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Old September 9, 2011, 03:14 AM
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Old September 9, 2011, 09:10 AM
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I am delighted at Law Bhai's honesty, but should he be openly criticising the board this way?

Wouldn't it just be better to say 'no comment' or 'it is not my decision' rather than speculating or sounding surprise? This was SidVision's problem too in that he always commented in the press.
I think he has done a good job.He has uncovered the truth,despite chance of losing his new job.Black face of BCB is now just uncovered.Thank you Stuwar Law.

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Old September 9, 2011, 09:25 AM
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Old September 9, 2011, 10:09 AM
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When a board sacks a captain while the coach is conveniently away (Law's comment that he was probably 'uncontactable' is hugely diplomatic. We all know that's BS) something is very wrong within the system. They need not have taken his advice, but not to even ask is ludicrous. He's the head coach, for god's sake! Remind me again why you guys are paying him all this money? Is this not the man you have placed your trust in to take your team on to great things? And while I'm at it, he's absolutely right about these clowns hanging around like a bad smell in the dressing room. It's unavoidable that hangers-on and other similar types will occasionally have to be allowed into the dressing room so they can have their moment of stolen glory, but do it quickly. Shake hands, take the photos, and get them the hell out of there. It reminds me of when the headmaster used to come and watch the 1st XI play when I was at school many, many moons ago. Awful! The chemistry of a team in the pavilion is a delicate thing, and they need to be able to speak freely and relax while there. Australian bluntness can have it's uses. Here similar types would be told in a playful but direct manner that the seats in the members enclosure provided the best view, and the message would be received and understood. They may mean well, he says, but again he's being diplomatic. They're in the dressing room to look after their own interests, not the players, and I suspect they're terribly worried that an Australian coach may give them too many 'independent' ideas, in effect letting the 'Genii' out of the bottle, while they'd prefer to keep them as subservient and dependent as possible. Political involvement in cricket administration is poison. The players are the ones that will have to win the games, not the board members, so any other considerations are secondary to the players needs. If BD is to succeed it seems that it will be despite the BCB, not due to any great wisdom on their part.
