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Old September 26, 2012, 09:56 PM
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Default "My sorrow is how we lost" - Shakib speaking to Prathom Alo

http://www.prothom-alo.com/detail/da...27/news/293001

He pulled no punches. Ties in with my rant.

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 এমন বড় আসরে এসে তো দেশের ক্রিকেটের সামগ্রিক অনেক কিছু আলোচনায় চলে আসে। বিশেষ কিছু কি কখনো মনে হচ্ছে আপনার?
সাকিব: আমার শুধু মনে হয়, আমাদের ক্রিকেটে প্রতিদ্বন্দ্বিতা খুব অভাব। এই যে টিভিতে ইরানি ট্রফি দেখছি, রেস্ট অব ইন্ডিয়ার সব ব্যাটসম্যানই বলতে গেলে সেঞ্চুরি করছে। দলে যারা আছে, তাদের ওপর চাপ তৈরি করছে। আমাদের দেশে ওটা কই? আমাদের বাঁহাতি স্পিনাররা বেশি খাটে, কারণ ওরা জানে দেশে অনেক বাঁহাতি স্পিনার আছে। আমাদের দেশেই যদি আমার মতো আরেকটা প্লেয়ার থাকত যে আমার মতোই পারফর্ম করছে, তখন আমাদের দুজনের পারফরম্যান্সই আরও ভালো হতো। মনোজ তিওয়ারির ঘটনা দেখেন না, সেঞ্চুরি করার পর ১০ ম্যাচ বাইরে বসে থাকল। আমাদের দেশে কেউ সেঞ্চুরি করলে তো নিশ্চিন্তে ম্যাচের পর ম্যাচ খেলে যেত। আপনি যত কিছুই বলেন, ধরে পেটান, এই কম্পিটিশনটা না থাকলে ভেতর থেকে ওই তাগিদটা আসবে না। সাঈদ আজমল সেদিন বলছিল, দুসরা শেখার জন্য টানা চার মাস ও বল করে গেছে, ওর বউ বল ফেরত দিয়ে গেছে। আমাদের দেশে কে এমন করে? সেদিন ও সাকলায়েনের সঙ্গে কথা বলল, দক্ষিণ আফ্রিকার সঙ্গে খেলায় আমলাকে কীভাবে বল করবে জানতে চেয়ে। আমিও বসে বসে শুনলাম। হরভজন আর অশ্বিনের ঘটনা দেখেন না, অশ্বিন প্রতি ম্যাচেই ভালো করতে চেয়েছে, কারণ ও জানে হরভজন বাইরে বসে আছে। এখন হরভজন ফিরেছে, ওরা দুজনই আরও ভালো খেলবে। আমাদের দেশে এই প্রতিদ্বন্দ্বিতা ার খুব অভাব।
 এটার কারণ কী?
সাকিব: এটা বলতে গেলে অনেক কিছু আসবে। আজ এটুকুই থাক।
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Old September 26, 2012, 10:10 PM
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Old September 27, 2012, 09:45 AM
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can someone translate?
read this: http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-worl...ry/584159.html

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Shakib Al Hasan voiced his frustration at Bangladesh's early exit from the World T20s saying that the team should have taken the match against Pakistan to last five overs from "where it could [have gone] either way. But it seemed we were never in the game." Shakib also added the team's failure to do "elementary" things was annoying.

Pakistan reached the target of 176 runs with eight balls to spare. A few overs earlier, in the 16th, they completed the progress to the Super-Eights when they crossed the 139-run mark that gave them a better net run-rate than Bangladesh.

He explained how, while fielding, the basics went missing; the lack of commitment too peeved Shakib. "I didn't like the way we lost. We should have been lively after scoring 175, saved around fifteen runs while fielding. I'm talking about elementary things like standing 10 yards inside the boundary on the larger side of the ground. This is just a matter of common sense," he told Bangla daily Prothom Alo in Kandy.

"These things annoy me because neither the captain nor I can tell this every ball. Then the fielder doesn't put in the dive as the ball nears the boundary line. The dive may not work but at least the action inspires another fielder. The others will run beside the ball, without diving, seeing this,".

"This is what I expected from the team when I was the captain and even now when I'm not the captain. I think I will expect these things all the time. If we had done everything properly and lost, I wouldn't have felt so bad. I would have thought, 'they are a better team on paper and on the field and as a result we lost'. The disappointment would have been two out of 10, now it is six."

