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Old May 30, 2010, 09:24 AM
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Default Jamie Siddons - The best thing the BCB have ever done

With Kayes now over the hurdle we have six batsmen capable of scoring big since the arrival of Siddons. The best batting coach in the World without a doubt. Now it is vital we keep him for as long as possible.

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Old May 30, 2010, 09:32 AM
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With Kayes now over the hurdle we have six batsmen capable of scoring big since the arrival of Siddons. The best batting coach in the World without a doubt. Now it is vital we keep him for as long as possible.
FYI: we need to win matches, not individual performances.
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Old May 30, 2010, 09:43 AM
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FYI: we need to win matches, not individual performances.
FYI you can't go from innings defeats to winning test matches. Step by step improvements. It's there for all to see.

As for ODIs towards the end of of Ash's reign as captain we beat Sri Lanka and New Zealand and were looking a competitive ODI unit. Siddons was the coach then as well.
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Old May 30, 2010, 10:43 AM
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FYI you can't go from innings defeats to winning test matches. Step by step improvements. It's there for all to see.

As for ODIs towards the end of of Ash's reign as captain we beat Sri Lanka and New Zealand and were looking a competitive ODI unit. Siddons was the coach then as well.
yes no doubt that our batting improves a lot, but the fact is that as a head coach, he should put more focus on fielding and bowling, rather than improving one side which is batting......the only way u can win a game when u click all three sides
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Old May 30, 2010, 03:08 PM
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FYI you can't go from innings defeats to winning test matches. Step by step improvements. It's there for all to see.
I totally agree, all of our recent test matches have gone into 5 days, none of them were inninghs defeat. Its a definite big improvement and it should be obvious for people to see. Also in the one-days we give regular fights and get close in every match. I will rather have regular competetive matches over one or two Eid wins here and there. Siddons cant teach morons like Ashraful who is too full of himself and wont listen to him and he cant really teach bowlers but even so, there's little he can do if the bowlers dont stick to a plan, like Siddons asked his bowlers to pitch the ball up in the warm-up games but the bowlers kept banging it short. So what's a coach supposed to.

In my opinion, Siddons has done a wonderful job fin converting this once-in-a-blu-moon team into a regular fighting unit. Our team now reminds me of the Zimbawe that had Flower and Streak playing for them, always competing and fighting hard. Why are people saying he is bad with bowlers, ofcourse that's because he isnt a bowling coach and that's precisely why we had a bowling coach who unfortunately did a crap job.
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Old May 30, 2010, 01:08 PM
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FYI: we need to win matches, not individual performances.
His influence will remain with BD cricket for a long time. Even after when he is gone. Unlike any of your previous coaches who could not develop any of the players to international standards.

Winning is a culture. BD don't have any of that in any sector. We have partial of it in chess but that is about it.

These small individual achievements string together (consistency) can bring that change. We have shrugged the tag of eid day winning. Now we are competing at Lords. Hats of the coach. We are not there yet. Fielding and bowling needs to be improved a little. Results will come do not worry!!
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Old May 30, 2010, 09:37 AM
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Siddons is the best coach in the world when our players are scoring really well, and worst coach when our players are doing horrible?
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Old May 30, 2010, 09:37 AM
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He is a good batting coach. No doubt about that.

But he is crap as a head coach.
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I wouldn't go that far. But he is by far the best coach we had who made some major improvements in our batting line up. His head coaching ability is some what questionable.
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Old May 30, 2010, 12:44 PM
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I wouldn't go that far. But he is by far the best coach we had who made some major improvements in our batting line up. His head coaching ability is some what questionable.
What is the best thing the BCB has done?

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Don't know if all credit should go to Siddons, but definitely an improvement from Kayes. He's still pretty streaky in his run-scoring though.
Well that's obvious isn't it? He can only help those who help themselves. That's why he hasn't gone anywhere with a loser like Ashraful.

