What should be Bangladesh's long and short term goals?

[PlanetPak]

Realistically speaking where would you want to see BAN after the next

year
2 years(covering the goals for the 2011 World cup)
5 years from now.

and whats the best method for them to achieve that goal?

[cricman]

Originally Posted by PlanetPak
Realistically speaking where would you want to see BAN after the next

year
2 years(covering the goals for the 2011 World cup)
5 years from now.

and whats the best method for them to achieve that goal?

Here would be my Benchmarks for the upcoming Series, I'm usally pretty good with these

Test Series vs Sri Lanka: Bat Better(300-500 Range), No one outside Murali should trouble them. They Have a Bunch of Rajibs who like to bowl Half Volleys and short with no real Zip. See Off Vaas and Murali play Smart vs the rest.

Tri Series: Beat Sri Lanka once (Hopefully in the final) beat Zimbabwe

ODI Series: Sweep Zimbabwe

ICCT20: Semis (Crash Bang Wallop, Don't try to make 20/20 Complicated)

West Indies: Win a Test, or draw one Test. Try to win the ODI Series

Get into ODI Mode after that, play smaller teams if needed to build up confidence, Aim to get as Far as Possible in the WC.

[fsally]

Short term goals - Being more optimistic. I heard Ash talking to Sakib in the pavillion while batting, he said 'faltu shot meronah'. If you are going to focus on what you do not want to happen, that itself will become reality.

Long Term Goals - Inspiring all cricketing nations on how a team can develop and have a very high win percentage.

[nzfan]

Bangladesh should really look towards the zimbabwe of old to develop their game. Zimbabwe werent flashy, they didnt score fast at all, quite the opposite, this kind of batting should be Bangladeshs goal, grind out runs, learn to bat long innings

[Nocturnal]

target should be being the no#8 spot in ICC ranking in both form of games! one step at a time!

[soccer20reverse]

Short Term Goal- Make some realistic long term goals.
Long Term Goal- Wonder if we've made the right short term goal.

[nycpro96]

I think that we should be able to get into #8 into both test and one day rankings.
on our good day, we should be able to beat both WI and NZ

[bangla-red]

To try and get 20000+ for EVERY game.

[Rifat]

allright, let me be more realistic...

how about: every moment we play, never collapse nor let the opponent take the game away from you, if you follow this philosophy, you have a shot at every game under every circumstance.

in 2 years: i want to see all Bangladeshi top 4 batsmens averaging 30+ instead of 20-27ish in ODI and tests

at least 8 of the current 11 national team players STAY and perform, this will definitely ensure amazing consistency from the Bangladeshi side ...
do not forget, alhamdulillah, we have achieved a LOT over the past 6 years...

examples:
1. we have outstripped ourselves from being looked down by associates...

2. our bowlers in the 2003-2000 era used to average around 40s upper thirties at best. now we have bowlers like Mortaza, Razzak, Shakib, Rasel who got it down to upper twenties and lower thirties...from an ameteur fan's point of view, it may not look like much, but realistically, long term it looks amazing!

3. the ability to scare any opponent by surprise when circumstances look the bleakest.

negatives:

1. lack of long term vision(why we still get out for 131 in tests...etc...specifically in the longer version, maybe because we play more ODI's than tests)
2. failure to keep players in the national team(ICL exodus)
3. lack of consistency
4. need to execute the simple basics of the game and stick to it instead of playing crazy cricket. specific focus area: BATTING


at the end of the day, it all boils down to domestic cricket, which has been the hot topic of this forum for the last couple of months, if it improves, National team will improve as a well.

[bangla-red]

Originally Posted by rifat
allright, let me be more realistic...

how about: every moment we play, never collapse nor let the opponent take the game away from you, if you follow this philosophy, you have a shot at every game under every circumstance.

in 2 years: i want to see all Bangladeshi top 4 batsmens averaging 30+ instead of 20-27ish in ODI and tests

at least 8 of the current 11 national team players STAY and perform, this will definitely ensure amazing consistency from the Bangladeshi side ...
do not forget, alhamdulillah, we have achieved a LOT over the past 6 years...

examples:
1. we have outstripped ourselves from being looked down by associates...