Shakib's criticism of the level of commitment is significant and though he has landed in hot water in the past for giving a forthright point of view, this time it is quiet justified. Bangladesh have now failed to qualify to the second stage in all of their last four appearances in global events starting from the 2009 World Twenty20s. They had a long build-up to this campaign but it amounted to nothing after they were struck down by Brendon McCullum's second Twenty20 international century in their first group game before giving it away to Pakistan.

Their point of inspiration should have been the way Shakib bounced back after a poor day against New Zealand. His 54-ball knock put him on top of individual scores made by a Bangladeshi in T20Is, beating Nazimuddin's 81.

"I don't normally plan anything when I go out to bat in a T20 game. After the first game against New Zealand, I realised that if I bat naturally I can have a 110-120 strike rate. I didn't have to force things. So against Pakistan when I had gathered enough confidence, I started playing my shots," he said, adding that he only thought of going for the hundred in the final over of the Bangladesh innings. "From a personal point of view, I had a good day. But the disappointment was to see the game being given away."
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Old September 26, 2012, 10:13 PM
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what really surprised me is how we saw some players on the boundary weren't diving to stop the boundaries during the game. If a world class bowlers like Steyn can dive at everything even when the match is almost won, I find this reluctance from our players truly shocking.
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Old September 26, 2012, 10:15 PM
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I hope Pybus took notice. The culprit players must be given jutar bari.
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Old September 26, 2012, 10:34 PM
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I hope Pybus took notice. The culprit players must be given jutar bari.
Jutar bari won't be enough. Kick them out of the team for good amount of time. Let them repent. I rather have bunch of no name players than these so called star players who don't give 100% in the field, who don't give his heart when playing for Bangladesh. How could they do this to us? Man I am pissed..
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Old September 26, 2012, 11:18 PM
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Notice how Shakib says " Amader deshe keu century korle nishchinte match er por match khele jeto"
I think this statement is quite disturbing. It shows the goal/ambition of our players goes only as far as getting into the national side.
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Old September 26, 2012, 11:21 PM
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Notice how Shakib says " Amader deshe keu century korle nishchinte match er por match khele jeto"
I think this statement is quite disturbing. It shows the goal/ambition of our players goes only as far as getting into the national side.
This shouldn't be news to you

Remember how Tamim (even though he is pretty much among the best we have) celebrated his back to back 4 ... wait for it ... 1/2 centuries. Half centuries? Celebrate that? Why not question why you couldn't convert? I've seen our players go gaga after getting a 50 in a losing cause. Fail. If you could not help your team win - you fail. Milestones be damned.
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Old September 26, 2012, 11:28 PM
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You are right. The various statements in the past did point to the same conclusion
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http://www.prothom-alo.com/detail/da...27/news/293001

He pulled no punches. Ties in with my rant.

