2012 Under 19 WC: Warm Up Match Threads

[AsifTheManRahman]

Once again, this U-19 side proves that it's nowhere near the Shakib-Tamim-Mushfiq batch. Bhobisshot boroi ondhokaar. But then, enter McInnes.

[MSM B2C]

Top Order Failed Again! and Anamul So called International Material By Ian Pont Failed!

[nadim 98]

Now, let the real game begin. I'm pretty sure this team will do gd this time around insallah.

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[M.H.Rubel]

The full team look strong to me. There are some heavy weights there. I hope we ll do good. Though they have done nothing good till now.

[Ajfar]

Anamul and Asif better pick up their game, they will have to lead from the front. Otherwise it will be really tough for us to advance.

[AsifTheManRahman]

Originally Posted by Ajfar
Anamul and Asif better pick up their game, they will have to lead from the front. Otherwise it will be really tough for us to advance.

They're overrated and far from ready for the national team regardless of what many people may claim. For this tournament, I'd rather pin my hopes on...wait, everyone in the team is a sissy.

[Night_wolf]

i have no hope for this team which means they could do well in the cup

anyway i am more interested in watching how saikat does

[akabir77]

Originally Posted by Naimul_Hd
The problem is with the frequency. No.9 team beats 1/2 team once in every 2-3 years (even that is not the case) time but no.11 team is beating no.9 team in every 2-3 matches which is not good. Moreover, that no.9 team is supposed to be a Test playing country whereas no.11 is full of merely part time players.

we are not playing test we played T20. in T20 they played more games then us and in a english condition I don't see any point of doing shob galo shob galo rob. yes if we had won that would not make us very strong and losing t@) games in European condition doesn't make us any week also. We need to understand the format and location. it is not a oikik niyom er onko... besides 9 beat 2 every other year and 11 beating 9 every other game seems like following logic doesn't it?

[Equinox]

Extraordinary how anyone can claim Anamul is ready for international cricket or that he'll be a 50 average player. He isn't even among the top 10 U19 batsman in world cricket right now. Look up Daniel Bell-Drummond, Quinton de Kock, Vijay Zol, Unmukht Chand, Sami Aslam, Babar Azam and Kurtis Patterson and then re-evaluate Anamul. He is nowhere near these guys and yet we are about to push him into intl. cricket whereas most of these guys won't play for their countries in the next five years at least. I still think he'll be national team material in the future (at least 2 - 3 years from now) and at best will be a 30 avg. ODI batsman and a 35 avg. Test batsman. But those who are expecting more are in for a rude shock.

[Ian Pont]

Originally Posted by Equinox
Extraordinary how people can claim Anamul is ready for international cricket or that he'll be a 50 average player. He isn't even among the top 10 U19 batsman in world cricket right now. Look up Daniel Bell-Drummond, Quinton de Kock, Vijay Zol, Unmukht Chand, Sami Aslam, Babar Azam and Kurtis Patterson and then re-evaluate Anamul. He is nowhere near these guys and yet we are about to push him into intl. cricket whereas most of these guys won't play for their countries in the next five years at least. I still think he'll be national team material in the future (at least 2 - 3 years from now) and at best will be a 30 avg. ODI batsman and a 35 avg. Test batsman. But those who are expecting more are in for a rude shock.

Judges of a good player are saying he has the right temperament and skills to become an international player. He is only 19. Throwing him in the deep end doesn't hurt him, even if he fails to start with.

I note you said: "I still think he'll be national team material in the future (at least 2 - 3 years from now) and at best will be a 30 avg. ODI batsman and a 35 avg", which would make him one of the most successful BD batsmen of all time! So it is quite wrong to compare Anamul to others from different countries. You only have to compare him to BD emerging talent, and he is the best prospect.