2. our bowlers in the 2003-2000 era used to average around 40s upper thirties at best. now we have bowlers like Mortaza, Razzak, Shakib, Rasel who got it down to upper twenties and lower thirties...from an ameteur fan's point of view, it may not look like much, but realistically, long term it looks amazing!

3. the ability to scare any opponent by surprise when circumstances look the bleakest.

negatives:

1. lack of long term vision(why we still get out for 131 in tests...etc...specifically in the longer version, maybe because we play more ODI's than tests)
2. failure to keep players in the national team(ICL exodus)
3. lack of consistency
4. need to execute the simple basics of the game and stick to it instead of playing crazy cricket. specific focus area: BATTING


at the end of the day, it all boils down to domestic cricket, which has been the hot topic of this forum for the last couple of months, if it improves, National team will improve as a well.

Yeah. Mortaza has average of 41, Razzak 83 ish, rasel 40 ish. Shakib has 30. Even ash has 61 or summat.

[PlanetPak]

Ideally BAN would want at least ONE superstar who could ignite the young team, a bit like Fazal Mahmood did that in the 50s for PAK, Desilva in the late 80s and early 90s for SL and Andy Flower in the 90s for ZIM.

[Rifat]

Originally Posted by bangla-red
Yeah. Mortaza has average of 41, Razzak 83 ish, rasel 40 ish. Shakib has 30. Even ash has 61 or summat.

i was talking about ODI's...

[bangla-red]

Originally Posted by rifat
i was talking about ODI's...

Well, it's more about economy rate there. Even Ash has a half-decent average.

[sandpiper]

Our aim should be to win the next World Cup (beating India , Pakistan, Srilanka and Australia on the way) .

period

[bujhee kom]

i strongly think that our

1. short term goal should be to find out who(bd player/mngt) was behind the alcohol/whiskey smugling,
2. long term goal should be to find out who(bd player/bcb dude) was behind the ICL exodus and then,

expose them to the public naked and no beating or nothing just laugh at them and make them sit on a toilet seat or something for twenty-four hours in public square...!
this is a very important and serious step that we must take! we must not forget these things/dark ghosts that are haunting us and our young cricketers.

[Rommel]

I would love for us to be a top 8 team within 2 years. However, with our current rate of progress, we probably won't be top 8 for a while. So my goal is to try to be consistently competitive with the big boys. No more fluke wins. Once we become competitive, wins will come naturally. This is the big reason why we must keep Jamie Siddons. Instead of just striving for short term goals, he actually looks at our long-term future. He wants us to be competitive and we are slowly starting to become that. We just need to put it all together. So really I don't have huge expectations for the WC. I just want us to try to reach the Super 8's again.

[Rifat]

Originally Posted by ro1249
I would love for us to be a top 8 team within 2 years. However, with our current rate of progress, we probably won't be top 8 for a while. So my goal is to try to be consistently competitive with the big boys. No more fluke wins. Once we become competitive, wins will come naturally. This is the big reason why we must keep Jamie Siddons. Instead of just striving for short term goals, he actually looks at our long-term future. He wants us to be competitive and we are slowly starting to become that. We just need to put it all together. So really I don't have huge expectations for the WC. I just want us to try to reach the Super 8's again.

to be honest with you, even if we start winning matches like crazy from this point, reaching the top eight wont be any sooner because realistically speaking, we need to win ODI series against TOP eight team consistently to reach # 8 spot, we had a good chance about 2 months ago but blew it against New Zealand and that was as easy as it got...(home conditions, low target), so how do we expect to reach top eight without beating teams like Sri Lanka, Pakistan, India, Australlia, England, South Africa in a series, not just a win here and there...


given the circumstances, i am not really worried about our ranking, my concern is, built a world class team with world class players, from what it looks like now, we are heading there in the right direction, alhamdulillah with a few players developing

once the platform is setup, then worry about rankings...

this is why i targeted Ashraful to up his average,(others are encouraged as well), there is no other way to it.stick to the basics and keep performing consistently, we will get there inshallah! just be patient!

