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Old October 3, 2012, 06:51 AM
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Default Pace Pipeline

It is no secret our pace attack is in bad shape. And because we dont have a strong pipeline, there is no competition, and any injury forces selectors to push youngsters like Abul Hasan who are raw and have very little experience in the deep end. And as we all know it often end up too well.

But the thing is there are bowlers in our pipeline who are capable of pushing for a place in the side. Not saying they will be top quality, but at least they can push for a place and stir up some competition. Some of them might be young emerging bowlers. Some who have never broken into the team, and some who played for the NT in the past but are out of contention. These guys need the right coaching and support-maybe through a pace academy. And coaching not before a series, rather on a long term basis like how Indian and Sri Lankan pacers are trained. For some reason the older our pace bowlers get, the more they get out of contention. Its a contrast in other parts of the World. For example: In Sri Lanka, Chanaka Welegedara and Dhammika Prasad have made their break in international cricket in their late 20's. Can you imagine our pacers playing beyond 25? Usually doesnt happen (Except Mashrafee). Talha Jubair for instance is still relatively young-26-27. Can you imagine making him a comeback? Probably never.

So lets use this thread to discuss how emerging, and more experienced Bangladeshi pace bowlers are faring in domestic cricket, A team matches, under 19 matches etc.
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Old October 3, 2012, 06:56 AM
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Anyone aware of how Shafaq Al Zabir has been doing last couple of seasons. He'll be playing for Barisal. Its not often we get a bowler who is 6'4.
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Old October 3, 2012, 07:03 AM
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I think our pacers only work on their fitness when they are around the national team setup, otherwise bowlers liKe Talha or Taposh Baysho should have been able to make comebacks just like mohammed sami, razzaq did for pakistan. It could be due lack of facilities to be in shape but i largely blame it on lack of positive attitude. Everytime there is an interiew from a cricketer out of the side the tone is always that of a victim.

Pace bowling requires a lot of mental discipline and seeing how fat mashrafi becomes everytime he is out due to injury tells me that the need for biriyani is a lot stronger than the need to be the best at the moment.
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Old October 3, 2012, 07:07 AM
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This one's easy.

Pace pipeline? There is no pipeline.

Case closed. Let's close this thread and reopen only when we have a pacer worthy of the name.
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Old October 3, 2012, 08:57 AM
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This one's easy.

Pace pipeline? There is no pipeline.

Case closed. Let's close this thread and reopen only when we have a pacer worthy of the name.
Lol @ Shubho. I understand your frustrations mate. We dont seem to have a pipeline for batting or bowling. But there are some positives in the horizon. RP can be a very good coach, RM is back. BCB is not shy about having a full set of specialist coaches. Despite all the controversies BPL will benefit our cricket. And now trying to make first class more exciting. So yeah these are positive steps. Hopefully results will come.
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Old October 3, 2012, 08:53 AM
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I think our pacers only work on their fitness when they are around the national team setup, otherwise bowlers liKe Talha or Taposh Baysho should have been able to make comebacks just like mohammed sami, razzaq did for pakistan. It could be due lack of facilities to be in shape but i largely blame it on lack of positive attitude. Everytime there is an interiew from a cricketer out of the side the tone is always that of a victim.

Pace bowling requires a lot of mental discipline and seeing how fat mashrafi becomes everytime he is out due to injury tells me that the need for biriyani is a lot stronger than the need to be the best at the moment.
Exactly very very good point Jadukor. I doubt our guys work on their fitness outside tours, tournaments. Again a pace academy, or our high performance unit can help with this regard. Another Pakistani example (Not comeback, rather late introduction) is Aizaz Cheema who at the age of 33 can bowl over 140 comfortably.
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Old October 3, 2012, 07:22 AM
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Lots of potential but not a lot of development. Rubel, shafiul, robin, abul, the 2 kamruls, emon Ahmed, sajidul, al Amin, Abu jayed, taskin, dollar and more.
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Old October 3, 2012, 08:49 AM
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Lots of potential but not a lot of development. Rubel, shafiul, robin, abul, the 2 kamruls, emon Ahmed, sajidul, al Amin, Abu jayed, taskin, dollar and more.
Not a bad list. Then you can consider national team discards like Rasel, Shahadat, Robiul, Tareq Aziz. Then there is everybody's favorite-Nazmul Hossain. Etc. Then theres this guy Mohammad Shahzada who has been a domestic cricket hero for a long time-very consistent. He might not be national team quality but he has an impressive average of 21, just under 200 wickets.

