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Originally Posted by RazabQ
Shakibrulz, you are taking one meaning of the phrase "turn the ball" which is to cause it to deviate from it's original path. I've been watching the guy from day one and of course he has bowled his share of unplayable deliveries. I should have been more precise about "turn the ball" - in spin parlance it often refers to the RPMs you impart on the ball, aka the rip. When you impart a lot of rip on the ball you may still not get a lot of deviation off the pitch but you will get drift and dip during flight and the ball, on a sporting surface would spit off the pitch. Big turners of the ball amongst finger spinners of recent times: Swann, Harbhajan and Murali. Leggies because they get to use the whole wrist, in general, get more of a rip. Naturally Warne would come to mind but watch even an Ish Sodhi (who is 1/10th the spinner Shak is) and you'll notice the ball comes out of his hand with more of a rip. The highlights you show have some lovely delivery but I'd argue (and I just went and checked the Willow highlights for the last 2 seasons) that he's lost whatever little explosiveness he had on his deliveries after his shin injury. For further proof, ask yourself how many of his recent deliveries has the keeper collected above the waist?
Now can you be a successful international spinner if you don't give the ball a huge rip? Well Anil Kumble is living proof that disproves that. More recently Rangana Herath has had a decent run as Sri Lanka's lead bowler and he probably rips the ball the same degree as Shak. But would you call Herath a match-changing kind of bowler?
Look Shak is the best thing we've got now but facing him on a flat pitch will not scare a good batsman.
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I don't think any bowler would be much of a "threat" on flat pitches, even Warne. I mean except the occassional brilliance from Murali/Warne I can't think of anyone who'd get away with their bowling on flat pitches.
And on turning pitches, he's able to turn them big. He's got enough variations. Kumble was unique. Herath does rip the ball and get decent turn, and he's also had his terrible times. And as for Sodhi giving it a good rip - I don't see that huge a different and the guy got us close vs NZ to jog your memory a bit - and that was actually a turning track. I know, control and rip are two different things, but again, just saying.
And as for how many deliveries of his has keeper collected over waist height, you play on slow flat pitches now - that coupled with your batting getting better is why you're drawing games, if you hadn't noticed. If anything the trouble was that the odd balls kept low. IMO anyways.
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Originally Posted by RazabQ
I do not think we are minnows. I am NOT calling our team minnows. I said "not for nothing we are _labeled_ as minnows.
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Because no one really keeps up to the development of BD as BD fans or cricket enthusiasts do. For eg. the commentary while Shakib was playing in BBL - it was completely irritating and humiliating stuff - as if they didn't give a crap.
It's your dire past mostly that's haunting you I guess, but that doesn't justify labelling you as minnows anymore. You're well, well past that stage and you should vocally oppose that instead of saying it's understandable. It really isn't.