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Old October 11, 2012, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Gowza
have to say i disagree to a degree. in early stages of learning a sport you can self learn just by watching professionals. i mean do you know how i learnt to bowl a cricket ball? by watching my older brother do it, he grabbed a ball told me to bowl it, i told him i didn't know how so he grabbed the ball off me and said this is how you do it and he bowled one down the other end of the driveway. that was my first lesson, and i'll tell you what, i certainly didn't get any coaching tips from my school coaches, so the way i learnt was from watching others and by my own observation with various things i tried.

same thing went for tennis, one day i just picked up a racket and started hitting, all i had done was watch some aussie open tennis, then once i realised i enjoyed it i went to get some ecoaching and they figured i was already playing competition tennis and had already been coached, a couple of months after that i was coaching myself.
Well i dont disagree to that. Self learning by observation is very much possible, but that's ok for amateurs. You really can't claim that you learnt to bowl or play tennis at the pro level. The physio dynamics you taught your muscles by repeated actions aren't good enough to develop you as a pro, so your growth will stop after certain stage, depending on the perfection of those you naturally picked. That's the limitation of learning without the assistance of a pro at an early age. That's also the reason why a lot of talented self taught sports personalities of our country don't progress beyond certain level, even under the best of the coaches. Because you taught yourself the wrong things and its very difficult to undo all those and teach you everything afresh. That takes some doing for anyone.

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if someone is naturally talented at something, and if they watch others and pay attention and learn from themselves and by watching others you can become decent. now i certainly haven't played any pro level sport, but i became an A grade tennis player with minimal coaching and was in my 2nd XI school cricket team and that was after previous injuries and during current ones where i couldn't even bowl to my fullest.
The word naturally tellented generally means, that he got a good lesson in early age/he luckily picked most of the right things at an early age, during self learning. So he made a natural progression to a class athlete under an expert in a professional environment later. But for that, you need to have the proper knowledge available at every level, that's what we mean when we talk about developing a culture of some sports. So, it becomes easy for the self learners to learn the right things at an early age.

If you look at the countries who are successful with sports without a culture of it, they pick guys at a very early stage to teach... And countries like Pakistan produce natural pacers because they have a culture of it, meaning the knowledge is available at very lower levels, for the self learners.

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...can't say it better. But you also need to work very hard and practise a lot from your early days. The value of expertise is something we spend a lot of time thinking about and if you’ve read the Malcolm Gladwell book Outliers, you’re familiar with the idea that it takes thousands of hours to perfect a skill. Having years (and thousands of hours) of dedicated focus and practice within a specific field is obviously highly valuable and allows a person to have a unique, proprietary perspective on that area.
Thanks. I agree to you completely and that's a more than useful book. Surely, Once you have the dynamics, you need to practice practice and practice to teach your body and brain. More you practice, more natural the skill becomes. Presence of Professionals provide the environment to control these practice sessions, so that the dynamics don't get changed in the process of repeatations.

Repeatative Practice is the difference between Knowledge and Skill... Many of our bowlers have the knowledge how to bowl a reverse, but they haven't acquired the skill through practice....,

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