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Old October 15, 2010, 10:03 AM
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The million dollar question for me is what will happen after Mash comes back??? Last time during the WI tour when he got injured Shakib grabbed his position like there no tomorow (rightly so), this time again amar kase mone hoy abar o moyna mashrafeer position khabe.

If the selectors are smart they'll let Mashrafee captain the Zim series if he's fit by then inshallah. Since he hasnt had many opportunities to show his full potential as captain unlike bossman. That should decide who will captain during worldcup
Just saw Mashrafi's interview on Ntv news. Mash said that if Shakib wants the captaincy, he'll step aside as he thinks Shakib is the best person to do the job. But if Shakib doesn't want the captaincy, he'll be happy to continue.
Bashar & Pilot want Mash to continue till the world cup. They want Shakib as captain for a long period after the WC.
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Old October 15, 2010, 10:57 AM
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The amount of time Shakib spent saving our butts and single-handedly leading us to an historic series win because the pink ponies in the team were too busy being graceful, Mashrafe would have spent drenching his jersey - not in sweat but in tears.

Mashrafe can lead us, but he can't lead us to glory. If you have vision, make Shakib the captain. If you want to lose to associates, Mashrafe is your man.
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Old October 15, 2010, 11:34 AM
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Well, we don't know what would have happened, but cricwizard certainly have some valid points. I am going to look ahead to the WC and assuming Mash is healthy, its an all but certainty that he will be in the starting XI. However, in all probability, since the WC is at our home condition, we will field three spinners ( Sakib, Raj and probably Shuvo ), and two pacers. If that is the case, we will have to sacrifice one of Shafiul or Rubel to accomodate Mash. To me, right now, the two younger guys have much more upside than Mash. He was never a good death over bowler, and now that he looks considerably less pacy after a few bout with injuries, there is even less probability that he will get better than he was back before his injuries. If Shafi and Rubel contiue to get better under Pont, as all the indications point towards that, we will have a dillema at our hands. If you hand him back the captaincy, then you automatically assure him of his spot in the team, and I don't think that's such a good idea right now. Sakib should be made the permanent captain now, all the way to WC, no ifs and buts. In the meantime, we hope that Mash fights back from his injury and gets back to his old self. But, thats a lot of hope and prayers. Injuries have pre-maturely derailed the careers of many great fast bowlers, much better caliber bowlers than Mash, so hope and prayers should not cloud any judgement when its selection time for a big occassion like the World Cup. If I am the selector, I will definitely take the captaincy away from him, so I am left with some flexibility when its time to make the right but hard decision.
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Old October 15, 2010, 11:50 AM
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Face it. M-ASHRAF-e is not match fit and I do not think he ever will be. So, his value to the team as best equal to that ASHRAF-ul's! The difference between them in terms of value to them is negligible. Much less than the their names!
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Old October 15, 2010, 11:50 AM
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Just saw Mashrafi's interview on Ntv news. Mash said that if Shakib wants the captaincy, he'll step aside as he thinks Shakib is the best person to do the job. But if Shakib doesn't want the captaincy, he'll be happy to continue.
Bashar & Pilot want Mash to continue till the world cup. They want Shakib as captain for a long period after the WC.
That tells you what a great person Mashrafe is. I think Mash is just unlucky. We all know that with our strengh we could have easily beaten WI "A" team and If Mash was not injured he would've led us to the series victory. And if that was the case I am sure none of us would say that Mash is not captaincy material. He was the reason why Abahoni won the DPL with a very weak team 2/3 years back. I know Int cricket and domestic cricket are 2 different things but he showed that he has what it takes to be the captain.
But with all these injuries I highly doubt that Mash will be as lethal as he used to be, on top of that I think the other players would not like to see the change of leadership every now and then either. So I want Shak to continue. Thats best for the team
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Old October 15, 2010, 12:31 PM
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It is most likely that if Mash is fully recovered in 4 weeks, he will be given back his captaincy and if he can prove himself lethal both in own performance and captaincy - then he will be considered for WC captaincy. It is also likely that after WC Mash may retire. If Mash still struggles to recover and unable to make ZIM series then board will have no choice but to announce longer term captaincy to Shakib.

Shakib remains the top performer in the team assuming he sustains his form as he has been last few months. Lets not mix up performance and leadership. Shakib is surely leading from the front but some of his actions often cause worry. He needs more time to mature his leadership and giving him more time to mature is good for Shakib and good for BD team in a long run. Perhaps one more season in county will make him more capable in dealing with ambiguity. His action towards a spectator during the 4th match and his action when Mash was back in the team and his comments on players on media when he was captain last time- does not make him a sure shot captain right now. But if Mash is not fit, Shakib will have to step in for longer term and we shall hope for the best.

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Old October 15, 2010, 01:23 PM
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Can you tell me how it wouldve afffected our wins Mash was here? Look at Rubel. He played 2 games
first game he got 1 wicket in 8 overs giving 39 runs. and one last ODI, he got 1 wicket giving 42 runs in 10 overs. His figures were good....but please explain how Mash couldn't have done better. Mashrafee can take 2 wickets in 10 overs with no problem. He is by far a better bowler at death overs than Rubel and also a little better than Shafi. Also recently he ahs turned into a all rounder. He can slog better than any others (Except Shakib)

Sakib is our top performer here because its a spin friendly pitch from the start. That does not mean Mash is a bad bowler.

