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Old October 8, 2012, 11:29 AM
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There is no recipe for BD to win against WI, but there is one recipe to not lose. Don't play.
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Old October 8, 2012, 11:33 AM
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Old October 8, 2012, 12:24 PM
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We will be fine as long as we have right team selection and right coaching staff. By fine I mean 1 draw in test and 2 ODI wins. But since we won't have it, i am worried about huge hue and cry from all corners of the world to terminate our test status during and after this series. Sad really...Pybus was a huge blunder...his heart is just not there for our team...
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Old October 8, 2012, 12:46 PM
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We will be fine as long as we have right team selection and right coaching staff. By fine I mean 1 draw in test and 2 ODI wins. But since we won't have it, i am worried about huge hue and cry from all corners of the world to terminate our test status during and after this series. Sad really...Pybus was a huge blunder...his heart is just not there for our team...
Yeah .. that's what worrying me now
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Old October 8, 2012, 12:50 PM
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We don't need his heart, but what we need is for him to fine tune these boys! Which he is not doing at the moment. Just eating all the money we give him.

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Old October 8, 2012, 12:58 PM
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We don't need his heart, but what we need is for him to fine tune these boys! Which he is not doing at the moment. Just eating all the money we give him.

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That's why salary should take into account performance
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Old October 8, 2012, 01:15 PM
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Well you know, those magical people that controls BCB, don't want that to happen. Bcb should follow some of bcci rules. The indian board is very strict.

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Old October 8, 2012, 08:28 PM
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That's why salary should take into account performance
easy to say, but with all this talk about the players not putting in 100% and not giving it their all and not trying to constantly improve, what coach would agree to coach a team when his salary is based on performance if the team aren't putting in enough? i think their should be a base salary, which is reasonable but nothing to crazy, then bonus's can be on offer depending on performance.

no coach will put their salary in the hands of players who don't work hard enough, and tbh who would be comfortable with their salary being dependent on others? is that even fair? if the coach is doing the best they can but the players don't put in the hard work it's not going to be the coach's fault for poor performance so why should he lose out (assuming they're a decent coach).
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Old October 8, 2012, 08:35 PM
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easy to say, but with all this talk about the players not putting in 100% and not giving it their all and not trying to constantly improve, what coach would agree to coach a team when his salary is based on performance if the team aren't putting in enough? i think their should be a base salary, which is reasonable but nothing to crazy, then bonus's can be on offer depending on performance.

no coach will put their salary in the hands of players who don't work hard enough, and tbh who would be comfortable with their salary being dependent on others? is that even fair? if the coach is doing the best they can but the players don't put in the hard work it's not going to be the coach's fault for poor performance so why should he lose out (assuming they're a decent coach).
Well then we got no choice, all coaches making big bucks and our team remaining losers. Atleast make players' salaries based on performance.. they have control over their own performance or not?
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Old October 8, 2012, 08:41 PM
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Well then we got no choice, all coaches making big bucks and our team remaining losers. Atleast make players' salaries based on performance.. they have control over their own performance or not?
i think the same would need to go for the players, it's their job so they need a base salary but like the coach maybe do a bonus thing when it comes to good performance. do they have control over their own performance? yes to a degree, but cricket is cricket, batsmen are always going to face good bowlers you might just bowler a pearler of a delivery in which there was nothing they can do but of course it's a consistency thing, overall players have a say in their performance, they control how hard they work on and off the field so yes they can control their performance for the most part. but no player will ever be able to perform every single time they step onto the field, but it's the players job to makes sure they do perform most of the time, at least more often than not (if not better).
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Old October 8, 2012, 08:47 PM
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i think the same would need to go for the players, it's their job so they need a base salary but like the coach maybe do a bonus thing when it comes to good performance. do they have control over their own performance? yes to a degree, but cricket is cricket, batsmen are always going to face good bowlers you might just bowler a pearler of a delivery in which there was nothing they can do but of course it's a consistency thing, overall players have a say in their performance, they control how hard they work on and off the field so yes they can control their performance for the most part. but no player will ever be able to perform every single time they step onto the field, but it's the players job to makes sure they do perform most of the time, at least more often than not (if not better).
Well life is not always fair, how is it fair that these players get paid thousands of dollars (plus sponsors/ ads etc) and the performance they give is zero? There needs to be certain standard, either salary should be based on performance plus bonus for good performance or players should be dropped for consistent non performance and get no money (Ashraful, shafiul, kayes etc)
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Old October 8, 2012, 08:51 PM
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Well life is not always fair, how is it fair that these players get paid thousands of dollars (plus sponsors/ ads etc) and the performance they give is zero? There needs to be certain standard, either salary should be based on performance plus bonus for good performance or players should be dropped for consistent non performance and get no money (Ashraful, shafiul, kayes etc)
the problem is when a player gets to the national team cricket is a job a profession, you need to be paid something because you need to put food on the table. problem is the culture of cricket in BD isn't professional enough, players don't take it seriously enough or put enough effort into it and that's exactly why we have this problem and why we are discussing solutions for it right here. if the players were more professional and put in the required effort we wouldn't have these issues.

