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Old September 22, 2017, 01:54 AM
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BDFlag 1 Year Anniversary of Taskin's Vindication

Well still a day to go, but exactly a year ago, Taskin overcame the great injustice of being banned from a global tournament halfway through. A tragic miscarriage of justice was finally corrected albeit 6 months too late. Slow motion videos show no discernible change in his action before and after the ban which of course raises questions as to how accurately the ICC measures these things to begin with. What is the sensitivity of the testing instruments?

Zimbabwe's Brian Vitori failed, passed, and again failed the bowling test in the space of just 10 months! Not to mention the ICC had to re-instate Kusal Perrera after independent biochemists proved that the substance found in his sample could have been produced via normal physiological reactions in the concentrations found.

Arafat Sunny was also cleared - but everyone knew he was always chucking.
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This thread is unnecessary. ICC testing may not be the best, but I am sure you have tickled some of the non-bengali members here, with this thread. Austin, Varoone will be come crawling in.
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Old September 22, 2017, 02:50 AM
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This thread is unnecessary. ICC testing may not be the best, but I am sure you have tickled some of the non-bengali members here, with this thread. Austin, Varoone will be come crawling in.
There was no mention of India as I no longer think the BCCI had anything to do with it. Austin and Vahroone can troll all they want but the fact is man never chucked, isn't chucking now, and no reason to believe he will chuck in the future.
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There was no mention of India as I no longer think the BCCI had anything to do with it. Austin and Vahroone can troll all they want but the fact is man never chucked, isn't chucking now, and no reason to believe he will chuck in the future.
Even if he was unbanned, which he was, bloke still spends majority of his life posting selfies, he is a part time cricketer, full-time model.
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Even if he was unbanned, which he was, bloke still spends majority of his life posting selfies, he is a part time cricketer, full-time model.
Jealous!?
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There was no mention of India as I no longer think the BCCI had anything to do with it.
Aha what a relief

BTW How are you doing Furqan da? Its been quite a while since we last spoke. Good to see you distancing yourself from silly conspiracy theories. You are a fine poster when you direct your time and energy to write genuine and constructive posts about cricket.
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Old September 22, 2017, 11:19 AM
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Aha what a relief

BTW How are you doing Furqan da? Its been quite a while since we last spoke. Good to see you distancing yourself from silly conspiracy theories. You are a fine poster when you direct your time and energy to write genuine and constructive posts about cricket.
Well, don't get too excited. There is no proof BCCI wasn't involved either. The issue is the fiasco can be explained by a much simpler explanation.

The ICC are a basketcase. Once they agreed on the need for a league system its taken them 4+ years to actually implement it. They change the WC format every tournament going back to the last 3-4 tournaments. They ban a guy for doping, then unban him when confronted by specialist biochemists. I don't remember if you are a Bengali or not, but there is a phrase that comes to mind "kono aga na, matha nai" (no front, no head) essentially meaning the ICC is an inept organization and therefore cannot be trusted especially in instances where your eyes can see the truth.

Its like Sean Spicer arguing about Trump's crowd size. ICC said he was chucking but everyone can see that he never was.
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Well, don't get too excited. There is no proof BCCI wasn't involved either. The issue is the fiasco can be explained by a much simpler explanation.
So all my excitement was for nothing? bad bad day

BTW just between you and me, what if I tell you BCCI did a fantastic job in covering their tracks

On a serious note ICC is a basket case indeed, I think an overwhelming majority of cricket fans will agree with you on that. Cricket badly missing Dalmia saab.
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Look at Anamul, posts selfies and scores big in domestics. Meanwhile Taskin, posts selfies and bowls half trackers, full tosses, short length balls and some of his fans say, he is unlucky. Forget Imrul, this guy gets a free pass into all our ODI, even though he produces jack.
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Taskin was rightfully banned. Umpires get the best view of a bowers action and they found something wrong with taskin's bowling action which is why they reported him. Later their doubt was proven right when taskin failed to pass the formal test.

Thanks to bcci and ICC for being extremely strict as far as banning suspected bowers is concerned. They deserve a thumbs up for showing absolutely no leniency towards the chuckers.
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Old September 22, 2017, 09:32 AM
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Taskin was rightfully banned. Umpires get the best view of a bowers action and they found something wrong with taskin's bowling action which is why they reported him. Later their doubt was proven right when taskin failed to pass the formal test.

Thanks to bcci and ICC for being extremely strict as far as banning suspected bowers is concerned. They deserve a thumbs up for showing absolutely no leniency towards the chuckers.
ICC also said Kusal Perrera was doping.