You guys are over-estimating the role of a coach in cricket. Shakib has to improve his captaincy and become more authoritative to win matches not Siddons.
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Old May 30, 2010, 02:51 PM
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You guys are over-estimating the role of a coach in cricket. Shakib has to improve his captaincy and become more authoritative to win matches not Siddons.
How come Shakib is suppose to improve his captaincy? By himself?
What's the role of a head coach may I ask?
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Old May 30, 2010, 06:05 PM
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How come Shakib is suppose to improve his captaincy? By himself?
What's the role of a head coach may I ask?
"Coaching refers to the activity of a coach in developing the abilities of coachees or clients."

Every batsman has improved their game under Siddons. Except Ashraful who has remained the same, I think statistically even he has improved a tiny bit under Siddons. Shakib is supposed to learn from his mistakes but he isn't. Siddons can't be in the field and make the decisions for him. You can't teach innovative captaincy. You have to rise to the occasion. A captain must know his team inside out. Now I am not anti-Shakib, he is at times brilliant but sometimes he makes such amateurish decisions that I can't help but question whether he is taking anything on board. But all these days he had an unbearable amount of pressure on his shoulder as the team's best batsman and bowler but now with the emergence of Tamim and the others he will have a massive burden off his shoulder. And it should be easier for him to captain so let's just be patient. I personally feel we are very very close to crossing the final hurdle.
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What is the best thing the BCB has done?


Well that's obvious isn't it? He can only help those who help themselves. That's why he hasn't gone anywhere with a loser like Ashraful.

You guys are over-estimating the role of a coach in cricket. Shakib has to improve his captaincy and become more authoritative to win matches not Siddons.
Very well said Equinox .
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He should be out batting coach instead of head coach...
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Old May 30, 2010, 10:55 AM
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He has been our best batting coach no doubt. Turned a gobet like Imrul into class boss, I agree with you.
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Old May 30, 2010, 11:03 AM
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Don't know if all credit should go to Siddons, but definitely an improvement from Kayes. He's still pretty streaky in his run-scoring though.
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i think he needs to have a 2-3 week camp with the A team, academy and under 19 batsman
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i think he needs to have a 2-3 week camp with the A team, academy and under 19 batsman
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Old May 30, 2010, 12:15 PM
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I hope we keep him as a batting coach, for another few years. Hope he is willing to stay. There was a reason why he wasnt the head coach of Aus, but asst. coach. So we need to find a head coach who can motivate like Whatmore. So we will be technically solid, with confidence to win match.
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That would be hard. It would be like a demotion for Siddons. But for Bangladesh cricket it would be great. The national team needs a good motivator, not just a technical batting expert like Siddons.


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I hope we keep him as a batting coach, for another few years. Hope he is willing to stay. There was a reason why he wasnt the head coach of Aus, but asst. coach. So we need to find a head coach who can motivate like Whatmore. So we will be technically solid, with confidence to win match.
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Also, don't forget Junaid. The level of determination he showed today was incredible. Previously out batsmen would give in the pressure[short bowling] and just gift their wicket. He kept his cool and made sure the bowlers had to come and get him.
Thanks to Jamie for turning some "mediocre" batsmen into international class batsmen and some international class batsmen into "world-class" batsmen.
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Old May 30, 2010, 02:08 PM
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I don't expect most people to understand what Siddons is doing and realise his influence until after he's gone. Five-ten years from now people will hail him as the architect of our success. He came in with a long-term plan and wasn't in it for one or two fluke wins a year a la Whatmore.
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I don't expect most people to understand what Siddons is doing and realise his influence until after he's gone. Five-ten years from now people will hail him as the architect of our success. He came in with a long-term plan and wasn't in it for one or two fluke wins a year a la Whatmore.
yes, mind boggling how some people think that champaka was a good pacer coach too.

yes, to some extent, development or performance is based on the players themselves. they're the ones who are bowling, batting, fielding, etc. however, Siddons' technical advice must be paying dividends. previously, a bowler of Jimmy Anderson's calibre would mercilessly run through our top, middle, and bottom order and inflict an innings defeat on us on a pitch 83 times as flat as this one. each one of these bowlers is good. forget player of the year Swann (the best offie in the world right now and one of the very few non-Bangladeshi players i support). Anderson is better than he's played this game (maybe we're just that good, haha). Bresnan was the leading pacer when they toured BD just a few weeks ago, and Finn has 6 for the match as it stands right now, so he's definitely not shabby.

