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Old August 7, 2011, 04:29 PM
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Quite true..... Tired of looking at the same performace over and over again....even Zim learns but we dont.
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Old August 7, 2011, 04:32 PM
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Do you think Wessels actually follows BD cricket? Their opinions are based on hearsay, often outdated hearsay, and hence they still think Ashraful is our best batsmen and have a tone of surprise in their voice when they see Tamim has a 40+ test average. It's the same selective ignorance that allows them to confidently say that Shakib is an ordinary player. hah!
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Old August 7, 2011, 07:57 PM
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The man does have a point.

There's always been two sorts of cricket - league cricket, which is played between rep sides and done and dusted in a day, and representative cricket, which is played between regional or national sides and played over three or more days.

Crowds show up for DPL, but you have to pay five times as many regional Rep players as you get National players, and even then, you have to try out three or four or more players before you find ones with the right mix of temperment, technique and trainability to be good Test players.

Bluntly, Bangladesh is the future of cricket, and, if you love test cricket, it isnt pretty.
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Old August 7, 2011, 08:01 PM
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From Daily Star (I assume it's Isam's piece)

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Price of neglect

Sports Reporter from Harare

When the Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) agreed not to host Test matches against New Zealand late last year, they voluntarily signed up for a day like Sunday.

On top of their reluctance to play Test cricket for 14 months, the BCB already has a problematic first-class structure in place. If one is to look at causes for this poor performance in Harare, it is far wiser to go back to the drawing board than putting heads on the chopping block.

Bangladesh were far behind the eight-ball on the fourth day of the one-off Test against Zimbabwe after fighting back twice, with the ball, in the preceding days of the game.

On the fourth day, the Tigers had to bowl out the hosts to regain control of the game but a sparkling maiden century by Brendan Taylor and Tatenda Taibu's dogged approach eliminated any possibility for the visitors to force anything on the Zimbabweans.

Instead, a team that hasn't played Test cricket for six years looked the more vivacious, more prepared and of course, the better side on show. The Tigers, as usual, had their moments. Robiul Islam's marathon spell on the second day brought them back in the game while the three half-centuries by Shahriar Nafees, Mohammad Ashraful and Shakib Al Hasan promised much but yielded little.

It is hard to find faults in the Tigers' preparation ahead of the Test series. They had a month-long fitness training camp while also holding a skills camp that included several two-day games. As far as summer tours are concerned, this was a far better prepared team than in previous years.

For example, the Bangladesh team were confined to indoor net sessions before one of their tours to Sri Lanka during the monsoon season.

So two questions pop up, naturally.

One, why didn't the Tigers play Test cricket for so long?

The explanation given by the BCB at the time they cancelled the New Zealand Tests was that since the World Cup was on the horizon and the most important tournament for them at the time, one-day cricket was the order of the day.

So much so, they refused to hold the National Cricket League's first-class competition after just a single game back in October, shelving it in favour of one-day cricket.
The second question that has often been asked in the past week: why has Zimbabwe looked so much more prepared than the Tigers?

The home side had the advantage of a dry season when they hosted South Africa A and Australia A.

But what everyone relates to is the franchise system in Zimbabwe. It has produced the likes of Tino Mawoyo, Craig Ervine, Kyle Jarvis and Brian Vitori already and has secured the future of many more.

After the trouble in the mid 2000s, Zimbabwe cricket hit a wall but after the franchise system was put into place where players were contracted and paid monthly, things started to brighten. The recent gripe that Taibu voiced was with the Zimbabwe Cricket, who didn't pay the players properly. It is the five-team domestic competitions that has become the heart-beat of cricket in the country.

A similar system is also in place in Bangladesh, as everyone is aware, but unlike Zimbabwe, the BCB has placed less priority on first-class cricket.

For all the bad press that India has gathered due to the IPL, their cricket board has done the cunning thing. They have redirected some of the cash they earn from the IPL into their Ranji Trophy teams. Players have financial security and more quality performers are produced.

On the flip side, Australia are now struggling in international cricket, and this problem is directly related to their board prioritising Twenty20 cricket more than the first-class system.
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Old August 7, 2011, 11:12 PM
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Old August 8, 2011, 01:45 AM
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Hate him or love him but Wessels has a point. You have good players in yo team no doubt but there are a lot of things behind the scene that have to be sorted out. Its true our first class league is a serious one, its organised almost the same way as S.A's.

I question the issue of continuity in your team cz Shahadat & Mortaza look like they havent been replaced. Your seam attack doesnt look like it can penetrate any international team, not that ours can but comparatively we seem to have a slight edge.

To tell you the truth in May this year I didnt know about Vitori & i never thought Jarvis would make Zim A first team. Good perfomances at the end of last season got these guys recognition & they displaced the likes of Rainsford, Meth, Mupariwa- not to mention Njabulo and Chatara who are waiting in the wings. Almost every position in our team has at least two good replacements fighting for it, (Price, Creamer, Utseya)- (Taibu, Mutizwa, Chakabva)- (Mawoyo, Duffin, Raza).