ICC also cleared Vitori and he got reported again in his first game back and failed the test again.

ICC's test has no sensitivity whatsoever. Its probably not even 50% sensitive with loads of false positive and false negative results.

Asides from that youtube videos don't lie...you can see for yourself there is no change in his bowling action before and after the ban.
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ICC also said Kusal Perrera was doping.
False equivalence. These two incidents r entirely different in nature and therefore should be treated differently. Perrera's case was an isolated incident where the lab experts mistakenly found a banned substance in pererra's blood.

Just because it has happened once doesn't necessarily mean that every test that has been carried out under ICC's supervision is wrong

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ICC also cleared Vitori and he got reported again in his first game back and failed the test again.
Not really sure what's ur point here. It's quite clear that vitori was bending his arm over 15 degree limit which is why he was initially banned. But he worked on his bowling to fix his action and later when he took the test again his action was found alright.

But probably he wasn't feeling that much comfortable with his new bowling action or perhaps it wasn't penetrative enough which is why he again started to chuck and thought that nobody would be able to catch him. Not so sure what's the problem here.
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ICC's test has no sensitivity whatsoever. Its probably not even 50% sensitive with loads of false positive and false negative results.

Wrong again. Barring that irrelevant dope test of perera there haven't been a single incident where a cricketer was banned wrongfully, but here u r talking avout loads of false positive results lol.

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Asides from that youtube videos don't lie...you can see for yourself there is no change in his bowling action before and after the ban.
Again, it's extremely difficult for normal viewers to distinguish between legal and illegal bowling action by viewing still pictures or video footages.

Besides this, most of taskin's normal deliveries were found legal in the formal test too. It's his fast bouncy deliveries which were declared illegal since taskin was bending his arm more than 15 degrees to get excess speed and bounce. This is why u won't be able to see much differences between taskin's present and past bowling action.
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False equivalence. These two incidents r entirely different in nature and therefore should be treated differently. Perrera's case was an isolated incident where the lab experts mistakenly found a banned substance in pererra's blood.
You are mistaken, as you are 99% of the time when you post.

The ICC's lab did NOT mistakenly find a banned substance. They correctly found a banned substance. However, independent biochemists were consulted and they confirmed the substance found, in the concentration in which it was found, could have resulted from normal metabolism.

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Not really sure what's ur point here. It's quite clear that vitori was bending his arm over 15 degree limit which is why he was initially banned. But he worked on his bowling to fix his action and later when he took the test again his action was found alright.

But probably he wasn't feeling that much comfortable with his new bowling action or perhaps it wasn't penetrative enough which is why he again started to chuck and thought that nobody would be able to catch him. Not so sure what's the problem here.
The problem with your theory is, why would Vitori chuck on purpose during his 2nd test? How can his action change so quickly so as to yield 3 different results in the space of 1 year?
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Not really. If the video is decent in quality, and you slow it down, you can notice 15 degrees of curvature. 90 degrees is a right angle (L), 15 degrees is one sixth of that and very noticeable. Further as the arm is in motion you can see flexion and extension.

When he was cleared his averaged was quoted by cricinfo to be 4 degrees. 15 is way more than 4 and would have yielded a markedly different appearance, especially on slow motion.

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You are mistaken, as you are 99% of the time when you post.

The ICC's lab did NOT mistakenly find a banned substance. They correctly found a banned substance. However, independent biochemists were consulted and they confirmed the substance found, in the concentration in which it was found, could have resulted from normal metabolism.
Looks like u've difficulties in understanding very basic things Furqan bhai. Allow me to make it simpler for u.

A banned substance was found in perera's body and he was rightfully banned. It's the way things r usually done. The banned substance that was found in perera's body could have come from a banned drug or could have resulted from normal metabolism. But first thing that a respective authority can do in such cases is ban the suspect immediately and give him the opportunity to defend himself.


ICC have done exactly that. They gave perera the opportunity to defend himself and clear himself of all the charges. Nobody can say with certainty that perera did not take any performance enhancing drug but he was given benefit of the doubt.

But u r comparing this incident with taskin's ban which is entirely a different thing. Ur logic is pretty poor to be completely honest. Just because a man got himself cleared after appealing against a court judgement doesn't necessarily mean that every single decision that was taken by the previous court was wrong.



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The problem with your theory is, why would Vitori chuck on purpose during his 2nd test? How can his action change so quickly so as to yield 3 different results in the space of 1 year?
Vitori didn't chuck out purpose. He was simply not skillful enough to maintain his correct action. He got cleared when he took the test after remodeling his action but with time he again forgot that and his old habit came back. Umpires caught that again and they were proven in test once again.



