Shundor Bangla

[Sohel]

Wonderful to hear Bijauy speak shuddho Bangla in public. He's the only one in the team who knows how. Must come from a properly educated and cultured family.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by Sohel NR
Wonderful to hear Bijauy speak shuddho Bangla in public. He's the only one in the team who knows how. Must come from a properly educated and cultured family.

He's the only one who can speak it? Whats everyone else speaking?!

[Sohel]

They speak the way we speak at home or with close friends in Dhaka. It's the "hoyechhe-hoise" code switching thang. Guys like Loitta speak the lumpen proletarian version preferred by darwans and chakors trying to act classy. Regional dialects are a totally different thing.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by Sohel NR
They speak the way we speak at home or with close friends in Dhaka. It's the "hoyechhe-hoise" code switching thang. Guys like Loitta speak the lumpen proletarian version preferred by darwans and chakors trying to act classy. Regional dialects are a totally different thing.

Oh my Nani is a huge proponent of the shuddho bangla...I think she has given up now though since cousins, abbu ammu, mama, mami, khala, khalu have all abandoned it for the easier hoise brand. Bechari!

[Sohel]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
Oh my Nani is a huge proponent of the shuddho bangla...I think she has given up now though since cousins, abbu ammu, mama, mami, khala, khalu have all abandoned it for the easier hoise brand. Bechari!

A HUGE paye dhore salam to your Nani bro. "Shuddho" Bangla is "Shundor" Bangla and other languages like Farsi and Japanese also have their own versions of code switching. Our family's the same way but we do speak Shundor Bangla in formal and public events.

[oronnya]

Originally Posted by Sohel NR
A HUGE paye dhore salam to your Nani bro. "Shuddho" Bangla is "Shundor" Bangla and other languages like Farsi and Japanese also have their own versions of code switching. Our family's the same way but we do speak Shundor Bangla in formal and public events.

I completely agree with you. That's the reason I hate Faruki's Natok.. Like I don't have a problem with people who doesn't know how to speak shudhho Bangla !! But I just hate when people speaks the oshudhho Bangla to prove themselves as cool !! I particularly hated it when the drama, movies, ads has started with that oshudhho Bangla and that's where the new generation got confused.. bashate jar jar ancholik bhashai kotha hoi r Shongshkritir boro boro maddhom gulote ei notun "kewl" language chalu howai eder kono dharonai nei shudhho bhashar chorcha shomporke .. r amra kina shomoi paar korechhi garo r garho er majher babodhanta ayotto korte...

[TigerEz]

now this is the fact i dont get! why does it matter how ur speaking ur language? We love our language and ur enjoying speaking it.....y shuld we have others tell us if our language is sudho or khet?

[Sohel]

@TigerEz: I don't get many things about your posts either. For example you dissing and demeaning Bangladesh and Bangladeshis every opportunity you get in favor of India and the US (it's obvious you're not from either country as much as your posts suggest you wannabe). Indians don't diss their own country and Americans will NEVER confuse an Anglo-Saffer accent with any one of "our" own as you did while commenting on Pybus's arrival video at the HASINA.

Code switching is a part of our linguistic heritage and we should celebrate it. That way we preserve the unique character of the language. Guys like Dr. Muhammad Shahidullah and Liberation War Martyrs Dr. Munir Chaudhury and Dr. Mofazzal Haider Chaudhury created the shuddho Bangla standard based on our own experience, not the Kolkatan.

[Kohli_Sox]

Originally Posted by Sohel NR
@TigerEz: I don't get many things about your posts either. For example you dissing and demeaning Bangladesh and Bangladeshis every opportunity you get in favor of India and the US (it's obvious you're not from either country as much as your posts suggest you wannabe). Indians don't diss their own country and Americans will NEVER confuse an Anglo-Saffer accent with any one of "our" own as you did while commenting on Pybus's arrival video at the HASINA.

Code switching is a part of our linguistic heritage and we should celebrate it. That way we preserve the unique character of the language. Guys like Dr. Muhammad Shahidullah and Liberation War Martyrs Dr. Munir Chaudhury and Dr. Mofazzal Haider Chaudhury created the shuddho Bangla standard based on own experience, not the Kolkatan.