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 এমন বড় আসরে এসে তো দেশের ক্রিকেটের সামগ্রিক অনেক কিছু আলোচনায় চলে আসে। বিশেষ কিছু কি কখনো মনে হচ্ছে আপনার?
সাকিব: আমার শুধু মনে হয়, আমাদের ক্রিকেটে প্রতিদ্বন্দ্বিতা খুব অভাব। এই যে টিভিতে ইরানি ট্রফি দেখছি, রেস্ট অব ইন্ডিয়ার সব ব্যাটসম্যানই বলতে গেলে সেঞ্চুরি করছে। দলে যারা আছে, তাদের ওপর চাপ তৈরি করছে। আমাদের দেশে ওটা কই? আমাদের বাঁহাতি স্পিনাররা বেশি খাটে, কারণ ওরা জানে দেশে অনেক বাঁহাতি স্পিনার আছে। আমাদের দেশেই যদি আমার মতো আরেকটা প্লেয়ার থাকত যে আমার মতোই পারফর্ম করছে, তখন আমাদের দুজনের পারফরম্যান্সই আরও ভালো হতো। মনোজ তিওয়ারির ঘটনা দেখেন না, সেঞ্চুরি করার পর ১০ ম্যাচ বাইরে বসে থাকল। আমাদের দেশে কেউ সেঞ্চুরি করলে তো নিশ্চিন্তে ম্যাচের পর ম্যাচ খেলে যেত। আপনি যত কিছুই বলেন, ধরে পেটান, এই কম্পিটিশনটা না থাকলে ভেতর থেকে ওই তাগিদটা আসবে না। সাঈদ আজমল সেদিন বলছিল, দুসরা শেখার জন্য টানা চার মাস ও বল করে গেছে, ওর বউ বল ফেরত দিয়ে গেছে। আমাদের দেশে কে এমন করে? সেদিন ও সাকলায়েনের সঙ্গে কথা বলল, দক্ষিণ আফ্রিকার সঙ্গে খেলায় আমলাকে কীভাবে বল করবে জানতে চেয়ে। আমিও বসে বসে শুনলাম। হরভজন আর অশ্বিনের ঘটনা দেখেন না, অশ্বিন প্রতি ম্যাচেই ভালো করতে চেয়েছে, কারণ ও জানে হরভজন বাইরে বসে আছে। এখন হরভজন ফিরেছে, ওরা দুজনই আরও ভালো খেলবে। আমাদের দেশে এই প্রতিদ্বন্দ্বিতা ার খুব অভাব।
 এটার কারণ কী?
সাকিব: এটা বলতে গেলে অনেক কিছু আসবে। আজ এটুকুই থাক।
sakib u r the father of bd cricket....u can say...whatever u like.... we want u back as a captain....and i know u r the man who's gona show us the morning rise....and moner anonde winter er shomoio summer vhebe pole luff deoa......we belive in u,,
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Shakib: আমরা ভালো স্পিনার, কিন্তু ওয়ার্ল্ড ক্লাস একটা স্পিনার চাই।
PA: সেই ওয়ার্ল্ড ক্লাস স্পিনারটা আপনি হতে পারেন না?
Shakib: না, আমি ভালো স্পিনার, ওয়ার্ল্ড ক্লাস না।
PA: হওয়া কি সম্ভব নয়? নাকি তা হতে জন্মগত কিছু লাগে?
Shakib: প্রতিভার একটা ব্যাপার তো থাকেই। যেমন ধরেন, আমি তো চাইলেই আজমল হতে পারব না। চাইলেও মেন্ডিসের মতো বল করতে পারব না। আমি বিশ্বাস করি, খুব চেষ্টা করলে সোয়ানের মতো বোলার হতে পারব। কিন্তু তখন আমার ব্যাটিংয়ে স্যাক্রিফাইস করতে হবে।
Not sure I'm too happy with this bit....

For those who can't read Bangla....

The interviewer basically asks him what he'd want in the team, and aside from good fielders a strike bowler(Steyn) Shakib also wanted....

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Shakib: We're good spinners...but I want a world class spinner in the side
PA: Can't you be that world class spinner?
Shakib: No, I'm a good bowler...not world class.
PA: Can't you become a world class bowler? Or do you need God given abilities...something from birth?
Shakib: There is definitely an issue with talent, for example...I can't become Ajmal, and even if I want I can't bowl like Mendis(in terms of bowling action). But I believe, if I really want it, I can become a bowler like Swann, but then I have to sacrifice my batting.
I know what he's saying...but it's almost like he's accepted that this is as good as it's going to get for him...
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Not sure I'm too happy with this bit....

For those who can't read Bangla....

The interviewer basically asks him what he'd want in the team, and aside from good fielders a strike bowler(Steyn) Shakib also wanted....



I know what he's saying...but it's almost like he's accepted that this is as good as it's going to get for him...
he's kind of right. no world class spinenr out there is also an allrounder. swan can bat a bit. but he's not selected for his allround abilities. same with warne.

he's asking for a pure spinner of world class calibre. that's fair enough. and his point about sacrificing his batting is also right. I'm pretty sure no one wants him to lose his batting. you can't have everything.
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What's wrong it with it....Whatever training Shakib take he can never become as good as Shane Warne ..and he admitted it...
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Old September 27, 2012, 01:37 AM
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What's wrong it with it....Whatever training Shakib take he can never become as good as Shane Warne ..and he admitted it...
Shane Warne wasn't merely a world class spinner...he was an immortal. There is a difference between becoming one of the best ever and a very good player. Shane Bond was a world class bowler...but no one is going to put him in a top 15 of all time pace bowlers.

There is middle ground there.