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বছর দেড়েক শ্রীলঙ্কার সহকারী কোচ ছিলেন। উপমহাদেশের ক্রিকেট প্রশাসন সম্পর্কে ভালোই ধারণা থাকার কথা স্টুয়ার্ট ল-র। সেই ল-কেও দারুণ এক বিস্ময় ‘উপহার’ দিতে সমর্থ হয়েছে বাংলাদেশ ক্রিকেট বোর্ড। জিম্বাবুয়ে সফরের পর কিছুদিন ছুটিতে ছিলেন বাংলাদেশের নতুন কোচ। দিন দুয়েক আগে মেইল খুলে হঠাৎ আবিষ্কার করলেন, যাঁর সঙ্গে জুটি বেঁধে বাংলাদেশের ক্রিকেটকে এগিয়ে নেওয়ার পরিকল্পনা করছিলেন, সেই অধিনায়ককে অব্যাহতি দিয়েছে বোর্ড!
ছুটি কাটিয়ে পরশু দেশে এসেছেন। কাল সংবাদমাধ্যমের মুখোমুখি হয়ে ল জানালেন তাঁর বিস্ময়ের কথা। মাস খানেক হলো প্রথম একটা দলের মূল কোচের দায়িত্ব নিয়েছেন। এখন নিজেকে গুছিয়ে নেওয়ার সময়। কিন্তু সুযোগ পাচ্ছেন কোথায়! দায়িত্ব নেওয়ার সপ্তাহ খানেক পরই যেতে হলো সফরে। সেখানে মাঠে বাজে পারফরম্যান্স, মাঠের বাইরে বিতর্ক। খানিক অবসরের পর উল্টো আরেকটা ধাক্কা। পূর্ণাঙ্গ কোচ হিসেবে যাত্রার শুরুতেই এমন ‘অভিবাদন’, একটু কি বিব্রতকর নয়? মুচকি হাসিতে ল-র উত্তর, ‘বোর্ডের কাজ বোর্ড করবে, আমি ক্রিকেট নিয়েই থাকব।’
কিন্তু বোর্ডের কাজ কি বোর্ড ঠিকভাবে করছে? বাধ্যতামূলক নয়, তবে অধিনায়ক, সহ-অধিনায়ককে সরিয়ে দেওয়ার মতো গুরুত্বপূর্ণ সিদ্ধান্ত নেওয়ার সময় কোচের সঙ্গে আলোচনা করা সাধারণ রীতি। সেই রীতির ধার ধারেনি বিসিবি। নেহাত ভদ্রলোক আর নতুন চাকরি বলেই হয়তো ল ব্যাপারটাকে কিছুটা আড়াল করতে চাইলেন, ‘আমার সঙ্গে আলোচনা করা হয়নি। তবে আমি ছুটিতে ছিলাম। হয়তো যোগাযোগ করার উপায় ছিল না। আমি যা বুঝলাম, শুধু জিম্বাবুয়ে সফরের জন্য নয়, আগে থেকে চলে আসা কিছু ঘটনার কারণে বোর্ড এ সিদ্ধান্ত নিয়েছে। এখন বোর্ড একটা সিদ্ধান্ত নিয়েছে, এটা মেনে নিয়েই আমাদের এগিয়ে যেতে হবে এবং ভালো খেলতে হবে।’
কাল ল-র কথোপকথনে উত্তর মিলেছে বাতাসে ভেসে বেড়ানো আরও বেশ কিছু প্রশ্নের, দূর হয়েছে কিছু বিভ্রান্তি। জিম্বাবুয়ে সফরে হেড অব ডেলিগেশন শফিকুর রহমান মুন্না ও নির্বাচক হাবিবুল বাশারকে ড্রেসিংরুম থাকতে মানা করেছিলেন সাকিব—কিছু সংবাদমাধ্যমের খবরের সূত্রে এ ধারণা মোটামুটি প্রতিষ্ঠিত হয়ে গিয়েছিল। কিন্তু সাকিব দাবি করেছিলেন, তিনি বা তাঁর সতীর্থরা নন, নিষেধ করেছিলেন কোচ। ল নিজেও কাল মেনে নিলেন সাকিবের দাবি, ‘কোনো ক্রিকেটার কিন্তু আমাকে এসে বলেনি তাঁদের বের করে দিতে। আমি নিজেই সবকিছু খেয়াল করে ক্রিকেটারদের জিজ্ঞাসা করেছি। ওরা বলেছে, ‘‘হয়তো, হয়তো তাঁরা না থাকলে আমাদের জন্য ভালো হতেও পারে।’’ ওদের কেউ আমাকে এসে বলেছে, এটা মোটেও সত্য নয়।’
এ পদক্ষেপের পেছনে ল-র ব্যাখ্যাটাও যথেষ্ট যুক্তিসংগত, ‘দেখুন, আমি অনেক দিক থেকেই আলাদা। জীবনে এই প্রথম আমি দেখলাম হেড অব ডেলিগেশন এবং নির্বাচক ম্যাচের প্রতিটি অংশে, দিনের প্রতিটি মিনিট ড্রেসিংরুমে থাকছে। আমার জন্য এই অভিজ্ঞতা নতুন। তারা ড্রেসিংরুমে থাকলে ব্যক্তিগতভাবে আমার কোনো সমস্যা নেই। আমি ক্রিকেটারদের স্বার্থের কথা ভেবেছি। ওদের ভালো ক্রিকেট খেলার পরিবেশ তৈরি করে দিতে চেয়েছি। ড্রেসিংরুম হলো খেলোয়াড়দের অভয়ারণ্যের মতো। নিজেদের নিয়ে, খেলা নিয়ে ভাবার জন্য, পরিকল্পনা করার জন্য সব খেলার খেলোয়াড়দেরই জায়গা দরকার।’
