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Originally posted by RazabQ
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Originally posted by PoorFan
What is the different between Shahadat and Mushfique? one is a bowler and other is a batsman, one was 19+ at that time and other is 17+ now, one had couple of A match experience against UAE and ZIM ( don't know more than that ) and other has plenty of international match experience tough in U 19. So I don't see much difference between this two except 2 years of AGE.
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First off, big big difference between U-19 play level and A-team level. Do you really think they are similar? In terms of intensity? In terms of the physical abilities of the participants? In terms of the skill and nuances in play? If so, post why, and I shall happily provide my counterpoints.
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Looks like we are discussing a dead issue, as Tehsin mentioned in other thread, we should drop this subject.
Anyway, allow me to explain myself for the last time. It seems you missed my point, the pool of players and their performance in U 19 and A team of BANGLADESH doesn't make that much different. I was comparing between Mushfique and Shahadat, Mushfique don't have A team experience, but Shahadat have only few against weak team. Besides didn't we put Aftab, Nafis and Nafees in the team directly from U 19 team? So why we making this issue a BIG one in case of Mushfique, if not his age? Didn't our management, journalists and commentators praise him saying "cool head on a very young shoulder"? Did Mushfique said like he lost his sleep and dream because of that last test performance? So how we come to a conclusion like "destroying his future"? Who knows, playing a test every now and then may also be the part of nurture him. Since Mushfique is one of the SURE player who is going to play for BD in a long run, will not disappear that easy losing confidence by playing couple of bad test ( in his early age ). His consistence performance in U 19, and his short career of cricket till now suggest a lot I think. If it was the case other than Mushfique of U 19 team, then you certainly have valid point.
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Secondly, conventional wisdom (and yes there can exceptions) suggest that fast bowlers probably have the easiest adjustment to cricket, followed by batsmen, followed by slow/spin bowlers. I don't have the stats data to back this up in cricket, but if you look into Baseball's Sabermatics, you'll see this wisdom holding up fairly well. For this reason, I don't recall screaming bloody murder when Shahadat was given a game at Lords. Again, if you feel this not to be the case, do post, and we'll discuss.
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If this AGE was the case, I wonder why our ex U 19 coach allowed him to go to England in the first place.
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I also thought about the difference between bowler and batsman as you mentioned, but again, both of them are SPECIALIST for their own position, which make them even or close in term of mental aspect. Besides we have example of Aftab, Nafis and Nafees in hand, which suggest that the ONLY significant difference is "2 years of AGE". Now feel real lazy to dig it up who was screaming bloody murder when Shahadat got thrashed by English players.
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U-19 coach is not the ultimate authority. Faruque and prolly Whatmore are. Also Mushfique was supposed to just understudy Pilot and as Sham has pointed out elsewhere, learn about the conditions and gain experience. Through circumstance he ended up playing and his natural patience, propensity to play straight and mature shot selection enabled him to do allright.
He did NOT score huge runs in England, he has not at any level scored 300+ ala Tendulkar, heck he doesn't even have that many 100s, either in list A or FC. So unless one considers U-19 performances to be the ultimate barometer of success, there is NO need to press him into service immediately.
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But now we questioning Faruque and Whatmore, even they are the person who is watching and know best about Mushfique! How about the thought that he got the chance again through circumstance that he showed in Lord test? I doubt any body had expected more than 30 runs and playing more than dozens of overs, it so obvious. If he was able to do that, we wouldn't be talking on this issue for sure. All those Alok and Rana battle would have gone ( for sometime at least ) I guess.
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... Again not a surprise. If jr age games meant so much, Nigeria or Saudi Arabai should have won a Fifa world cup by now.
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I don't know how the name Saudi Arabia come up for win FIFA world cup, but all of those Nigerian players played for top European football club didn't they? You should ask Aimar, Saviola, Tchevege ( not sure the spell ), Messi and many more of the world, why they play as REGULAR in worlds top club like Spain, England and many others. Isn't their Jr game meant something to those worlds top?