I don't like it when people put on a ceiling on their future trajectory - why can't you try to get your bowling average as low as possible AND simultaneously strive to up your batting average towards 40. You might fail...but isn't it better to try and fail than to simply accept the status quo?
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Old September 27, 2012, 01:42 AM
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Something may get lost in translation - world class to Shak might mean Warne class. I will cut him some slack, specially since he IS world class in both batting and bowling.
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WRT to the bowling comment, look at the examples he cited. Mendis. Ajmal. Really unique bowlers who can be well nigh impossible for batters. Unorthodox. No matter how hard he tries he won't get to be one of that. He's honest. He admits he can be as good as Swan, who lest we forget, has been the #1 spinner for a number of years. So he's not exactly setting a ceiling here. Remember this is the same guy, who, despite coming from a footballing family, decided he was going to be a cricketer as a teenager. Why? "Because in cricket I can see myself playing in a WC" This is the same guy who Rabeed Imam selected as one for the century when he was just 16. Why? Because of strength and clarity of mind. Self awareness need not be self-limiting.
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That's as honest to goodness an interview you can expect from a sportsman btw.
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That's as honest to goodness an interview you can expect from a sportsman btw.
That it is...I particularly liked that he didn't hide behind diplomacy. He called out his teammates for the fielding. Because as we've all discussed here many times in the past...fielding is something you CAN control.

It is about effort and hard work, simple as that.

That players lacked desire out there is an insult not only to the rest of the team, but also to those fans who spent their hard earned money to go watch Bangladesh in Sri Lanka.
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Sakib's observation about lack of competition for positions in the team is so true couldn't agree less. Having being benched at KKR he had to prove himself to make it to the squad even after being MOM. Being benched has defiantly also helped Tamim's game. We need more competition for places in the team. In the Indian team even Sachin has to compete! In our team we have players who scored a century once upon a time. These players know, somehow or the other, they will eventually get back in the team because their is no one to fill their boots!
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The most candid, truthful interview ever by one of only two world class players Bangladesh has produced to date. He's the only one with a functional cricketing brain, and awareness of the game beyond the DPL Habamoni-Mohamodon context.

{RANT] Most of our cricketers want all the money and fame they see on TV but without the sacrifice and hard work, driven by passion rather than necessity, to achieve those. They are lazy beyond belief and the alleged quality of domestic cricket actually maintains and enhances those disgusting habits.

BCB, other than the rare exceptions you can count with the fingers in one, veteran Yakuza lieutenant's hand, is packed with ignorant, talkative and egomaniacal idiots who don't get cricket at this level despite their involvement with the sport for decades. Rationalization, love of sycophancy, ethical relativism, sectarianism, dirty party and club politics, blamegaming, decontextualized statistical spin doctoring, and plain old stupidity from folks who believe they're smart, won't change the culture either.

In fact, most don't even know what smart means. They think it has something to do with looking sharp and sophisticated. I've met BCB dudes with extensive playing and organizational experiences in Dhaka who believe the words "bowl" and "ball" mean the same thing. Needless to say, they're not aware of what the latter infers. They also do "wide" and "white", "firm" and "farm", "lose" and "loose" and "decent" and "descend".

It's nothing short of a miracle that we've come this far on "natural progression" and "organic growth" alone. No other sane test playing nation has or ever will select the type and sheer number of players of players they do and their fanboys defend until kingdom come. Other boards have issues, but they would never select so many of the toothless, sightless and lazy guys as we have since day one.{/RANT]
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Really enjoyed the interview. He talked honestly and truthfully.
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Old September 27, 2012, 05:14 AM
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this just shows how much more experienced and how much more exposure shakib has had compared to everyone else. our pipeline players just don't think for themselves.

you don't need to have played international cricket to know the basic tricks of the trade. our players need education about the game..learn to think about the game.
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Old September 27, 2012, 09:08 AM
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You can feel the frustration in this interview. I think its only Shakib who understands the competitive international cricket scene.

He played in county and also in KKR and shared dressing room with many great players. As much as I despise IPL, the tournament is very demanding and there is a lot of pressure from owners, fans, and media. He knows how to fight for spot in KKR while most of our the so called 'stars' in our team are automatically selected.
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Old September 27, 2012, 09:09 AM
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Excellent article.

During BPL heard this line a lot "sharing dressing room with intrntnl stars " my phoot.
U guys sleep ,eat ,drink with Sakib and u learned nada.?
ahammok shob gula.

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Old September 27, 2012, 09:24 AM
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Shakib scored 85 and said he cant be warne/ajmal/mendis..if he tries to be them his batting will suffer..we are all praising him supporting him

R jodi shakib akta duck marto tahole ai same comment er jonne je koto gal kheto kno thik nai

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