So opened this thread to discuss how each of these guys are doing starting with NCL. Speaking of Abul he had a pretty decent spell against Sagicor
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Old October 3, 2012, 08:23 AM
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Shoja shapta kotha hochhe: batting hok, spin bowling hok, kingba pace bowling hok, khelay bhalo bhabe perform korar jonno shoreer e jemon kichhu thaaka laagey, thhik temni mathay o kichhu thaka laage.
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If we take a look at the educational background of our players and compare it with their overall performances, you will clearly see that the ones with better educational backgrounds are the ones who are on top of the lists. This applies everywhere.
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Now why am I saying this? Here's why: We all know that our pacers are not as talented or well-built as many others from the other G8 teams+ Afghanistan (Yes their pacers have impressed me quite a lot). Yes, stating the obvious. Then what are we supposed to do? Well, utilize whatever is there to the fullest and hope for the best. And what kind of a bowler can do it for us? Someone with wit and someone who has done the homework on the batsmen properly.
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Being a left arm pace bowler myself (Nothing professional, but still), whenever I am bowling, what do I try to do? Bowl an ideal line and length to start off with and then during the slog overs, try to read the batsmen's mindset and bowl accordingly. Sometimes it pays off and sometimes it does not. Now, I am not a pro but for limited overs cricket, wherever you play, this is, more or less, the ideal approach.
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Now, have our pace bowlers tried to maintain the perfect line and length? No. What have they opted for this time around (T20I WC)? Short balls that were already being battered around by Shakib and co. in the 1st innings of the Pakistan match.
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Have our pacers been respected/ gifted when they have bowled or tried to bowl just outside the off line with a perfect or nearabout length? Yes. Edges, leaves showing respect, play and misses spoke for themselves in Asia Cup and T20I world cup too.
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Bottom line is: We need to stick to basics, bowl intelligently and hope for the best. Grey matter and proper implementation akash theke eshe porbe na. Our bowlers need to study batsmen's psychology, pitch conditions and bowl accordingly. Homework and classwork are equally important in this case. Give me a break from "talented but seldom delivers" (Because I have had enough with Ashraful already).
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Old October 3, 2012, 08:48 AM
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Shoja shapta kotha hochhe: batting hok, spin bowling hok, kingba pace bowling hok, khelay bhalo bhabe perform korar jonno shoreer e jemon kichhu thaaka laagey, thhik temni mathay o kichhu thaka laage.
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If we take a look at the educational background of our players and compare it with their overall performances, you will clearly see that the ones with better educational backgrounds are the ones who are on top of the lists. This applies everywhere.
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Now why am I saying this? Here's why: We all know that our pacers are not as talented or well-built as many others from the other G8 teams+ Afghanistan (Yes their pacers have impressed me quite a lot). Yes, stating the obvious. Then what are we supposed to do? Well, utilize whatever is there to the fullest and hope for the best. And what kind of a bowler can do it for us? Someone with wit and someone who has done the homework on the batsmen properly.
...
Being a left arm pace bowler myself (Nothing professional, but still), whenever I am bowling, what do I try to do? Bowl an ideal line and length to start off with and then during the slog overs, try to read the batsmen's mindset and bowl accordingly. Sometimes it pays off and sometimes it does not. Now, I am not a pro but for limited overs cricket, wherever you play, this is, more or less, the ideal approach.
...
Now, have our pace bowlers tried to maintain the perfect line and length? No. What have they opted for this time around (T20I WC)? Short balls that were already being battered around by Shakib and co. in the 1st innings of the Pakistan match.
...
Have our pacers been respected/ gifted when they have bowled or tried to bowl just outside the off line with a perfect or nearabout length? Yes. Edges, leaves showing respect, play and misses spoke for themselves in Asia Cup and T20I world cup too.
...
Bottom line is: We need to stick to basics, bowl intelligently and hope for the best. Grey matter and proper implementation akash theke eshe porbe na. Our bowlers need to study batsmen's psychology, pitch conditions and bowl accordingly. Homework and classwork are equally important in this case. Give me a break from "talented but seldom delivers" (Because I have had enough with Ashraful already).
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Old October 3, 2012, 09:02 AM
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Pipeline diye ar hobe nah. Pipe e moila pore noshto hoye gese. Ekhon porishkar pani (pacer) ne eshe moila pani ashe (Abul, Babul, Shafiul) ashe.

Do some pacer hunting. That's how we got Mash and Rubel. Get the raw talents by this nationwide hunt and then send them to McInnes or any other specialized coach for few years.
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Old October 3, 2012, 09:35 AM
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Pipeline diye ar hobe nah. Pipe e moila pore noshto hoye gese. Ekhon porishkar pani (pacer) ne eshe moila pani ashe (Abul, Babul, Shafiul) ashe.
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Do some pacer hunting. That's how we got Mash and Rubel. Get the raw talents by this nationwide hunt and then send them to McInnes or any other specialized coach for few years.

Mash came through pacer hunt?