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Not really. If the video is decent in quality, and you slow it down, you can notice 15 degrees of curvature. 90 degrees is a right angle (L), 15 degrees is one sixth of that and very noticeable. Further as the arm is in motion you can see flexion and extension.

When he was cleared his averaged was quoted by cricinfo to be 4 degrees. 15 is way more than 4 and would have yielded a markedly different appearance, especially on slow motion.
Ur attempt of identifying the angle of a bending arm from still pictures and videos is getting quite hilarious Bro. U can bend ur arm as much as u wish during bowling, what u can't do as a bowler is stretch it more than 15 degrees while delivering the ball.

And calculating the angle of stretched arm by reviewing still pictures and slow motion video is quite difficult if not impossible.


Taskin was chucking before his ban and his ban was justified. If he felt that he was accused wrongly he could've taken another test in another lab just like perera did. But obviously he was blatantly chucking before the ban which he is why bcb wanted him to remodel his action and send him for test after a prolonged period of time.



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From now on, stick to topics you know something about in future.
I know it has been quite difficult for u buddy. U've been proven wrong again and again. First it was about Tendulkar's lack of clutch innings in high pressure games, then it was about fizz and now taskin.

But what can I do bud. Sometimes It's quite difficult to agree with ur absurd claims. 😁
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Furqan bro, do you remember how once you went all gaga about Taskin?

When I said his a rubbish test bowler? You challenged me.

Than what happen bro? He got dropped from Test squad.

Now an unknown SA-XI is bullying him... LOL
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Furqan bro, do you remember how once you went all gaga about Taskin?

When I said his a rubbish test bowler? You challenged me.

Than what happen bro? He got dropped from Test squad.

Now an unknown SA-XI is bullying him... LOL
Dude, relax, you're not important enough for me to need to challenge you. You have 2200 posts. First get to 10,000 with quality. You are barely past Eclipse level.
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Dude, relax, you're not important enough for me to need to challenge you. You have 2200 posts. First get to 10,000 with quality. You are barely past Eclipse level.
Brother I probably have over 20,000+ post. Let's not go in detail.

I do remember telling you on that pace thread that I have noted what you said. Lol.

You were very arrogant in dismissing mine/other people's view on how rubbish Taskin is.
I remember saying how I think Roy is much better than Taskin..

Sometimes you claim to be a senior bro, I find that funny. You give the picture like you know a lot about cricket.

In fact I just think you maybe another Mushfiqur Rahim. A senior for sure.
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Brother I probably have over 20,000+ post. Let's not go in detail.

I do remember telling you on that pace thread that I have noted what you said. Lol.

You were very arrogant in dismissing mine/other people's view on how rubbish Taskin is.
I remember saying how I think Roy is much better than Taskin..

Sometimes you claim to be a senior bro, I find that funny. You give the picture like you know a lot about cricket.

In fact I just think you maybe another Mushfiqur Rahim. A senior for sure.
Roy is better than Taskin in tests. If you were able to spot that awhile back than kudos to you dude.

Some people just equate being old with being better.
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Roy is better than Taskin in tests. If you were able to spot that awhile back than kudos to you dude.

Some people just equate being old with being better.
Nope. Old doesn't mean you are better or have better intelligence than others. Someone who is younger can have much better analytical intelligence than someone older. Look at historical example (wars, politics etc), there are many example of how the young has done much better than the old. It's a flawed logic.Take BC as an example also, many times even the seniors get judgement call wrong. Sometimes the new breed outsmart the old ones, that's life.

I can tell you.. if you remove a old mushy from captaincy and give the young Mehedi the captainy.. he will prove age is just a mere number.. it's the intelligence that counts...

No one is perfect. We learn as we go along.. that's also part of life etc
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Dude, relax, you're not important enough for me to need to challenge you. You have 2200 posts. First get to 10,000 with quality. You are barely past Eclipse level.
Holy crap.

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4 overs 19 runs with 1 maiden, that too against a CSA XI side, I am sure we have better bowlers at camp than this guy.
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About Taskin, I still believe he has got potential and fine prospect for BD, more than coach he needs a mentor to guide him and who could kick his a$$ and slap him back to reality time to time.
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About Taskin, I still believe he has got potential and fine prospect for BD, more than coach he needs a mentor to guide him and who could kick his a$$ and slap him back to reality time to time.
I don't know if you watch BPL.

Taskin had an overall economy rate of 8+.
One of the highest amongst pacers and spinners!

The sad part was..
He was being butchered by domestic bowlers that were hitting him freely for boundaries!

He may survive in shorter form of the game..
but no chance in test cricket.
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