....

islam
April 22, 2005, 02:47 AM
Lara is much better than tendulkar simply beacuse tendulkar has support (dravid, laxman, ganguly, ect) Lara has no support except for the odd 1/2 century by canderpaul. If lara played in the 70's or 80's WI team his stats would be more impressive than that of his peers.

Also look at lara's N.o's he has a very few number of no.s conpaird to other players thus draging his average down-mainly beacuse of lack of support form the other end.

He is without a doubt the best player in the last 2 decades, but wheter hes better than some of the greats from the 60'sor 70's or even from the 30's 40's is up for debate as the game was played very differently back then.

bangla_amar
April 22, 2005, 08:02 AM
Anybody who have seen that match winning 153* not out against Australia live ball by ball in 1999 should not have any doubt who is the greatest batsman of mdern era!

Spitfire_x86
April 22, 2005, 11:06 AM
Maybe Habibul Bashar carried "bangla collapse" virus with him in WI. From 292/6 at the end of first day, they're allout for 296!

AsifTheManRahman
April 22, 2005, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by Arnab
AsifTMR, you are starting to tick me off with your stupid anti-Laraism. :)

:lol:

no, i don't hate him and i'm not against him. i truly believe that he could give tendulkar a run for his money any day if you set them up on two ends of a balance. :)

bangla_amar
April 22, 2005, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by Spitfire_x86
Maybe Habibul Bashar carried "bangla collapse" virus with him in WI. From 292/6 at the end of first day, they're allout for 296!

It is pure and authentic Callyso Collapso. Much more dead and dangerous than Bangla Collapse. Man! I am sick of this windies team!

Akib
April 22, 2005, 03:06 PM
Well we are over 2 thirds of the way through the second day with around 25 overs left to play. SA are destroying WI as SA reach 176 for 0 with Smith currently and 94 and de Villers at 76. Earlier in the day WI lost their last 3 wickets for 4 runs. So far it looks like SA are certainly in control.

bangla_amar
April 22, 2005, 03:28 PM
My Granny bowls better than this windies bowlers!:E

Spitfire_x86
April 22, 2005, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by bangla_amar
My Granny bowls better than this windies bowlers!:E
I will "suparish" for your Granny at the next selection meeting of WI team ;)

Akib
April 22, 2005, 03:41 PM
LOL

Well WI finally get their first wicket, Smith for 104. De Villers is closing in on his hundred though.

Arnab
April 22, 2005, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by bangla_amar
Anybody who have seen that match winning 153* not out against Australia live ball by ball in 1999 should not have any doubt who is the greatest batsman of mdern era!

I followed it ball by ball on cricinfo in my room with lights turned off because I was banned from watching tv after midnight with the BUET admissions test only a week away.

The loss of sleep, precious study hours and my body-clock-rhytm was totally worth it.

Akib
April 22, 2005, 04:49 PM
Well the second day of the test match is over. SA are currently at 253 for 1 only 43 runs behind WI score. De Villers is still not out at 122. The only wicket that fell was of Smith for 104 by Gayle.

Shehwar
April 23, 2005, 01:47 AM
I was looking forward to a better show from the Windies...Hope they can turn it around on the third day.....If they can lose 5 wickets for 6 runs!!..so can SA!!...(Wishful thinking..eh?)......

Akib
April 23, 2005, 11:11 AM
Well it is lunch on the third day and SA continue to dominate the WI bowlers.

WI got their second wicket of this innings as Dippenaar was run out for 71 ending a brilliant 143 run partnership. On the feild now for SA is de Villiers at 155 not out (now his highest test score) and Kallis who is at 0.

Akib
April 23, 2005, 01:12 PM
Well de Villiers has finally fallen for 178. SA are now at 392 for 3.

chyicarus
April 23, 2005, 03:13 PM
hairey- you guys are in BUET and still have kurfews and other rules!!! wow!!! grow up- thats what i would say


[Arnab says: Ugh! looks like I have abused my power and deleted half your post accidentally. Should have hit the quote button instead of edit button. I am going to flog myself. This is the third time this has happened.]