সাকিব-তামিমের সঙ্গে সতীর্থদের সম্পর্ক উষ্ণ নয়, ড্রেসিংরুমের পরিবেশ ভারী—কখনো অকাট্য প্রমাণ না পাওয়া গেলেও কীভাবে যেন বাংলাদেশে এসব ধারণা জনপ্রিয় হয়ে গেছে! সংক্ষিপ্ত সময়ে ল-র ড্রেসিংরুম অভিজ্ঞতা কিন্তু অন্যকিছু বলছে, ‘আগে দেখা ড্রেসিংরুমের সঙ্গে বাংলাদেশের ড্রেসিংরুমের কোনো পার্থক্য চোখে পড়েনি। অধিনায়ক, সহ-অধিনায়ককে সতীর্থরা ওদের শ্রদ্ধা করে, ওরাও সতীর্থদের শ্রদ্ধা করে। ড্রেসিংরুমের পরিবেশ নিয়ে কিছু সংবাদমাধ্যমে যা এসেছে, এসব সত্যের ধারেকাছেও নেই। আমি যা দেখেছি, এই ছেলেরা দারুণ শৃঙ্খলাপরায়ণ।’
বিস্ময়টা তবু এই পর্যন্ত সীমিত ছিল। কোচের সঙ্গে উদ্ধত আচরণ করায় তামিম-শাহরিয়ারের জরিমানা করতে যাচ্ছে বোর্ড, এটা শুনে রীতিমতো আকাশ থেকে পড়লেন ল। শুরুতে তো বুঝতেই পারছিলেন না, ‘কী সেটা? আই হ্যাভ নো আইডিয়া! কেউ কিছু করেনি...আমি বুঝতে পারছি না...আমার সঙ্গে বাজে ব্যবহার করেছে, আমি তো জানি না!’
যখন বলা হলো, হেড অব ডেলিগেশনের রিপোর্টে এমন একটা ঘটনার উল্লেখ আছে, ল-র চোখেমুখে তখন অবিশ্বাস, ‘এটা ছিল ড্রেসিংরুমের ভেতরের কথাবার্তা, আমাদের মধ্যে কিছু আলোচনা হয়েছিল। কিন্তু এটা খুব অল্প সময়ের মধ্যেই শেষ হয়ে গিয়েছিল। ডান অ্যান্ড ডাস্টেড!’
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When a board sacks a captain while the coach is conveniently away (Law's comment that he was probably 'uncontactable' is hugely diplomatic. We all know that's BS) something is very wrong within the system. They need not have taken his advice, but not to even ask is ludicrous. He's the head coach, for god's sake! Remind me again why you guys are paying him all this money? Is this not the man you have placed your trust in to take your team on to great things? And while I'm at it, he's absolutely right about these clowns hanging around like a bad smell in the dressing room. It's unavoidable that hangers-on and other similar types will occasionally have to be allowed into the dressing room so they can have their moment of stolen glory, but do it quickly. Shake hands, take the photos, and get them the hell out of there. It reminds me of when the headmaster used to come and watch the 1st XI play when I was at school many, many moons ago. Awful! The chemistry of a team in the pavilion is a delicate thing, and they need to be able to speak freely and relax while there. Australian bluntness can have it's uses. Here similar types would be told in a playful but direct manner that the seats in the members enclosure provided the best view, and the message would be received and understood. They may mean well, he says, but again he's being diplomatic. They're in the dressing room to look after their own interests, not the players, and I suspect they're terribly worried that an Australian coach may give them too many 'independent' ideas, in effect letting the 'Genii' out of the bottle, while they'd prefer to keep them as subservient and dependent as possible. Political involvement in cricket administration is poison. The players are the ones that will have to win the games, not the board members, so any other considerations are secondary to the players needs. If BD is to succeed it seems that it will be despite the BCB, not due to any great wisdom on their part.

