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Old June 20, 2004, 08:34 AM
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India's coach John Wright is a former New Zealand opener whose hiring in 2000 was ciriticised, but his efforts have transformed India as the second best team behind Australia.

While Wright produced results, local icons like Kapil Dev could not. Miandad failed to last through all three of his coaching tenures in Pakistan.

Bangladesh, still searching for their first win at Test level, now has Whatmore holding the reins and on their recent tour of the West Indies showed signs of resurgence.

"I don't agree that the brown man can't coach but foreigners like Woolmer, Wright and Whatmore have a more professional view and these people are the best in the business," Raja said.

"It's not a matter of snubbing our own man but its a matter of hiring the best and that's what India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh have done."
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Old June 20, 2004, 08:42 AM
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i agree with what raja said there.

we sub continent teams do have the best coaches in the world.
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Old June 20, 2004, 09:47 AM
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Pakistan players are known for their indiscipline and disunity. It will be interesting to see how Woolmer deals with a team like Pakistan. In fact it will be interesting to see how long Woolmer himself survives. In Pakistan cricket, coaches get changed after Pak loses to India. It happened in 2003 in World Cup and it happened again in Pakistan in 2004. So Woolmer's continuation will also depend on the outcome of Pakistan's matches with India.
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Old June 20, 2004, 09:50 AM
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Wasim, Waqar disagree with change of Pak team coach

Former Pakistan captains and celebrated fast bowlers, Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis have not backed the Pakistan Cricket Board’s decision to remove Javed Miandad as coach and replace him with Englishman Bob Woolmer.

Both the speed merchants are bamboozled by the PCB’s bizarre sacking of national coach Javed Miandad earlier this week.

"I thought Javed bhai deserved better," Waqar told an Indian newspaper while Wasim felt that signing Woolmer for a four-year period was a ‘funny’ decision.

"In our part of the world, you lose one series and you are gone. The fans, the media and the whole nation react senselessly if we lose to India. The Indians appear to have matured with Sourav at the helm but we are still struggling with the affliction," Waqar lamented.

While Wasim’s view was: "Signing Bob Woolmer for a four-year contract is funny. In Pakistan even the chairman of the cricket board doesn’t know what the future holds for him. How much zing can the ‘laptop coach’ put into the boys is a big question mark."

Both the W’s are again hunting as a pair as they have been hired by ESPN-Star Sport for their Samsung Cricket Show that goes on air this Sunday.

The duo may have swapped the ball with the microphone now, but they are still considered the finest exponents of reverse swing the game has known.

"People think we were rivals that we’d pick up bats to hit each other; there was no such thing. We had a professional rivalry, which meant that if Wasim got five wickets, I’d try to get five wickets too. Ultimately, this benefited the team," Waqar, who was known all around the cricket circles for his tow-crushing yorkers, said. Wasim, globally recognised as the bowler with extraordinary skills of producing variety of deliveries, retired last year shortly after the World Cup in South Africa, while Waqar who was sacked as captain after that competition, announced his retirement recently during the home series against India.

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Old June 20, 2004, 12:17 PM
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Not very sensible comment Wasim/Wakar.. infact surprisingly arrogant and shallow!
These attitudes r probably responsible for Pakistan team's recent decline..!
Woolmer's reputation is undoubtable... though its not a good precedent also to sack a coach before his term ends(Miandad-another example that good players r not always good coaches) .
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Old June 20, 2004, 01:03 PM
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interesting, all big name is coaching starts with W. now, waht is the reason for brown coaching failure? mind it, india sub got more great players than any other region, but does not have a single great coach (we might try to pull dav as a desi since he's born at srilanka).
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Old June 21, 2004, 10:48 AM
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i guess than when whatmore leaves us we should look for a coach whose name starts with 'W'. that should be our main criteria. cuz if that is fulfilled then we can be quite certain that he is going to be a good coach.
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Old June 21, 2004, 01:08 PM
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So, let's get Wakar or Wasim to coach our bowlers.

BTW, welcome back FRB!
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Old June 21, 2004, 03:13 PM
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i guess than when whatmore leaves us we should look for a coach whose name starts with 'W'. that should be our main criteria. cuz if that is fulfilled then we can be quite certain that he is going to be a good coach.
two critaria needed:

1. name starts with a W.
2. not a brown guy.
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Old June 22, 2004, 12:02 AM
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lol agentsmith bhai.....
that was a good one indeed.
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Old June 22, 2004, 03:53 PM
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Hmm, would you brand Whatmore as a "white" guy then? Imho, he qualifies for bright-brown.