No one sensible can predict the future (good or bad) and you can only develop a player with skills and hope he goes on to have a worthy career. You don't have to be a top ranked player at age 19 to be a successful international cricketer. Sometimes you have to stop looking in the scorebook to judge talent and start developing skills. The problem with many BD players is they never get developed fully.

Anamul has the mindset and ability to be a success - whether he makes it or not history will judge in 10 years time.

[Ian Pont]

Originally Posted by MSM B2C
Top Order Failed Again! and Anamul So called International Material By Ian Pont Failed!

You need to get a life, bhai. He's 19 and he got run out in a warm up.

To give you a clue about what I am saying, Pat Cummins, who is widely viewed as a future star pace bowler for Australia and has already played TEST cricket, bowled in three Under 19s ODI's in April and took just 5 wickets for 101 runs.

Even if Anamul fails every single Under 19's match, it doesn't change the fact he is the most talented BD youngster with the bat and gloves.

[MSM B2C]

Originally Posted by Ian Pont
You need to get a life, bhai. He's 19 and he got run out in a warm up.

Even if he fails every match, it doesn't change the fact he is the most talented BD youngster with the bat and gloves.

Bhia Pont, No one ever said he was a talent or ready for internationals until you opened up! I think that is unfair to other youngesters!

Anamul Haque never deserved to play in the recent Zimbabwe series ahead of Mominul Haque! This guy has great techinique and wonderful future prospect! Just because you coached Anamul Haque, it does not mean he is ready 4 internationals or as u say one of the best youngester for the future. Ian Pont you should remember you are a Bowling Coach.

Mominul Haque has been really impressive when ever he has played for the Bangladesh A team away from home! This guy deserved a spot ahead of Anamul!

why are you comparing a bowler with a batsmen? I told you u are a bowling coach

[Ian Pont]

Originally Posted by MSM B2C
Bhia Pont, No one ever said he was a talent or ready for internationals until you opened up! I think that is unfair to other youngesters!

Anamul Haque never deserved to play in the recent Zimbabwe series ahead of Mominul Haque! This guy has great techinique and wonderful future prospect! Just because you coached Anamul Haque, it does not mean he is ready 4 internationals or as u say one of the best youngester for the future. Ian Pont you should remember you are a Bowling Coach.

Mominul Haque has been really impressive when ever he has played for the Bangladesh A team away from home! This guy deserved a spot ahead of Anamul!

why are you comparing a bowler with a batsmen? I told you u are a bowling coach

Last time I checked, I had the ECB Level 3 Head Coach qualification.

I specialise in fast bowling but to hold that certificate above, I HAVE to coach all disciplines. Plus I am a first-class scout and development ID spotter for English counties and a Ranji Trophy team.

Maybe you should do your research a little better. Let me help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsPxN...layer_embedded or http://www.maverickscricket.com/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Pont plus http://www.pitchvision.com/cricket-c...-run-rate/72/7

Your comments are similar to you accusing a highly specialised surgeon of not understanding basic medicine.

yet again

PS Mominul will get his chances and I hope he takes them. I don't select the national teams, sadly

[kiwibd]

how is MSMB2C not already banned from this forum? biggest troll(hopefully, otherwise just plain stupid). Ian shouldn't even waste his time replying to his posts...

[playmaker]

Originally Posted by AsifTheManRahman
They're overrated and far from ready for the national team regardless of what many people may claim. For this tournament, I'd rather pin my hopes on...wait, everyone in the team is a sissy.

While someone like al furqaan bhai will beg to differ, if anamul and asif are going to be the future of cricket then i can say this that our future is "ondhokar". Shakib and tamim performed much better than these bunch of losers(present U-19 team). Even the 2010 WC U-19 team looked much better, only that they choked at the end but still, they were competitive.

Now plz dont bring in DPL, FC. Ive seen Mushfiqur score 5 centuries in a single DPL and season and in intl cricket his performance has been ordinary to say the least.