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Thank you. Now, please correct me if I'm wrong, but Shakib and Tammim are the guys who are playing in the English county game, are they not? I find that a most interesting coincidence. Is it not possible that, having spent some time in an English dressing room which, like an Australian one, will be run along pragmatic and egalitarian lines, they have picked up what to the BCB would be considered dangerously 'free thinking' ideas? Is this a pre-emptive strike by the board to tell the other players to watch themselves and not to listen to Shakib and Tammim? Remember when PCB head Ijaz Butt recently claimed to have eradicated 'player power'?

Not good signs when the board cannot see that the players ARE the game, and without them the administrators are nothing. Without an active partnership in good faith between the players and the board for the betterment of the game they will always be fighting an uphill battle, and at worst could go the way of the WICB or the perpetually dysfunctional PCB. We Aussies went through all of this stuff in 1977-1979, and it caused deep wounds in the soul of Aussie cricket which crippled us for the next ten years. There are enough challenges for BD cricket already without it being pulled down by a narcissistic and overly proud board.
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I am delighted at Law Bhai's honesty, but should he be openly criticising the board this way?

Wouldn't it just be better to say 'no comment' or 'it is not my decision' rather than speculating or sounding surprise? This was SidVision's problem too in that he always commented in the press.
r u by any chance paid spokeperson for the board or a relative of the board high up or a board member himself.. u seem to be highly sensitive when someone questions the board and always seem to be trying to hide their misdeeds.

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well this is how a coach should be , Stuart Law , should always speak the truth ,
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r u by any chance paid spokeperson for the board or a relative of the board high up or a board member himself.. u seem to be highly sensitive when someone questions the board and always seem to be trying to hide their misdeeds.
Here you go again... picking up on other's opinions and beliefs..My advice is it is useful to be balanced in your views. The thing is though, Law bhai has a contractual obligation not to comment.

This wasn't about the board it was about the head coach and if you understood how to be diplomatic (which you clearly don't) you should be careful about comments in the media. SidVision had issues his entire time and Shakib lost his position. There are better ways than speaking out in front of cameras and reporters, not least as players and coaches of all countries sign a contract prohibiting them on making such comments publicly. That's why I said Law bhai should be more careful, especially in BD as things get written up and twisted around.

It is not for the head coach to bring up any cricket boards 'misdeeds'. This was the entire point of the posting.

I know you appear to not to understand this by what you said above. It may help you to understand cricket a bit better.
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The past week has been very confusing for every true Bangladesh team supporter (as opposed to supporter of some faction or other within the team)
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well this is how a coach should be , Stuart Law , should always speak the truth ,
Law bhai has a contractual obligation not to comment.
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Old September 11, 2011, 03:48 AM
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Law bhai has a contractual obligation not to comment.
Truth hurts, LBW103, doesn't it? Only then contractual blah blah comes as excuse to stop the truth! this is it. The bizarre Power manipulation.

You have self proclaiming pride of understanding the cricket than almost all of us here but it seems you sir are weak in understanding Bangladeshi Politics and its dark side or not brave enough to face and fight against it.
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Old September 11, 2011, 06:49 AM
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Truth hurts, LBW103, doesn't it? Only then contractual blah blah comes as excuse to stop the truth! this is it. The bizarre Power manipulation.

You have self proclaiming pride of understanding the cricket than almost all of us here but it seems you sir are weak in understanding Bangladeshi Politics and its dark side or not brave enough to face and fight against it.

Ha ha. It is so funny. In on thread, I see one person defending leaks from Munna for the sake of exposing alleged misdeeds (read selection preferences) while forgetting that it destroys the trust on which such meetings are based (imagine you have to do the unpleasant job of picking 10 out of 14 people who are your buddies and/or with whom you spend days together and then suddenly someone comes out and tells those 14 people whom you chose and whom you didn't - how would that jeopardize your relationship with them).

Now, in this thread, I see people going against Law for the sake of contractual obligations while many have praised Law for being as diplomatic as possible without speaking outright lies. I guess outright lies (aka Kaler Kontho) is the order of the day.
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Old September 11, 2011, 02:08 PM
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Truth hurts, LBW103, doesn't it? Only then contractual blah blah comes as excuse to stop the truth! this is it. The bizarre Power manipulation.

You have self proclaiming pride of understanding the cricket than almost all of us here but it seems you sir are weak in understanding Bangladeshi Politics and its dark side or not brave enough to face and fight against it.
Magic Boy..how old are you.. 12?

In business, and cricket in particular, some high ranking officials are simply contracted not to speak out in the media. That's a fact.

It isn't unusual or a bizarre power manipulation - it's part of the deal.

There are lines of protocol for discussing problems, and it isn't in the media. Players and coaches will often be disciplined for being outspoken against their employers in the newspapers or TV... as ANY worker would of any business.

You clearly do not understand sporting etiquette or how things work. It is not about politics, it is about a legal requirement written in to all professional players and coaches agreement.
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Old September 11, 2011, 02:28 PM
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Magic Boy..how old are you.. 12?

In business, and cricket in particular, some high ranking officials are simply contracted not to speak out in the media. That's a fact.

It isn't unusual or a bizarre power manipulation - it's part of the deal.


There are lines of protocol for discussing problems, and it isn't in the media. Players and coaches will often be disciplined for being outspoken against their employers in the newspapers or TV... as ANY worker would of any business.