[billah]

One goal - Learn to bat.

[Akib]

Short term: Be competetive in a series. We are better in ODI's so we should try to win a series once in a while. And with tests, we must continue fighting til the last day, hopefully drawing or winning.
For World Cup, 2nd round is a must.
Finally, we have to stabilize our batting.

Long term: Consistantly win test, ODI series.

[nahaz]

Short term: I would really like our players to be more disciplined with their approach to the game so that they do not keep playing silly shots..I want Bangladesh to win 1 or 2 series every year three years from now. If we have a target of 220, I want to chase it down 90% of the time , even against Australia. Doing well in the next world cup would be great, but I'd like to also see consistent improvements. Hope for more consistency in selection.

Long term: To have a system in place domestically so that every player who goes into the international arena is ready to constantly make 50s, or take 3/4 wickets. By 2012, I want test losses by innings to come down to under 20% per year. I'd also like us to win 25% of tests in 5 years time, and 35% of ODIs. I want to see consistencies in selection and a team every team considers a challenge to play against.

Does anyone even read anything I type? I wonder sometimes...

[bdchamp20]

Short term goals (Off the field):
-Sort out the ICL issue

-Redesign domestic cricket

-Emphasise more on 3/4 day matches in junior leagues

-Appoint proper people for jobs in adminstration, coaching etc.

Short term goals (On the field):
-Take Test matches to 4th or 5th day regularly against all teams

-Draw a Test per series against New Zealand, West Indies, Pakistan and England(at home)

-Win one ODI per series against West Indies, New Zealand, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and England and play competitive cricket in the other matches.

-Identify one world-class batsman, one world-class pacer and one world-class spinner and build the team around them.

-Reach Semi-finals in World Twenty20

-Reach second round of World Cup

[BANFAN]

Short Term: Win Some game & Be competitive in all. (DW had it & JS abandoned it)
Long Term: Win Most of the Games & Go into the game with a chance to win every game. (Mantra of JS but devoid of short term goals)

We have evrything out there, just need someone to understand what he is doing.
Revised Short Term: Find out a new Coach who can achieve the above 'Short Term Goals'
Revised Long Term: Have the infrastructure (Facilities, Domestic League, Train Local Coaches etc etc) in place to take up the above 'Long Term Goal'

[LateCut]

Originally Posted by PlanetPak
Realistically speaking where would you want to see BAN after the next

year
2 years(covering the goals for the 2011 World cup)
5 years from now.

and whats the best method for them to achieve that goal?

Long and short of it? Make a lot of money and then live happily ever after!

This means join the ICL, play for a few seasons, invest the income wisely and then thumb your nose to BCB.

[al Furqaan]

My 2 cents:

The long term goals? Thats easy and two-fold.

Our immediate long term goal is to attain parity with the other 8 Test nations in the world. To shed the tag of minnow. No definitive marker for this achievement exists, but everyone will recognize it like their mother when it happens. It may very well be that we achieve parity in ODIs and yet still lag behind in Tests, akin to the New Zealand teams of recent memory. So we can perhaps break it down further and say our eminent immediate long term goal is to attain ODI parity. In my opinion this has already begun to happen and to fully take root, will take another 5 years. This is not so bad considering our core average age is around 23-25. To become a Test nation of comparable calibre, it will take quite a bit longer as that is a multifactorial, chicken and egg, type of thing. I will not be surprised if it takes 20 years for us to be a strong Test side. Having said that, I would hope that in 5 years time, we win a home test or two every year, and possibly have the gall to draw some matches as well.