Our pool of players seem to be swelling at a faster rate than yos despite the money issue. We prepared better for this test, you should have too. So i dont think Wessels comments had a personal agenda, you should take positive criticism and build your team regardless of who gives it. Im sure we are learning a lot from you guys too in this test. The aggression that your openers have although they get a bit carried away.

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Old August 8, 2011, 01:45 AM
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Old August 8, 2011, 01:55 AM
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We are the one to be blamed. Why to attack others when they speak the truth ? I agree with Andy, we need to grow a pair and accept criticism positively for our own benefit. Wessels gave another POV why we are still a struggler in Intl area in any form of the game.
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Old August 8, 2011, 02:26 AM
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I think the time is approaching that Ireland will be offered Test status if BD continues to perform this badly. Most of the Irish players are playing first-class cricket in England and they already play 4 days matches in the intercontinental cup as a national team. they also play in the domestic english one-day competition where they play sides likes Yorkshire, Lancashire and Somerset who are arguably stronger teams that bangladesh anyway.

The ICC will only keep funding the boards like BD if they perform better but the structure of first class cricket is awful. My worry is that after 10 years there is no visible improvement in BD Test cricket. Ireland would give Zimbabwe a good game and possibly beat them. So this shows how low BD has become. It is time to doing something drastic or else BD will continue to bump along the bottom of cricket
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Old August 8, 2011, 03:48 AM
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I do not know now but is not it 4 day matches in our leagues rather then 5 day matches....we love our wins in ODIs and think that shall get us the attention/respect we need.
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Old August 8, 2011, 04:45 AM
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Top post Andy.

Andy I just request one thing. Can you open a thread descrbing the details of your current domestic cricket structure? How do you scout talents? Details...if possible......
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Old August 8, 2011, 04:56 AM
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Top post Andy.

Andy I just request one thing. Can you open a thread descrbing the details of your current domestic cricket structure? How do you scout talents? Details...if possible......
will do that before end of day today mate, just watch the space

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Old August 8, 2011, 05:01 AM
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is this really the real andy flower???? OMG!!
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Old August 8, 2011, 11:46 AM
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Wessels couldn't be more right!
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Old August 8, 2011, 12:04 PM
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no he is not right. we were under prepared for this series but we are not like this for all the series so chill out...
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Old August 8, 2011, 11:57 PM
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Some of the comments by some of the members in this forum indicates precisely why we are the worst test playing nation in the world. Here you have a commentator/cricket great who knows a lot more about the game than any member in this forum categorically state one of the many reasons why bangladesh struggles. Instead of accepting the criticism (which is absolutely justified) people start making excuses and discredit him with a load of absurd crap.

Stop trying to find a scapegoat, stop making irrelevant excuses and face up to the real issues. It's about time the Bangladeshi players AND the fans accepted reality, which is that we have a mediocre squad who is capable of producing an upset occassionally. The fact is we have been in world cricket for the best part of 13 years and have made very little progress. To those of you who are uncertain about the state of cricket in Bangladesh and where we should be... Sri Lanka obtianed full ICC membership in 1981 and by the mid to late 90's they were consistently winning test matches against good sides and as we all know, won the World cup by 1996. Please feel free to enlighten me with why Bangladesh haven't achieved any success or will not do so in the next 10-15 years and Why Sri Lanka has...

IMHO, Besides the non-existance of a proper grass roots and first class system, the other major reason is that our players all believe they are all gods gift to earth and could not care less about what everyone else thinks about how good they really are...
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Old August 9, 2011, 12:50 AM
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.......................IMHO, Besides the non-existance of a proper grass roots and first class system, the other major reason is that our players all believe they are all gods gift to earth and could not care less about what everyone else thinks about how good they really are...
That's the reason. They feel fulfilled if they get a call in the National Team. And they are only ready to learn something, which isn't that painful ... Just go easy untill your position in the team is threatened. There are very very few rare persons, who has a higher ambition and continues to work hard to achieve that. Extra practice should be made conpulsory and enforced ruthlessly and gradually make it a culture for future cricketers.
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Old August 9, 2011, 09:50 AM
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Old August 10, 2011, 06:30 AM
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Bangladesh was handed Test status when they were ill prepared for it. They should have had to play more four day matches and fight for it. It is truly evident that the BCB is not serious about test cricket, also the cricketers, they think it is one way of playing against a nation, and just go through the motions of playing a test match without actually really knowing what a test means, they are not playing for a win, because their mind set is that they cannot beat the team, so let us just play.
They should withdraw voluntarily from test cricket, get their house in order, then return if they are permitted by the ICC.
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