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Old April 11, 2007, 09:46 AM
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Default About time we rethink our 'wickets' ?

Give us a docile pitch and we could make a game out of it
Give us the bounciest of pitches and our batsmen have little idea where the ball is going.

I DON'T BLAME THEM.

We need to rethink our strategy about our local 'wickets'. Spice them up a little bit. Give our players a taste of what they'd face in the international arena. We could do what India did. Get really good in docile pitches and take our chances in bouncy wickets once we've mastered the dead pitches. OR, we can start preparing 1/2 pitches that will offer the bounce that today's pitch is offering. The only problem, where do we get the quality bowlers who can exploit this conditions ? I leave that upto the board.
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Old April 11, 2007, 09:48 AM
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Tehsin bhai,
Pitch'er alap saren. Jei bhabey out hoilo.. eibar phone number ta diya den. Will bad mouth him.
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Old April 11, 2007, 10:20 AM
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ha ha...
a fall from grace i guess...
so much hope..
yet so much dissapointment!!
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Old April 11, 2007, 10:27 AM
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I agree with Tehsin bhai. Love these fast bouncy pitches. It makes a balanced game. If the bowlings bad, the good batsmen would score well of them. But with good bowling, it really becomes a test for batsmen's skill and temperament. Our batsmen have plenty of the former but not of the latter. Such sporting wickets in our domestic tourney would do a world of good. Pace, Swing, Bounce.
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Old April 11, 2007, 11:19 AM
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Tehsin bhai.... IMO, the trouble they are having with the pitch is not because of BD pitches.. its because they have been kept away from playing quality opponents on faster pitches for over a whole year by ICC.

Subcontinental pitches will always be slower... thats why the Subcon teams need to play more away matches on faster wickets to adjust. Just like SA suffered in slow pitch against BD... probably because played less cricket on slower pitches in the recent time.
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Old April 11, 2007, 11:35 AM
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Ahmed_B, the pitch definitely helped us against SA just like it got us completely out of contention in this game. A little bit patience and temperament would have helped us get to 200-odd. Great job by Masri in giving Sakib some time to play in the middle and get the score past 100.

We should have done better. Didn't think we could win (after the toss and the pitch report) and looks like we've got a lot of work in our hands.
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Old April 11, 2007, 11:41 AM
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a little bit of patience would have helped. oh well, we're still a pretty new side and it will take us some more time to be able to perform consistently. i just hope rankin doesn't do too much damage on sunday.

so what do we do about our vice captain's lack of form and our captain's unwillingness to run?
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Old April 11, 2007, 11:44 AM
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ATMR, ask Tehsin. He knows what exactly is wrong with SN. Ask him to tell you in private.
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Old April 11, 2007, 11:58 AM
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ATMR, ask Tehsin. He knows what exactly is wrong with SN. Ask him to tell you in private.
Is he pregnant ? Tell me, tell me
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Old April 11, 2007, 11:51 AM
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Tehsin bhai, most of our national team batsmen have actually struggled a lot in this year's Dhaka premier league where fast bowlers dominated. So, I think our groundsmen have already started making right sort of pitches. But it will take a while for our batsmen to develop habits for fast pitches.
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Old April 11, 2007, 12:00 PM
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Hard bouncy pitch and we are bundled below 150. We need to progress on that. However, I'm willing to have patience and we cannot learn everything all together at once. Except for Habibul, I did not mind today's performance of the team. Yes, they scored below 150, but they showed the positive attitude, and that is more important.
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Old April 11, 2007, 12:16 PM
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Hard bouncy pitch and we are bundled below 150. We need to progress on that. However, I'm willing to have patience and we cannot learn everything at all. Except for Habibul, I did not mind today's performance of the team. Yes, they scored below 150, but they showed the positive attitude, and that is more important.
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Old April 11, 2007, 12:30 PM
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I'm willing to have patience and we cannot learn everything all together at once. Except for Habibul, I did not mind today's performance of the team. Yes, they scored below 150, but they showed the positive attitude, and that is more important.
We know, we know, all that you and Spitty care is that whether your favourite players are in the team.
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Old April 11, 2007, 12:41 PM
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We know, we know, all that you and Spitty care is that whether your favourite players are in the team.
No Bro, not at all. What I liked today is that they did not go into their shell right away and just tried to play off 50 overs. Instead, they kept an eye on RR as well, as without a good score on board, you cannot fight. Sure they failed, but they tried. Thats what makes me mad when they play for honorable defeat. When they play positive, days like these will come. And I'm willing to accept that. Mind it, a defeat is a defeat and there is no such thing as an honorable defeat. So, what difference does it make if we score 200+ and lose or score 150 and lose? Nothing. however, if we play positive, we get a chance to win. That all it matters to me.
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Old April 11, 2007, 12:58 PM
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No Bro, not at all. What I liked today is that they did not go into their shell right away and just tried to play off 50 overs. Instead, they kept an eye on RR as well, as without a good score on board, you cannot fight. Sure they failed, but they tried. Thats what makes me mad when they play for honorable defeat. When they play positive, days like these will come. And I'm willing to accept that. Mind it, a defeat is a defeat and there is no such thing as an honorable defeat. So, what difference does it make if we score 200+ and lose or score 150 and lose? Nothing. however, if we play positive, we get a chance to win. That all it matters to me.
Please take a look at how most of them got out, they got out by trying to play big shots in swinging and bouncy conditions and when the team was in dire straights. They could take singles and twos and still be able to score at 4+/over which they could not with the mad hitting. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw razzak hitting monty when he knows the better hitter is just on the other side of the pitch.
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Old April 11, 2007, 12:59 PM
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No Bro, not at all. What I liked today is that they did not go into their shell right away and just tried to play off 50 overs. Instead, they kept an eye on RR as well, as without a good score on board, you cannot fight. Sure they failed, but they tried. Thats what makes me mad when they play for honorable defeat. When they play positive, days like these will come. And I'm willing to accept that. Mind it, a defeat is a defeat and there is no such thing as an honorable defeat. So, what difference does it make if we score 200+ and lose or score 150 and lose? Nothing. however, if we play positive, we get a chance to win. That all it matters to me.
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Old April 11, 2007, 03:10 PM
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We know, we know, all that you and Spitty care is that whether your favourite players are in the team.
If they happen to be better players, then why not?
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Old April 11, 2007, 03:15 PM
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We know, we know, all that you and Spitty care is that whether your favourite players are in the team.
If they happen to be better players, then why not?
The problem is that they are not, not always.
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Old April 11, 2007, 03:44 PM
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Sort of outdated, but on a similar line of thought from a previous post of mine...

