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Old November 15, 2012, 04:42 PM
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Default IE10 & html5

IE10 was released couple of days ago for Win7 (Win8 IE10 was released in Aug). If you would like to try it out download here:
http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/in...s/default.html

Like IE9, IE10 has been complete ground up development from MS. Leaving all the bad publicity aside that accompanies IE, from pure objective perspective IE10 is FAST! I have started using it today and page renders are extremely fast, although in ms level, it is still perceivable.

You will definitely notice the difference if you are rending a complex site which includes HTML5 objects.

You can compare html5 render tests here, run FF & IE (performance will also depend on GPU power):
http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Pe...g/Default.html

Here is another one:
http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Pe...ce/Chalkboard/

Here are some real cool stuff with html5 at IE test drive site:
http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Default.html

If you are an IT professional, F12 (developer tools) from IE is fantastic. Includes complete JavaScript step by step debugger, run the webpage and put breakpoint to debug. If you haven't used it, you are missing out a lot. It also includes full transport profiler. You can check response in full details as its coming back from server.

Anyway, if that sounded biased, its not. I have safari, ie, ff, chrome all installed and running. IE10 is a leap forward in the right direction. If nothing else, just for the debug functionality its best out there.

Here are my FF16 and IE10 numbers
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Old November 15, 2012, 04:57 PM
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Don't forget the fishbowl. Pure html5, no flash here:
http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Performance/FishBowl/
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Old November 15, 2012, 05:08 PM
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People still use IE?
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Old November 15, 2012, 05:16 PM
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1. Mozilla
2. Chrome
3. IE
4. Netscape
5. AOL

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Old November 16, 2012, 11:31 AM
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Lately, FF has actually been kinda slow to me. I don't know if its due to all the ad-ons I like to use, but I don't think so. I feel much better using chrome these days. but I'll give IE10 a try.
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Old November 18, 2012, 03:09 AM
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Are you sure you are not a MSFT shill or anything? This almost reads like MSFT is paying you to write this post.

Yes IE is BETTER with html5 support and performance and general overall standard support for css/html and js performance. As it has been the case incrementally since IE7. But to point out benchmark specifically designed by IE to exploit elements of html5 (and other standard support) that IE is better at is just ludicrous.

Obviously MSFT browser does better in benchmark made by MSFT.
Kraken Benchmark is JS benchmark developed by mozilla and guess which browser performs best in this one? Of course FF!
V8 js Benchmark developed by Chrome and Chrome performs best in this benchmark.

There are lies, damn lies and benchmarks.

Real world usage is all that counts.

The whole html5 Valhalla is of-course a sick marketing joke because html5 is still not a standard and very much subject to massive changes until it reaches "candidate recommendation stage" which is at the end of 2014. Most serious web developer wouldn't touch html5 with a long stick until it reaches close to standardization. Sure its cool and new and shiny but its not ready yet for wide adoption for until another year or two.

Here are some third party (hopefully neutral) benchmark and review of IE10's performance compare to others:
http://html5test.com/results/desktop.html
http://www.zdnet.com/the-big-browser...ed-7000007401/
https://www.scirra.com/blog/103/ie10...or-html5-games
http://www.sitepoint.com/internet-ex...0-review-ie10/

As for developer tool in IE10, this is almost exactly the same one as in IE9. Webkit (powers chrome and safari) is virtually the industry standard in developer tools feature and performance, Opera's dragonfly is a close second but very few people actually uses Opera. Firefox firebug is of course the industry darling for the longest time but might be getting out of favor recently. The FF16 has an interesting take on their new built-in developer tool but I personally don't like it very much.

IE developer tools is pretty much the lowest common denominator in developer tools out there. The IE10 developer tools feature you mentioned has been around on webkit and others for at least 4-5 years now.

If I sound butt-hurt about anyone praising IE its probably because I am. Being a web-developer for 10+ years its very hard to like IE at all and easy to look through their lies and deception.

The best thing that ever happened to IE is Chrome. Once Chrome entered the scene, IE started getting their sh*t together.

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Old November 18, 2012, 10:05 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DTW-lTbXvk&feature=plcp
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Old November 29, 2012, 10:03 AM
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Relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=lD9FAOPBiDk

I thought this was really funny and clever by MSFT.
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Old November 29, 2012, 12:50 PM
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Does ie10 have all the adblock, facebook, turn down the lights, invert color extensions that are available in chrome?
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Old November 29, 2012, 01:33 PM
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Does ie10 have all the adblock, facebook, turn down the lights, invert color extensions that are available in chrome?
Adblock: There are quite a few, not sure which ones are good; haven't used them, search on: http://www.iegallery.com/Search?q=ad+block
Also, IE10 comes with default DNT enabled (do not track with ad cookie). There are lots of controversy with this and some ad servers aren't respecting this auto enabled DNT. Chrome doesn't have DNT feature, quite understandably. Here is nice blog on it. I don't really care for DNT, but privacy concerned folks might find it useful.

Facebook: You can use pinnedsites: http://www.iegallery.com/PinnedSites

Lights Off: http://www.iegallery.com/Addons/Details/12490

Invert color: I don't there its there. You can search on iegallery.com
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^ Thanks for the help - I will try out ie10 on win7.
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Old December 12, 2012, 10:52 PM
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serious vuln. on IE10: http://www.spider.io/blog/2012/12/in...-data-leakage/
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