You clearly do not understand sporting etiquette or how things work. It is not about politics, it is about a legal requirement written in to all professional players and coaches agreement.
Ok, accepting that argument, by the same token shouldn't people like Munna be under a contractual obligation not to leak confidential discussions and meeting minutes to the press? Why did some decisions become known to the media as soon as they happened? Mohammad Isam and Utpal Shuvro have spoken about this recently...
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Old September 11, 2011, 02:43 PM
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Ok, accepting that argument, by the same token shouldn't people like Munna be under a contractual obligation not to leak confidential discussions and meeting minutes to the press? Why did some decisions become known to the media as soon as they happened? Mohammad Isam and Utpal Shuvro have spoken about this recently...
Navo.. I agree.

Also look how inappropriate the President was over the hiring of the Head Coach and making comments and press statements.

The thing is though, the BOARD runs cricket and the players and coaches don't and are answerable to the board. So there is a chain of command how ever spurious. The BCB comments on cricket because that is their business, but the players/coaches should not comment on the board as that IS NOT their business.

Should the BCB be more professional? Yes. Should they be more careful about leaks? Of course. That doesn't mean the team should be using that as an excuse though.....
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Old September 11, 2011, 03:56 PM
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basically, what you are saying is, because someone is part of the board management, the rules does not apply in the same way to him.

doesnt matter if BCB has gone to the dogs, because this is an open forum, the same way has to apply to him. no doubts.
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Old September 11, 2011, 08:19 PM
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Navo.. I agree.

Also look how inappropriate the President was over the hiring of the Head Coach and making comments and press statements.

The thing is though, the BOARD runs cricket and the players and coaches don't and are answerable to the board. So there is a chain of command how ever spurious. The BCB comments on cricket because that is their business, but the players/coaches should not comment on the board as that IS NOT their business.

Should the BCB be more professional? Yes. Should they be more careful about leaks? Of course. That doesn't mean the team should be using that as an excuse though.....
your hypocrisy is astounding! one member of the board leaked the confidential content of the team selection meeting to the media and spread lies .. thats more understandable than stuart law contradicting with BCB's viewpoint (which was maliciously leaked to the media) for the sake of the truth..
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Old September 12, 2011, 08:59 AM
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Good point! What LBW is referring is correct (about contractual agreement) but he is only looking at a limited scope. The Board is NOT above the rules that are put in place and they are also contractually obligated to do their job right. A CEO or a VP or a President can be fired or a board member removed (just look at Yahoo's CEO being fired over the phone the other day who herself was a board member!). The Board is there to serve the best interest of Bangladesh cricket and that's what they are paid for. After the World Cup "debacle" the board itself was under the gun fighting against other sections of the govt. who wanted to crucify everyone. There is always struggle going on for power within the board, with other politicians against the board and between the board and the players/coaching staff. Citing contractual obligation for just one particular case doesn't carry much weight.

I'm glad Mr. Law spoke his mind (as diplomatically as possible). He seemed to be a better communicator than his predecessor. The Board itself has numerous violations of its own rules and at the end of the day it is the result on the field that has the most weight on decision making including the future of the board members themselves (including corruption and nepotism in the mix of course). Contractual obligations are one part of the whole picture. Standing up for our players should always be a higher priority over kissing a** of some incompetent bureaucrats.

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your hypocrisy is astounding! one member of the board leaked the confidential content of the team selection meeting to the media and spread lies .. thats more understandable than stuart law contradicting with BCB's viewpoint (which was maliciously leaked to the media) for the sake of the truth..
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Old September 12, 2011, 11:16 AM
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Truth hurts, LBW103, doesn't it? Only then contractual blah blah comes as excuse to stop the truth! this is it. The bizarre Power manipulation.

You have self proclaiming pride of understanding the cricket than almost all of us here but it seems you sir are weak in understanding Bangladeshi Politics and its dark side or not brave enough to face and fight against it.
I have read this thread about what a coach can and cannot say.

In my contract with the BCB and those of other coaches it clearly states:

"The xxxxxx coach shall not during the period of this contract and thereafter make any public announcement or comment in relation to his duties with the BCB and the Bangladesh National Team which is detrimental....."

"The xxxxxx coach shall abide by the rules of the BCB media protocol"

Commenting on BCB policy, decisions and events is strictly prohibited. My guess is that any comments regarding the BCB would require clearance first from the media director first, or the CEO.

This would be standard operating procedure for every player and coach in International and world cricket.
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Old September 13, 2011, 09:46 AM
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^^^ thanks for clearing that up coach!
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