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Old October 3, 2012, 09:56 AM
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My bad. He was U-19 player but fast tracked to A team after Andy Roberts' recommendation.
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Old October 3, 2012, 11:50 AM
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My bad. He was U-19 player but fast tracked to A team after Andy Roberts' recommendation.
Your bad again...He came through a Talent Hunt program (not pacer hunt) and was selected straight from the U-17.
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Old October 3, 2012, 01:06 PM
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Your bad again...He came through a Talent Hunt program (not pacer hunt) and was selected straight from the U-17.
Mash along with Shafaq and Talha were noticed by Andy Roberts when Mash was only 17 years old, can’t remember if it was from pacer hunt or talent hunt. As advised by Andy, he was rushed into A team where he played practice match against national team and beat the hell out of national cricketers

After few months he was sent to India with BD A team to play against some local teams where he was taking 4/5 wickets in every single match. India national team was playing abroad at that time, their pace bowlers sucked big time. I remember reading an Indian newspaper praising Mash and they wished they had a Mash to play for India. I was over the moon after reading that.

After India series he was called into national team. He was over used, that’s why we are seeing all of these injuries. Poor mash.
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Old October 3, 2012, 09:41 AM
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Lol. I am not sure we have had any success from pace hunts. Maybe a reason why GP doesnt run it anymore. In one of the pace hunts they brought in Shahadat to inspire the youngsters (At that time Shahadat was supposed to be the fastest in the country). Shahadat's fastest delivery in that camp was 135-136. Now did he inspire or un inspire?
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Old October 3, 2012, 10:05 AM
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No mate i dont think he played for Under 19. He did well in a regional school tournament, was spotted. Worked in a short camp with Andy Roberts. Mashrafee claimed the camp changed his life. Was quickly drafted in the A team. Had a terrific tour in India where he troubled batsmen with his pace and bounce. He was so damn good he was fast tracked to the NT for a series against Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe were better than us at that point, and they got quite a surprise facing Mashrafee. Mashrafee was the only BD bowler who could make a batsman play on the backfoot and at will. In that series his fastest delivery was 147 kph, which got a huge roar from the crowd.

Imo Mashrafee is a special once in a decade talent. You just cant get a player like him just like that. But if you take his word, then the coaching by Andy Roberts helped him immensely.
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Old October 3, 2012, 10:12 AM
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He played in the U-17 team I think, beat the hell out of Oman or Singapore or some associate. A couple of years later, he was in the national team, bowling to Test batsmen.
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Old October 3, 2012, 10:18 AM
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I thought he was in U-19 but I am not too sure then. I remember watching him play alongside Ashraful and Nafees Iqbal for the U-19 team. The commentators and media used to call him 'Koushik' back then.

And yes, you are right about his talent. Once in a decade type of player.
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I thought he was in U-19 but I am not too sure then. I remember watching him play alongside Ashraful and Nafees Iqbal for the U-19 team. The commentators and media used to call him 'Koushik' back then.

And yes, you are right about his talent. Once in a decade type of player.
probably you remember the same tourney i mentioned in the previous post.

as i am trying to remember more i think pak had Reaz Afridi ..... SL had jehan Mubarak
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Old October 3, 2012, 10:43 AM
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We are Unfortunate that we didn't get Mash's service that much. After so many injuries and operations, Mash has lost bulk of his pace and aggressiveness. Feel Very sorry to see him like this.

You think Rubel got pace?? You haven't seen Mash's debut match against Zim or the series against NZ.
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Old October 3, 2012, 10:56 AM
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forgot subashis and babu, plenty of talent to be developed, should be able to develop at least of a couple into decent fast bowlers.
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Old October 3, 2012, 11:11 AM
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Pipeline ei Shahadat Shahrukh Khan er nam nei ....King Shahadat er hunker e batsmanera kupokat hoiya jai...actually I just checked he is not in pipeline but he is in drainline and our current pipeline is connected to that drainline
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Old October 3, 2012, 11:19 AM
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Gul and Mortaza started making their mark around the same time-both same age. At the beginning Mashrafe was slightly better-more pace, more aggression, more heart. But Mashrafe's multiple injuries slowed him down. Gul kept developing and today is a much better bowler. Even these days Gul can bowl in excess of 140 kph. But if you compare their records, they are pretty much neck n neck in ODI's, Mashrafe played a few more matches. Gul has done far better in tests.

Rubel was quite quick when he started 140+. Dont know what happened
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Rubel was quite quick when he started 140+. Dont know what happened
Rubel still has a lot of pace in him. When he bowls outside the sub-continent, he regularly ticks 140 Km/h. Then again, he hasn't played away for a long time now. In sub-continent conditions, I've seen him bowl at 134-138 km/h regularly in the last matches he has played. Bad luck that he's injured. He and Mashrafe are musts for our team to do well.
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