Edited on, April 23, 2005, 8:20 PM GMT, by Arnab.

Arnab
April 23, 2005, 03:18 PM
hairey- you guys are in BUET and still have kurfews and other rules!!! wow!!! grow up- thats what i would say!

I think you are confused. That was my personal experience at my home 5 days before I took the BUET admin test, not a BUET related experience.

Akib
April 23, 2005, 05:18 PM
At stumps on the third day SA stand currently at 521 for 8 with Boje and Ntini on. SA has a lead of 225. WI's best bowler has been Gayle with a 3 for 85.

For SA the major scorers were the top 4. Smith with 104. De Villiers with 178. Dippenaar with 71 and Kallis with 78..

SA are currently in total control of this match.

Akib
April 24, 2005, 10:20 AM
Well SA has finally declared 548 for 9 on the fourth day.

WI start horribly... Ntini strikes.... twice and gets Gayle and Sarwan out as WI are stuggling at 17 for 2 still 235 runs behind.

Akib
April 24, 2005, 10:30 AM
Nel strikes and WI are now at 17 for 3 with the current captain, Chanderpaul and former captain Lara on.

Spitfire_x86
April 24, 2005, 01:57 PM
WI 119/7 at Tea Break

Lara couldn't save this bunch of losers this time.

mwrkhan
April 24, 2005, 02:03 PM
So sad to see the "invincible" team of my youth turn into such a pathetic outfit.

Akib
April 24, 2005, 02:55 PM
Well the match is basically over with WI at 166 for 9 still 86 runs behind. Browne is at 68 and King at 3. Nel has a 5 wicket haul.

Arnab
April 24, 2005, 03:02 PM
I hope this resolves the mystery of the negative effect of Lara's captaincy on the Windies team.

Time to come up with a new excuse: it's the very presence of Lara that makes Windies lose.

Akib
April 24, 2005, 03:03 PM
Well right after I typed the previous post the match was over.

SA totally destroyed WI and won by innings and 86 runs. Andre Nel who took a career best 6 for 32 and 10 wickets in the match was Man of the Match.

Edited on, April 24, 2005, 9:07 PM GMT, by aka.

Xavier
April 24, 2005, 03:46 PM
I think it is a sad thing for cricket to see two times world cup winners West Indies losing a test match by innings as a host side, but they have shown useless bowling and poor batting.... they only went good in the first test, when Lara was absent:umm:

Arnab
April 24, 2005, 03:53 PM
I don't think losing by an innings as a host is anything new to this WI side. This has happened many times in the recent past.

And Sarwan and Gayle were also absent in the first test.

Edited on, April 24, 2005, 8:54 PM GMT, by Arnab.

Xavier
April 24, 2005, 04:15 PM
I have searched on cricinfo on recent tours by Australia, England and India in the West Indies on 2003 and 2004 and I didn't find losing by innings... tomorrow I'll check better.

Akib
April 24, 2005, 04:31 PM
They did have a draw against BD. Too them it must have felt like an innings defeat.

Arnab
April 24, 2005, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by Xavier
I have searched on cricinfo on recent tours by Australia, England and India in the West Indies on 2003 and 2004 and I didn't find losing by innings... tomorrow I'll check better.

You are prolly right. They have lost by 9 wickets or 150+ runs a LOT, but not an innings defeat. But I don't think an innings defeat at home is that low of a thing, given how low they have already gone.

islam
April 25, 2005, 02:52 AM
'Time to come up with a new excuse: it's the very presence of Lara that makes Windies lose'.

Lara makes 1/2 their runs, the WI lose because they have no test match standard players in their team excpet for lara, canderpaul and brown (good keeper)-maybe Bravo (great catches).

Daddy_Mac
April 25, 2005, 03:56 AM
I think West Indies is lacking in quality players...
And Its not possible for one man to drag a team to a series and match wins...esp when he is doing for years after years.....I think there are some talented players in todays WE but they are not consistant...
I think its time to stop depending on the best player on the world....
Think again world......