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Originally Posted by smashyboy
Every single team was able to earn draws. They were not beaten black and blue for 10 years. Not a single team in history. NZ managed lot of draws. Just look at the record for
"Most consecutive test losses" and "Most consecutive ODI losses". You will see BD proudly holding both records.
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you've opened your mouth. again.
i gave you free pass the first time, but now you gotta swallow what i give you to swallow.
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They were not beaten black and blue for 10 years.
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so you are saying that NZ and india played competitive cricket in their early years? is that right?
please read on:
Typical Anti-BD Propoganda Refuted
so the argument used is that though India took 20 years or whatever to win their first test, they drew many more matches than Bangladesh.
Premise: drawn matches are a show of competitiveness.
Reality: not necessarily. a team can play very competitive cricket and lose, and get hammered and still draw. examples are numerous. Bangladesh has so far played tests against Pakistan (multan), Australia (fatullah), South Africa (mirpur), and New Zealand (chittagong) in which they lost, but played quite competitively. the margins of defeat were not unusual as they were by 1 wicket, 3 wickets, 5 wickets, and 3 wickets respectively. in contrast the draw match against the West Indies (st lucia) was a match were West Indies were dominated, yet they did not lose. being able to play worse and not lose is a quirk of test cricket alone. so there are at least 5 matches were did quite well (first innings leads in all).
so lets look at the indian record.
India played their first 31 Tests from 1932 to 1952. India won 2 of those tests, drew 13, and lost 16. the 2 wins both came in the last year.
so India was winless in its first 19 years of test cricket.
now, the argument is that india drew 13 tests and was thus competitive.
now lets bear in mind that although bangladesh have only 1 real draw in their first 55 or so tests, they've played 5 total competitive matches, with 4 of them being LOSSES.
now lets look at those 13 indian drawn tests:
these are the aproximate first innings margins of those 13 tests. the first innings margin is a good indicator of whether a match is close or not.
-156 runs
-369
-124
N/A because opposition declared losing only 3 wickets (i think)
+70
-180
-350
-80
-90
+220
+30
+2
-230
average first innings margin = (-) 105 runs aproximately.
reality: bangladesh's 4 lost tests above, were FAR closer than these drawn tests. the idea that simply by drawing a test, it means the match was competitive is absolutely not true.
now, of these 13 draws, 5 were played overseas and 8 were drawn in the safe confines of home soil. its fair to assume india benefited from home umpiring, a benefit not extended to bangladesh. additionally, india can remove annoying umpires like steve bucknor with a wave of a hand. bangladesh gets umpires like peter parker, bucknor, and ashoka de silva in at least 50% of our tests. for a weak team like us, a bad umpiring decision hurts more than it does to india.
further, India's average first innings margin in drawn tests overseas was a whopping (-) 163 runs. even in home tests, the average was (-) 75 runs after the first innings. also bear in mind, the margins would be bigger because often the opposition declared early whereas India was usually all out.
India's batting average in those first 20 years was 26, compared with bangladesh's 20.45.
the 16 Indian defeats:
smallest margins of defeat: 158 runs, 7 wickets, and innings and 16 runs
biggest margins of defeat: 233 runs, innings and 226, and 10 wickets
average margins of defeat: 198 runs, innings and 144, and 8.85 wickets
out of 16 losses, 6 were by an innings and one of those was to the new test nation of pakistan.
Bear in mind again, that is the first 20 years of Indian test cricket. India played only 6 close matches out of 31 (4 draws, and 2 wins). the above are very Bangladesh like stats.
so in fact, bangladesh have performed just as well (or badly) as india in their first 19 years versus our first 8 years (india's 2 wins came in the 20th year - 1952).