the problem with dropping someone for doing badly is that at current the person who will replace them will likely not put in the effort and therefore will not get the performances. if the system was in good order then players who got dropped would be replaced by performing players and there would be no problem, but that's not how it is.

what they need to do is find players with the talent, and also players who are professional and willing to put in the effort and have the passion for the game, then there would be a better chance of succeeding.
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Old October 8, 2012, 08:54 PM
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the problem is when a player gets to the national team cricket is a job a profession, you need to be paid something because you need to put food on the table. problem is the culture of cricket in BD isn't professional enough, players don't take it seriously enough or put enough effort into it and that's exactly why we have this problem and why we are discussing solutions for it right here. if the players were more professional and put in the required effort we wouldn't have these issues.

the problem with dropping someone for doing badly is that at current the person who will replace them will likely not put in the effort and therefore will not get the performances. if the system was in good order then players who got dropped would be replaced by performing players and there would be no problem, but that's not how it is.
Well I dont know how its like in BD to have a job cause I never worked there but for people elsewhere you usually get fired or have a low paying job if you are incompetent at doing what you do. We need some serious changes starting from the top (Bcb)
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Old October 8, 2012, 08:56 PM
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Well I dont know how its like in BD to have a job cause I never worked there but for people elsewhere you usually get fired or have a low paying job if you are incompetent at doing what you do. We need some serious changes starting from the top (Bcb)
truth! no doubt you are right.
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Old October 8, 2012, 11:38 PM
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This WI team is coming off a world cup win and brimming with confidence. Furthermore, they just played in subcontinental conditions against the world's best slow/spin bowlers. So they'll be more than prepared to play in our conditions and take our bowling apart no matter what's thrown at them. Their players are tremendous athletes, skillful, powerful, hardworking, and hungry for success.

On current form and with our current crop of players, there simply is no silver bullet or recipe for success against this team.
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Old October 8, 2012, 11:49 PM
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Ash is our only hope. Maybe he can do some gangnam style moves and distract Gayle and Co. during the match.
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Old October 9, 2012, 04:45 PM
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What do you think? What's your recipe?
another series... another recipe...another prediction...another hope...another failure...don't you guys get bored?... sorry to say but I am bored...

brianlara7 said it all ...

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Old October 9, 2012, 05:10 PM
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another series... another recipe...another prediction...another hope...another failure...don't you guys get bored?... sorry to say but I am bored...

brianlara7 said it all ...
How can u get bored from losing?


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Old October 11, 2012, 04:05 AM
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This WI team is coming off a world cup win and brimming with confidence. Furthermore, they just played in subcontinental conditions against the world's best slow/spin bowlers. So they'll be more than prepared to play in our conditions and take our bowling apart no matter what's thrown at them. Their players are tremendous athletes, skillful, powerful, hardworking, and hungry for success.

On current form and with our current crop of players, there simply is no silver bullet or recipe for success against this team.
Of course, let's not forget that the WI Test team is likely to be very different from the T20 side....

