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Old February 21, 2011, 01:42 PM
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Nafees could be our PP solution. Why dont train him to be a PP specialist ? why in the gods green earth do we keep relying on players like Riyad, Rock and co to do the job when its not in their abilities ?
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Old February 21, 2011, 02:29 PM
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With his current form, either he would give us 3 ball 4 run or a 30 ball 12 run.

If we want a 20 ball 30, we should include one legged Mashrafee instead. He could even give better econ rate with his spin bowling. Never under estimate the Mashrafee the spinner.


agree with you bro even 80% fit Mashrafe would bowl and bat way better than Riyad and Naeem.
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Old February 21, 2011, 02:42 PM
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^^ No way Ash, He brings in some sort of plague to the team. Rock is currently doing a good job, y drop him?
I agree.... Just because we lost to India we are asking for ASH.... He does not bring anything on the table at this point. We need to bring in shuvo in place on nayeem or Ryad. I dont see anything wrong with bowling first eccept for the wayward bowling by the bowlers. I think India would have bowled first too if they won the toss. We gave up too many runs... otherways it would have been very winable game even if India scored 300.
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Old February 21, 2011, 03:29 PM
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I think we can do only two things to get the PP situation under control. Take it from 15-20 overs or bring in Ash/Aftab for the hitting. I know Aftab is not even in the rader of any of the GPS hovering in the Sky, but I don't understand how HE managed that.
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Old February 22, 2011, 08:37 AM
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...So, we identified the problem, but we are also trying to solve a problem with other problems. It will not work. But, the squad is poor one, and we don't have options in it to pick players who excel in batting lower down the order. So, we are left with no choice but to tinker with players/positions who are available.

That's why I proposed the PP ensuing with the second new ball ( 34 th -35 th ) and basically had to pick Ash and Nafis simply because they are available, and crucially, they have more experience with new ball and field restriction that Naeem, Riyad and Rock. I very much wanted the new generation of Riyad and co to succeed, but given whats at stake, they need to be removed. And, No, the two game chance don't apply. Ireland game is the WC. We lose, and we are basically out, so no margin of error. Given what we have in the squad, our only options are having Naifs and Ash play at no.6 and no.7, with the PP coming immediately with the second new ball. Once again, their mind set should be as if they are opening an innings, rather than slogging mentality, and they can slog if they can stick around till the end. Now, the Riyad-Naeem combo can't slog or can't bat like opener-/no.3.

One huge benefit of taking the PP early in the 34 th as opposed to 45th ( which we have been doing )is that it will also force the opposition to bring in their best pacers/bowlers early. Now a days they easily use their part timers and someone who is having a bad day in the middle overs. They know they can save the best for the last five overs when we take our PP. They basically offer their best and we offer our worst players for field restrictions ! Makes no sense to me.

I am sticking with that team for the remainder of the WC. I think that gives us the best chance from THIS SQUAD. Of course, Shuvo and Nazmul can be swapped depending on the pitch and opposition.
Good post. England is opening with KP. They have re-adjusted their game.
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Old February 22, 2011, 02:36 PM
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"If we lose the first wicket early, then Kamran, who has been an attacking batsman and has opened, comes in so we will have advantage with him and fielders in the circle," Afridi said. "After that it will depend on how many overs we have so Umar can come after Younis. We don't want Misbah and Younis batting together so that we can keep momentum and the scoreboard ticking."

Shouldn;t we do the same? i.e. change the batting order on the fly based on the progress of the innings instead of presetting before the game and sticking with that?

I think these are the things that we need to also consider to take upperhand over the opponent.
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Nafees could be our PP solution. Why dont train him to be a PP specialist ? why in the gods green earth do we keep relying on players like Riyad, Rock and co to do the job when its not in their abilities ?
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Al- Not criticizing Rahim at all. Actually, no.4 is the only position for him to play in a one day team, as he is more suited for the pivot role as opposed to at no.6 or no.7, where you really don't have much time to settle in. He is more of a classic test batsman/wkt suited for no.6 and there is no question that he is the best in the country for tests. But, if I had a better wktkeeper/batsman for one dayers who can either play that classic role of coming down at no.6 or play at the top three position, then Rahim will not be automatic in my team. So, for lack of better options, he has to play and play at no.4. When he moved to no.4, I was hoping that finally we have realized that we need some power at no.6, thus the pre-emptive move up to no.4 for Rahim, but it is a self defeating purpose if we continue to fill that vacancy with likes of Rock and Riyad at no.6, players who are very much in the mold of Rahim. If Rahim was a flat tire at no.6, Riyad and Rock are just spares there , which can not and will not perform in the long run when the rubber meets the road. So, we identified the problem, but we are also trying to solve a problem with other problems. It will not work. But, the squad is poor one, and we don't have options in it to pick players who excel in batting lower down the order. So, we are left with no choice but to tinker with players/positions who are available.

That's why I proposed the PP ensuing with the second new ball ( 34 th -35 th ) and basically had to pick Ash and Nafis simply because they are available, and crucially, they have more experience with new ball and field restriction that Naeem, Riyad and Rock. I very much wanted the new generation of Riyad and co to succeed, but given whats at stake, they need to be removed. And, No, the two game chance don't apply. Ireland game is the WC. We lose, and we are basically out, so no margin of error. Given what we have in the squad, our only options are having Naifs and Ash play at no.6 and no.7, with the PP coming immediately with the second new ball. Once again, their mind set should be as if they are opening an innings, rather than slogging mentality, and they can slog if they can stick around till the end. Now, the Riyad-Naeem combo can't slog or can't bat like opener-/no.3.

One huge benefit of taking the PP early in the 34 th as opposed to 45th ( which we have been doing )is that it will also force the opposition to bring in their best pacers/bowlers early. Now a days they easily use their part timers and someone who is having a bad day in the middle overs. They know they can save the best for the last five overs when we take our PP. They basically offer their best and we offer our worst players for field restrictions ! Makes no sense to me.

I am sticking with that team for the remainder of the WC. I think that gives us the best chance from THIS SQUAD. Of course, Shuvo and Nazmul can be swapped depending on the pitch and opposition.
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