The ultimate long term goal is of course to be the worlds absolute best team. This is something which may never be achieved, but its pursuit will itself be entertainment and reward enough. It is something whose failure to achieve should also not necessarily be construed as failure. Its the hope and dream which is just as important as the actual rank.

The short term goals are thus our immediate long term goals. There can be no short-cuts. Our players must understand that to play well as team, they must first play well in a selfish manner. This does not mean simply hogging the strike while conceding dot ball after dot ball, but to play in an efficient and intelligent manner.

Individually, I expect the following to be achieved within 5 years time, and as unlikely as they may seem, it will definitely yield team successes of which can be mighty proud. I am mixing potential with pragmaticism in my projections (i.e even if Ash has tremendous potential, I'm not making him the next Tendulkar for obvious reasons).

Remember these are projections by year's end of 2013.



Batsman

Mohammad Ashraful - It begins and ends with this man. Lately he is becoming more and more irrelevant at least in the 5-day version, but when he is in his zone, few players ever can be as flawlessly dominant. Perhaps maturity is slowly coming with age.

Projections (Test Batting Average 30, ODI Batting Average 28)

Raqibul Hasan - This guy impresses me more than any other. Calm, cool, and collected. I would like him to mark his spot into the number 3 position and become a poor man's Dravid.

Projections (Test Batting Average 40, ODI Batting Average 35)

Tamim Iqbal - Perhaps because he was so consistent, but it seems ages ago he last hit a 50, when in fact its a mere dozen innings or so ago. Not long in the traditional Bangladeshi context. Such is his proficiency. He will do some big things one day.

Projections (Test Batting Average 40, ODI Batting Average 35)

Mushfiqur Rahim - Very pleased to see him cement his spot with Dhiman's departure. His play on green, bouncy tracks in South Africa against Dale Steyn, Morne Morkel, and Makhaya Ntini must definitely be considered amongst the greatest individual Test series by a Bangladeshi batsman so far.

Projections (Test Batting Average 35, ODI Batting Average 25)

Sakib al Hasan - What an all-rounder he has been. Minor improvements in his bowling and better shot selection and technique whilst batting would be the only wishes we can ask of this geni.

Projections (Test Batting Average 35, ODI Batting Average 35, Test Bowling Average 35, ODI Bowling Average 30)

Junaid Siddique - Certainly can play well as he has 50s at home and away against the might Proteas. Consistency and improvement of flaws should be his primary concern.

Projections (Test Batting Average 35, ODI Batting Average 30)

Mehrab Hossain Jr - Solidity is what we need, our very on VVS Laxman.

Projections (Test Batting Average 30, ODI Batting Average 25)

Naeem Islam - I think this boy has some skills. We'll find out.

Projections (Test Batting Average 35, ODI Batting Average 30)

Bowlers

Mashrafee Mortaza - I hope he doesn't have to quit early, but if he does, my money would be on him quitting Tests. Far too valuable in ODIs for us to lose him.

Projections: Tests Bowling Average 35, ODI Bowling Average 28

Shahadat Hossain - He needs to regain the form he had earlier in the year. Expect this guy to learn and bounce back (no pun intended).

Projections: Tests Bowling Average 30, ODI Bowling Average 35

Mahbubul Alam - Seems to be a decent find, and not to devoid of pace either.

Projections: Tests Bowling Average 35, ODI Bowling Average 30

Syed Rasel - Our version of Chaminda Vaas, albeit a bit slower.

Projections: ODI Bowling Average 25

Abdur Razzak - The primary spinner is so far secondary to Sakib.

Projections: Tests Bowling Average 35, ODI Bowling Average 28

Enamul Haque Jr - Should get another nod and see if there is any improvement.

Projections: Tests Bowling Average 35, ODI Bowling Average 28

[Rifat]

Al-furqaan, these seem like reasonable, reachable goals...i say go for it