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochon...195#post299195

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Giving our fast bowlers a chance

It is true that our "typical sub-continental" conditions limit us to the extent that we cannot make fast and bouncy pitches like they have in Australia or somewhere else. Even if we could, our cricket decision makers would always make flat pitches for our home games, hoping our slow bowlers would reap the benefits, and of course, so that our batsmen can have an easier time in the middle.

But to reap the true benefits, you need to get some runs on the board. Our batsmen are unable to do that most of the times, and in reality, the visiting team reaps bigger benefits from the flat pitch, as Australia is doing right now - even their tail-ender is scoring maiden test century (okay, okay, he played well with straight bat and so on, but still he is and always will be a tail-ender). And two of our fine fast bowlers, deprived of getting any assistance from the pitch, are not quite able to do any real damage.

Now that we have a quality pace duo in the form of Mash and Shahadat (and we have more with Rasel and others), can’t we build fast-bowler friendly pitches for our home matches? I mean, how bad can it get? We scored 197 on a very very flat pitch that is considered to be a heaven for the batsmen. There are multiple examples of our low scoring in flat batting-heaven pitches before. If our batsmen cannot score runs, why deprive our capable bowlers with great consistency who can, with some assistance from the pitch, trouble even the world's leading batsmen?

Again, how worse can it get? We might score 167 instead on 197... but we may do worse than that on a flat pitch also.

And mind you, our batsmen have played the likes of McGrath and Gillespie (in his prime) *IN* Australia, and later in England - and they have played them well, in some cases. Those were not flat batting wickets either.

For our slow bowlers, I believe Rafique can trouble batsmen in any kind of pitch.

For once, we can be fair to our talented (and with better temperament, at least more than our batsmen) fast bowlers, and give them a chance to bowl on a fast-bowling pitch in home conditions, and see what they can do! We can even play 3 pacers in the team with Rafique (and may be a 5th one, why not!) taking care of the spin department.

I might be dreaming way ahead. Especially since there are no home matches in the near future.

But isn’t this worth the thought?
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Old April 11, 2007, 12:22 PM
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I agree with Tehsin bhai completely. Our weakness to face fast bowlers in fast bouncy wickets has been persisting for a long time. I don't blame the young players unable to negotiate with the bounce. This wicket seems to be different from all other wickets in this world cup.

We need to prepare good bouncy wickets all over BD, not only for international cricket, but also for national leagues, district level cricket and even for school level of cricket. Money is not a problem for cricket in our country. BCB should go for it.
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Are we going to play against Ireland on the same ground? That's the only question moving in my head.
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Old April 11, 2007, 12:28 PM
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Are we going to play against Ireland on the same ground? That's the only question moving in my head.
Yes, we will play our next two matches on the same field.
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Old April 11, 2007, 12:31 PM
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Yes, we will play our next two matches on the same field.
These games will be very tough for us for sure. But i still trust our team except Bashar.
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Yes, we will play our next two matches on the same field.
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Old April 11, 2007, 12:35 PM
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Are we going to play against Ireland on the same ground? That's the only question moving in my head.
Yes, we are playing our remaining games here... It will be a good contest.
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