[playmaker]

Originally Posted by kiwibd
how is MSMB2C not already banned from this forum? biggest troll(hopefully, otherwise just plain stupid). Ian shouldn't even waste his time replying to his posts...

just because ones comment is stupid doesnt mean he will be awarded a ban. And I dont see how he is trolling. He has his point of view and he is simply expressing it, as long as he is doing it within thr forum rules. Id advice you to check the rules once again before asking that he/she should be banned.

Id also advice you to create your own forum and create your own rules (like no member cant beg to differ with you)

Peace Out

[M.H.Rubel]

Originally Posted by MSM B2C
Bhia Pont, No one ever said he was a talent or ready for internationals until you opened up! I think that is unfair to other youngesters!

Anamul Haque never deserved to play in the recent Zimbabwe series ahead of Mominul Haque! This guy has great techinique and wonderful future prospect! Just because you coached Anamul Haque, it does not mean he is ready 4 internationals or as u say one of the best youngester for the future. Ian Pont you should remember you are a Bowling Coach.

Mominul Haque has been really impressive when ever he has played for the Bangladesh A team away from home! This guy deserved a spot ahead of Anamul!

why are you comparing a bowler with a batsmen? I told you u are a bowling coach

Your style of posting very much irritating. Do you have any bad intention?

[reyme]

Originally Posted by MSM B2C
why are you comparing a bowler with a batsmen? I told you u are a bowling coach

Cool down on your silly language MSM ...show some respect! Dont argue with one of the most successful coaches in the world.

[akabir77]

some so called expert here r comparing two players by looking at their scores when one is playing in australia and the other in home like condition in india. before you attack a certified person please show me how you are qualified to say what u r saying? No wonder bd football fires a coach saying they understand more than the coach and then the coach end up coaching another team and taking them to world cup...

[MarufH]

Originally Posted by Ian Pont
Last time I checked, I had the ECB Level 3 Head Coach qualification.

I specialise in fast bowling but to hold that certificate above, I HAVE to coach all disciplines. Plus I am a first-class scout and development ID spotter for English counties and a Ranji Trophy team.

Maybe you should do your research a little better. Let me help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsPxN...layer_embedded or http://www.maverickscricket.com/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Pont plus http://www.pitchvision.com/cricket-c...-run-rate/72/7

Your comments are similar to you accusing a highly specialised surgeon of not understanding basic medicine.

yet again

PS Mominul will get his chances and I hope he takes them. I don't select the national teams, sadly

Ian Bhai...

"Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

[roman]

Sorry Ian. You didn't have to come up with all the links. We know who you are..

One very Important rule in this forum: be courteous to your fellow members. And we are fortunate to have IAN here in BC and glad that he posts here regularly despite his hectic schedule..Now it doesn't mean that we have to agree with everything he says but we Can certainly be little polite. That comparison was not needed.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by playmaker


While someone like al furqaan bhai will beg to differ, if anamul and asif are going to be the future of cricket then i can say this that our future is "ondhokar". Shakib and tamim performed much better than these bunch of losers(present U-19 team). Even the 2010 WC U-19 team looked much better, only that they choked at the end but still, they were competitive.

Now plz dont bring in DPL, FC. Ive seen Mushfiqur score 5 centuries in a single DPL and season and in intl cricket his performance has been ordinary to say the least.

No tamim and shakib did not perform muh better. Check their u19 averages and compare with Anamul.

[crikss]

no hope from this team

[Ian Pont]

Originally Posted by roman
Sorry Ian. You didn't have to come up with all the links. We know who you are..

Roman, it was for MSM B2C's benefit, sorry.

[Ian Pont]

Originally Posted by MarufH
Ian Bhai...

"Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

Dost thanks for the advice. Unlike other coaches, I give as good as I get when people abuse me personally. I dislike so called fans hiding behind anonymity on a forum and thinking they can get away with it.

We all have opinions. Some opinions carry more weight based on inside knowledge and understanding. Others are not based on anything much at all.