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i guess than when whatmore leaves us we should look for a coach whose name starts with 'W'. that should be our main criteria. cuz if that is fulfilled then we can be quite certain that he is going to be a good coach.
two critaria needed:

1. name starts with a W.
2. not a brown guy.
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Old June 22, 2004, 04:13 PM
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yeah, he's not brown. a white origin but burned his color because of topical sun, living in srilanka and now in bd. the bottom line is, there is not a single good coach from a desi people.... wait a second, how should i say this because owen matau is good.

let me repeat it, no coach from india or pakistan. period. they could never produce a geat coach and will never be able to do. a great player requires mostly talent. a great coach requires determination, honestly, and "feeling" for duty. they lack it.
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Old June 22, 2004, 06:50 PM
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The subcontinental players do not want to take coaching as a career choice seriously. People such as Gavaskar, Imran or Bedi have no reason to run after more accolades after what they achieved in their cricketing lives. They all belong to the upper echelons of society and do not need the gruelling routine of coaching. Some have the easy job of playing with the microphone which also pays handsomely.

It's the culture. These guys wern not any less dedicated than Grinidge, Woolmer, Pybus or others as cricketers. The lifestyle and the consequential choices are vastly different. In Bangladesh, the millonaires do not work. After working hard for their money, they don't build industries or do R&D. They relax, sit back and watch their money grow. Same with these cricketers.

Think of Woolmer's daily life: Flying all over the world, consulting every kind of competitive sports, even businesses, keeping himself up-to-date with all the high -tech tools that are coming up, reading up on all new psychological profiling tests and what not. I'm sure in the process, he is building enormous wealth for himself amongst other things. In the subcontinent, things are different. We are easily satisfied, believe deeply in afterlife, and lose interest in success based on our ideology and theological reasoning.

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Old June 22, 2004, 08:09 PM
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well one reason why subcontinent players do not look forward to becoming coaches but players from other countries want to be coaches after retiring is because in the subcontinent cricketers are the most paid among all of the players. however, situation in england or australia is not the same. compare what bechkham gets and maybe nusser hussain or maybe flintoff gets. dannabad.
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Old June 22, 2004, 11:55 PM
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What about Sandip Patil of India. He was the coach of Kenya till the World Cup 2003. To lead them to semifinal of WC 2003 and enable his team to notch ODI victories over SriLanka and India is something Whatmore has not been able to achieve for BD.
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Old June 23, 2004, 12:26 AM
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thats more of the story of moris odumbe and steve tickolo than of shandip haari-patil. i mean kenya was a promising team even before he took over and beat india in india's land and WI during world cup long time ago. the problem is, kenya is not producing new crecketers. other than that they are a good team.

if we play against kenya 10 times, how many time we'll lose? i wonder. that is the reason whatmore is not able to achieve that kenya has already achieved.

u can also think of it like this, if sandip patil was bd coach, we'll lost our odi status by now. and if whatmore was kenyan coach, kenya would probably win the world cup, or may be runers up closely losing to australia.

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Old June 23, 2004, 08:54 AM
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How come Sri Lanka, a better team than Kenya could not win the world cup or narrowly finish second in the 2003 World cup? After all it was being coached by Whatmore at that time. And what is more SriLanka dropped Whatmore after this World cup and signed up John Dyson.



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i agree with what raja said there.

we sub continent teams do have the best coaches in the world.
Ya, I agree with you.
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Old September 4, 2004, 06:10 AM
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TextHow come Sri Lanka, a better team than Kenya could not win the world cup or narrowly finish second in the 2003 World cup? After all it was being coached by Whatmore at that time. And what is more SriLanka dropped Whatmore after this World cup and signed up John Dyson.
That is because Kenya played and beaten Sri Lanka AT HOME, and for Sri Lanka Africa is NOT HOME.

Furthermore, Kenya got some points even without playing New Zealand as New Zealand gave their points away to Kenya for not wanting to go to Kenya.

And then again, Sri Lanka team is good when the pitch is turning and low bounce as they have loads of spinners in their team and their batsman are more comfortable playing spin, and their batsman are not too accustomed to playing on too many bouncy pitches. In South Africa, the pitches are bouncy. This is why the current Sri Lanka team is producing lots of TALL FAST BOWLERS. they're trying to overcome their shortcomings.

And Whatmore has been with the Sri Lankan team for ages (may be for 5 to 6 years with a break of a few years in the middle) and they needed a change, so they finished their contract with Whatmore.
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Old September 4, 2004, 02:15 PM
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humm kothin kothin shob analysis aikhane..........but besh guruttopurno bepar shepar.
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