The team that won the final of the world T20 champs was:

1) Chris Gayle
2) Johnson Charles
3) Marlon Samuels
4) Dwayne Bravo
5) Kieran Pollard
6) Andre Russell
7) Denesh Ramdin
8) Darren Sammy
9) Sunil Narine
10) Ravi Rampaul
11) Samuel Badree

And the team to play the first Test will most likely be:

1) Chris Gayle
2) Kieran Powell (not to be confused with Kieran Pollard!)
3) Darren Bravo (not to be confused with brother Dwayne!)
4) Shiv Chanderpaul
5) Marlon Samuels
6) Narsing Deonarine or Asad Fudadin
7) Denesh Ramdin
8) Darren Sammy
9) Kemar Roach
10) Sunil Narine
11) Ravi Rampaul
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Old October 11, 2012, 06:13 AM
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WI have really turned themselves around in the last year and a half, the test side might be different from the t20 side but they're still decent quality, they gave australia some troubles. the fact is with narine coming to the fore WIs spin attack has become a lot more potent. in narine they have a wicket-taker and someone who soaks up the runs, he didn't do so well in his first test outing but after that did a good job so i reckon he will be at worst decent in the test arena. now with narine taking wickets at a good econ rate it gives more leeway if they decide to play more than one spinner, guys like bishoo have potential so WI do have quite a decent spin attack especially when they're onsong. pace wise roach is really stepping it up and he has some decent back-up. so overall a really solid bowling unit with 2 genuine strike bowlers in roach and narine and good support bowlers.

as far as batting go they have gayle, chanderpaul, samuels and bravo who are all good scorers, capable of scoring big runs against even quality attacks.

BDs best hope is to strengthen the batting as much as they can and strengthen their spin as much as they can.
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Old October 11, 2012, 07:04 AM
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Of course, let's not forget that the WI Test team is likely to be very different from the T20 side....

The team that won the final of the world T20 champs was:

1) Chris Gayle
2) Johnson Charles
3) Marlon Samuels
4) Dwayne Bravo
5) Kieran Pollard
6) Andre Russell
7) Denesh Ramdin
8) Darren Sammy
9) Sunil Narine
10) Ravi Rampaul
11) Samuel Badree

And the team to play the first Test will most likely be:

1) Chris Gayle
2) Kieran Powell (not to be confused with Kieran Pollard!)
3) Darren Bravo (not to be confused with brother Dwayne!)
4) Shiv Chanderpaul
5) Marlon Samuels
6) Narsing Deonarine or Asad Fudadin
7) Denesh Ramdin
8) Darren Sammy
9) Kemar Roach
10) Sunil Narine
11) Ravi Rampaul
meh.. walk in the park for us
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Old October 11, 2012, 10:45 AM
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Of course, let's not forget that the WI Test team is likely to be very different from the T20 side....

The team that won the final of the world T20 champs was:

1) Chris Gayle
2) Johnson Charles
3) Marlon Samuels
4) Dwayne Bravo
5) Kieran Pollard
6) Andre Russell
7) Denesh Ramdin
8) Darren Sammy
9) Sunil Narine
10) Ravi Rampaul
11) Samuel Badree

And the team to play the first Test will most likely be:

1) Chris Gayle
2) Kieran Powell (not to be confused with Kieran Pollard!)
3) Darren Bravo (not to be confused with brother Dwayne!)
4) Shiv Chanderpaul
5) Marlon Samuels
6) Narsing Deonarine or Asad Fudadin
7) Denesh Ramdin
8) Darren Sammy
9) Kemar Roach
10) Sunil Narine
11) Ravi Rampaul
You guys should throw out fudadin or Powell and bring Dwayne bravo or Barath in tests. Powell is mediocre
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Old October 11, 2012, 11:18 AM
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Old October 11, 2012, 11:28 AM
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5 leftie in 6!
I think its a good plan as they know we will come out with only SLAs.
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Old October 11, 2012, 11:45 AM
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I think its a good plan as they know we will come out with only SLAs.
Shouldn't our selectors react to opposition's strategy ...?
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