Salam Sohel bhai,
Isn't it a little too harsh on our younger brother TigerEz? Along with teaching others "the importance of shudhho bangla", we have to also remember "the way" we do it to our younger generation. Showing absolute hate won't make the matter any good and particularly more so when giving the message to younger generation. Although you might find some disrespectful comments from TigerEz but one can't really judge or question his commitment to Bangladesh as in I wanted to say for which thing he dedicates most of his time- "Bangladesh Cricket"

Thank You and I hope you don't get me wrong for pointing out.

[Sohel]

Originally Posted by Kohli_Sox
Salam Sohel bhai,
Isn't it a little too harsh on our younger brother TigerEz? Along with teaching others "the importance of shudhho bangla", we have to also remember "the way" we do it to our younger generation. Showing absolute hate won't make the matter any good and particularly more so when giving the message to younger generation. Although you might find some disrespectful comments from TigerEz but one can't really judge or question his commitment to Bangladesh as in I wanted to say for which thing he dedicates most of his time- "Bangladesh Cricket"

Thank You and I hope you don't get me wrong for pointing out.

Walaikum as Salaam.

I was that age also and deal with many that age everyday. I was taught to accept and love myself and by extension, my country and culture in all of their complexity. Demeaning comments about "Bangladesh" and "Bangladeshis" is a flagrant expression self-loathing and other deeply embedded psychosomatic issues in need of therapy and meds, an embarrassing violation of Forum Rules, and I chose not to take it from anyone regardless of age.

I grew up in the US since age 12 and moved back not so long ago because I am Bangladeshi, come from a proud family of pious and anti-sectarian FFs with direct and still nurtured (as opposed of conjured and concocted) mulitucultural roots in the US (since 1948), Delhi (since the 1550s) and Khorasan-Iran (since GOD knows how long), and never wanted to be anything other than Bangladeshi and Bangali. Never conflated my political/cultural identity with my existential/spiritual identity (being a Monotheist as defined by the Holy Quran) either because I find them to be two totally different, incomparable things.

In fact, that's why most of my family keeps coming back here unless they marry non Bangladeshis abroad, though some are happily living here with their bideshi spouses.

Loving your country::Loving your mother. We MUST defend and take care of both rather than abandon either when in need, as simple as that.

[zinatf]

Originally Posted by Sohel NR
Code switching is a part of our linguistic heritage and we should celebrate it. That way we preserve the unique character of the language. Guys like Dr. Muhammad Shahidullah and Liberation War Martyrs Dr. Munir Chaudhury and Dr. Mofazzal Haider Chaudhury created the shuddho Bangla standard based on own experience, not the Kolkatan.

You know what Sohel Bhai, this reminded me of Humayun Faridi's interview at PA, which I read some years ago. There he was asked what one thing he dislikes in actors nowadays and he said that the inability to speak "shuddho Bangla" in public. He emphasized the fact that they as actors have a personal duty to speak it because they are the ones who are emphasizing on proper diction be it for the sake of acting....but if actors do not maintain this diction then what message will they leave to their fans....it's the habit of speaking "shuddho Bangla" that will attract the fans to speak it more often!

[Rifat]

Originally Posted by zinatf
You know what Sohel Bhai, this reminded me of Humayun Faridi's interview at PA, which I read some years ago. There he was asked what one thing he dislikes in actors nowadays and he said that the inability to speak "shuddho Bangla" in public. He emphasized the fact that they as actors have a personal duty to speak it because they are the ones who are emphasizing on proper diction be it for the sake of acting....but if actors do not maintain this diction then what message will they leave to their fans....it's the habit of speaking "shuddho Bangla" that will attract the fans to speak it more often!

I remember back in the day, 12-14 years ago when i used to live in Bangladesh, Alhamdulillah! in majority of the natoks they used to speak very very fluent Pure Bangla. I believe "69" was amongst the first natok that was meant to appeal to the younger generation which started using "slang bangla/ what people speak at home" in TV. It was really a new thing at that time, like a revolution which made "69" even more popular. I guess that's where the trend began and Bangladesh never looked back...