lets just see where we were when Siddons first took over. recall, that Siddons got the job and was almost universally embraced due to his obvious batting pedigree. we didn't really expect him to turn us into a side that would blast the opposition out for under 150 runs in just 2 sessions. but we expected him to make us a team that would score 300 regularily and 400 frequently. and that is exactly what he's delivering. the way we are developing, there isn't any reason to think we won't be scoring 500 someday in the forseeable future. this was simply unthinkable in the past.

but even when Siddons took over, we were highly "inconsistent". that consistency is beginning to show through. just look at our averages over the past 12-18 months. everyone's is up. Habibul Bashar in his prime would struggle to get into this lineup. and he was the "Bangladeshi Bradman".

look at Siddons first test series, we had that record (broken today) opening stand of 161 between Junaid and Tamim, the remaining 39 wickets that series fetched us 486 runs @ an average of 12.46. this was in NZ against attack of Martin, Mills, Obrien, Oram and Vettori. not a minnow attack, but not world beaters either.

so far, excluding tamim and imrul's play today, we have 425-14 @ 30.36.
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yes, mind boggling how some people think that champaka was a good pacer coach too.

yes, to some extent, development or performance is based on the players themselves. they're the ones who are bowling, batting, fielding, etc. however, Siddons' technical advice must be paying dividends. previously, a bowler of Jimmy Anderson's calibre would mercilessly run through our top, middle, and bottom order and inflict an innings defeat on us on a pitch 83 times as flat as this one. each one of these bowlers is good. forget player of the year Swann (the best offie in the world right now and one of the very few non-Bangladeshi players i support). Anderson is better than he's played this game (maybe we're just that good, haha). Bresnan was the leading pacer when they toured BD just a few weeks ago, and Finn has 6 for the match as it stands right now, so he's definitely not shabby.

lets just see where we were when Siddons first took over. recall, that Siddons got the job and was almost universally embraced due to his obvious batting pedigree. we didn't really expect him to turn us into a side that would blast the opposition out for under 150 runs in just 2 sessions. but we expected him to make us a team that would score 300 regularily and 400 frequently. and that is exactly what he's delivering. the way we are developing, there isn't any reason to think we won't be scoring 500 someday in the forseeable future. this was simply unthinkable in the past.

but even when Siddons took over, we were highly "inconsistent". that consistency is beginning to show through. just look at our averages over the past 12-18 months. everyone's is up. Habibul Bashar in his prime would struggle to get into this lineup. and he was the "Bangladeshi Bradman".

look at Siddons first test series, we had that record (broken today) opening stand of 161 between Junaid and Tamim, the remaining 39 wickets that series fetched us 486 runs @ an average of 12.46. this was in NZ against attack of Martin, Mills, Obrien, Oram and Vettori. not a minnow attack, but not world beaters either.

so far, excluding tamim and imrul's play today, we have 425-14 @ 30.36.
Perfectly analyzed. I personally, always had liked Jamie Siddons. I knew he would improve our batting side and he has, drastically.
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Perfectly analyzed. I personally, always had liked Jamie Siddons. I knew he would improve our batting side and he has, drastically.
i, along with 99% of BC members applauded his apointment back in december 2007. a year later, we were in the pits. ODI team was conceding 300 every single innings...test team had failed to score more than 250 a single time.

while most BCers were clamoring for Siddons' head, i asked for him to have at least 24 months and then decide to see whether he should stay or go. i did NOT support Siddons around the beginning of 2009, but i did NOT oppose him either.

1.5 years later, it appears as though Siddons has vindicated his position.

of course our fielding is generally shabby (imrul and junaid have improved our previously non-existant slip fielding) but otherwise we are mediocre at best in the field. our bowling also needs work, but JS cannot do it all. in fact, what he has done it can be argued is more important than either fielding or bowling, and he's already achieved what none of us imagined he could.
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