Talking about captaincy, i always think Sakib is a little selfish captain. He is always reluctant to use off spinners like Mahmudullah. Look at Mahmudullah's figures. He took 2 wickets in each game still he was barely used... why?
He thinks he is doing a favor to Bangladesh cricket by being a captain...! Why?? It should be an honor and he should be proud of it.
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Old October 15, 2010, 01:58 PM
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^Rinathq, your credibility goes out of the window when you say Mashrafi is a good death over bowler & even better than Shafiul at that. Funny.
And slogging doesn't make you an allrounder. In the last match very few boundary shots from Shakib were slogs. He's capable of getting the boundaries by timing & precision.
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Old October 15, 2010, 03:44 PM
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He is by far a better bowler at death overs than Rubel and also a little better than Shafi. Also recently he ahs turned into a all rounder.
Bhyia please use statistics and your brain before making such comments. Mash is actually the worst dead over bowler in the team by any standard.
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Old October 15, 2010, 03:52 PM
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Mash can sit out in future as well.

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Old October 15, 2010, 04:35 PM
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The amount of time Shakib spent saving our butts and single-handedly leading us to an historic series win because the pink ponies in the team were too busy being graceful, Mashrafe would have spent drenching his jersey - not in sweat but in tears.

Mashrafe can lead us, but he can't lead us to glory. If you have vision, make Shakib the captain. If you want to lose to associates, Mashrafe is your man.
The thing is some are afraid that too much pressure apparently ruins the career. I disagree. Earlier the better. I don't think making Shakib the captain will create any extra burden than he already has.
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Old October 15, 2010, 04:58 PM
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Mash should be brought back when he can ball a reliable 10 overs. Not to knock on him but he should be one of the best picks for the pace bowling slots to be considered for the XI let alone captaincy. At this point in his career it is very hard to rate him above Shafiul, Rubel or Nazmul. His death over bowling is so bad it becomes a necessity to bowl him out early which does not allow to play the match based on the situation.

I'm not so sure if the 3-0 result in the absense of Mash, Ash and Tamim is purely a coincidence.
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Old October 15, 2010, 05:21 PM
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The thing is some are afraid that too much pressure apparently ruins the career. I disagree. Earlier the better. I don't think making Shakib the captain will create any extra burden than he already has.
I agree. Thinking like a sissy never got anyone close to anything, let alone becoming champs. If people at the BCB are afraid that captaincy will ruin his career, then I say fire those infidels, because breeding fear is a sin punishable only by failure and failure is all that we're destined to with that kind of thinking.

Batman became a winner by rising up to a swarm of bats and showing them the finger. Before that, he was a sissy. We can only win once we start to want it bad and letting Mashrafe captain will prove otherwise.
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Old October 15, 2010, 05:33 PM
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i think shakib realizes he's the only man who can lead this team. he needs to be made the permenet captain, with mushy as his deputy. mashrafee can go down at any time.

Beamer brings out an interesting point, what do we do with our bowling options come WC. do we go with shuvo as the third spinner? shafi and rubel have made strong cases for their inclusions, and at this point shafi has a significant edge over the RBX. but both have bowled some excellent spells the past several months. but they can both be thwacked to the tune of 9 runs per over. we cannot afford that, not when our prefered method of batting in the powerplay is "block, block, block, slog for a single".

i wish we had more matches for shubho to show his worth, instead of just 3 games against NZ. zimbabwe, thankfully aren't as inept with the bat anymore, but will that be adequate to judge shubho's value? i think against the likes of the WI and the associates, that should be good enough.
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At the end of the day as much as everyone wishes Mashrafee could come roaring back and be a valuable part of the team, it's not very likely to happen. There have been far worse - far far far worse - captains of Bangladesh than Shakib. The team should stabilize with only a few months ahead of the WC, and Mashrafee should come back if he can claim a spot on the team as an allrounder or bowling option. Switching the captaincy back to Mashrafee when his fitness is questionable and the current guy is doing better than anyone before him creates turmoil. Having said that, I remember the time Mashrafee first burst on to the scene - Bangladesh's first real pacer prospect. He's put a lot of service in for the team, but he's not been able to play a significant amount of time in quite a while. He should worry about keeping his place on the team, not the captaincy. And his place is threatened not by his ability, because he still has a great deal to give to the team, but his inability to stay injury-free. In the past, Bangladesh cricket authorities have used captaincy as a way to retain players who were past their prime and couldn't otherwise compete for a place on the team. Two that come to mind are Khaled Mahmud Sujon and even Ashraful played because they were "captain". Hope this is not repeated with Mash.
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Old October 15, 2010, 10:53 PM
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I agree. Thinking like a sissy never got anyone close to anything, let alone becoming champs. If people at the BCB are afraid that captaincy will ruin his career, then I say fire those infidels, because breeding fear is a sin punishable only by failure and failure is all that we're destined to with that kind of thinking.

Batman became a winner by rising up to a swarm of bats and showing them the finger. Before that, he was a sissy. We can only win once we start to want it bad and letting Mashrafe captain will prove otherwise.
Good one, I'd still prefer Shakib given that it doesn't affect his performance.
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asif bhai u can't really complain,shakib himself said that captaincy affects his performance
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Old October 16, 2010, 03:31 AM
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asif bhai u can't really complain,shakib himself said that captaincy affects his performance
Not really. He said he wants to be captain for a long period, not temporarily, so that he can implement his plan with the team.
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Old October 16, 2010, 03:42 AM
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Mash should not be back in Test or ODI, at best in T20. It's for his safety as well. We really don't need him as a captain. As a bowler, I'm sure he is on decline and it's much better for us to keep trying other pacers to fill up his slot permanently.

We could have lost a few matches if Mash was the captain, specially the first & third matches. Shakib took 49th over even after being tired with that century, just because he was captain, if mash was there, shak wouldnt do that/Mash wouldnt have called him to do that.

So, I find it's better for us to keep Shakib as the captain and Mash out of the Test and ODI teams.
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