[Zunaid]

Sundor Bangla. Love the phrase. I grew up speaking Shuddho Bangla - something that was ingrained in us by our my parents who got their inspiration (and edict) from my nana. I didn't know people spoke any other way or was aware of the many dialectical variants in pronunciation until college (NDC). For some reason, my family and friends of family circle mostly all spoke Shundor Bangla and that was what I thought was the norm.

Subsequently though environmental osmosis - I have realized that I (and my family) have started code-switching too and replacing the chh with the s in many instances. We still speak a dialect neutral standard Bangla though.

[Zeeshan]

amar to money hoy sohel bhai ekta notun thred peye gelo...snip snip/ trimming time

[Zunaid]

Originally Posted by Zeeshan
amar to money hoy sohel bhai ekta notun thred peye gelo...snip snip/ trimming time

Aye aye ....

[Sohel]

@Zunaid: I wish I spoke genuine Noakhaillah-Chatga(n)iya-Dhakaiyah (not to be confused with the Kutti dialect) to preserve my personal Bangla heritage. I love listening to my family speak in those dialects amongst themselves.

[Banglatiger84]

Originally Posted by Sohel NR
@Zunaid: I wish I spoke genuine Noakhaillah-Chatga(n)iya-Dhakaiyah (not to be confused with the Kutti dialect) .

Interesting, what are the main things that distinguish Dhakaiya from Kutti ?

[Sohel]

Originally Posted by Banglatiger84
Interesting, what are the main things that distinguish Dhakaiya from Kutti ?

Kutti is packed with working class Urdu words. The traditional Dhakaiya Urdu is totally different BTW, and was spoken by some populist Mughlai and merchant families of old Dhaka. Most of the Mughlai families considered even that Urdu to be a little too "low" and opted to speak Farsi instead.

The Dhakaiya dialect of Bangla is what you hear amongst the non-Kutti, originally local population of Dhaka. That too is a distinct dialect derivative of the dialect in Munshiganj, Gazipur, Narshindi and other surrounding areas.

[Zeeshan]

Jaaan.... Plus diye dilam ekta Kohli_Muja bhai :p

[Nasif]

Staying abroad for half of my life has ruined my shundor bangla. Used to be much more formal with proper bangla during my school days. Now it has degenerated quite a bit. Its always "code-switched" mode with friends and family.

During my last 2 trips to BD, got some practice with shundor bangla. It wasn't enough though.

Now trying to teach my daughter shundor bangla. Downloaded grade 1 bangla books online (thanks to bd govt. for that). We are practicing during the summer

[Sohel]

^

[Sohel]

In fact, the "ShundOr" way to say the word is "ShundAUr" (as is AUstralia rather than Oman), my 12-YO nephew just pointed that out to me. He was born and is being raised in Santa Clara, California. They fly the Bangladeshi flag alongside the Stars & Stripes the way many Cuban, Mexican, Irish and Italian Americans fly the flags of their old country everywhere in the US.

Takeshi "Ken" Kamura, a close friend of mine, was born in Fresno, CA like his father before him. His grandfather emigrated from Osaka way back when and married an Irish woman. Yet both Ken and his father were sent to a special weekend school to learn all different versions of written and spoken Japanese. We can learn a lot from them and others who do the same. My XGF Mira, born and raised in San Francisco, was similarly sent to a weekend Gujrati school by her parents. Bangalis living abroad should start doing the same IMHO.

[Banglatiger84]

Good to see no one associating shuddho bangla with being west bengali so far.

Some of my friends would mock me when i said "bolechhe" or "kheyechhe" as the more natural thing for them was to say bolse/khaise

[Zunaid]

Originally Posted by Banglatiger84
Good to see no one associating shuddho bangla with being west bengali so far.

Yeah, that's different. You get some flavor of that in the Rajshahi border areas. The standard shudho Bangla is our won homegrown and accepted standard.

Originally Posted by Banglatiger84
Some of my friends would mock me when i said "bolechhe" or "kheyechhe" as the more natural thing for them was to say bolse/khaise

Change your friends.

[Antora]

Originally Posted by Banglatiger84
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Some of my friends would mock me when i said "bolechhe" or "kheyechhe" as the more natural thing for them was to say bolse/khaise

My friends mock me too , but I like to think its because they are all jealous of my ability to speak awesome Bangla