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Old November 21, 2012, 03:36 PM
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Could it be the new era of of our test cricket? Have we just turned a corner? Could we now not only take the game to 5th day but open up the possibilities of swinging it our way? I think so. Before we would lose a test match inside 3/4 days. Now we can fight on the 5th day and can possibly grind a positive result. Our next lesson is to win from those situations that we failed to capitalise on the 5th day. I hope our boys take the next step. So far so good. I see a bright future in the test arena.

MUR plays an anchor role lower down the order. He's clam and calculated and I think no 8 suits him for that reason. Imagine Tamim at no 8. We will pack our bags in no time. MUR is just the opposite at 8. Same goes Nasir. Both are similar type of players.
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Old November 21, 2012, 04:15 PM
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Could it be the new era of of our test cricket? Have we just turned a corner? Could we now not only take the game to 5th day but open up the possibilities of swinging it our way? I think so. Before we would lose a test match inside 3/4 days. Now we can fight on the 5th day and can possibly grind a positive result. Our next lesson is to win from those situations that we failed to capitalise on the 5th day. I hope our boys take the next step. So far so good. I see a bright future in the test arena.

MUR plays an anchor role lower down the order. He's clam and calculated and I think no 8 suits him for that reason. Imagine Tamim at no 8. We will pack our bags in no time. MUR is just the opposite at 8. Same goes Nasir. Both are similar type of players.
difference is most of the batting line up nowadays averages around 30 or more and we bat the way down to 8 and then have some handy hitters. previously the specialist batsmen only averaged 20-25 so the batsmen are a lot more consistent now plus batting to #8 helps though it's not the best structure imo if you're looking to win matches.
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Old November 21, 2012, 04:21 PM
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Mofeez and Nazza! look grossly out of place in this lineup with their mid-twenty averages.

But the fact remains, our top/middle orders couldn't take us to 500 on the flattest of all flat tracks, flatter than Hilton's chest as Stick Cricket would put it. We had to rely on our #10 to save our buttocks. So a hundred *whip*s for each of #1-#7.
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Old November 21, 2012, 05:05 PM
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Michael Riyad. That's why.
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Old November 21, 2012, 05:13 PM
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With his consistent performance Riyad is the best test batsman at the moment . Best batsman always plays at # 3 position . Moreover he will be under less pressure to play with the top order rather with the bowlers .
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Old November 21, 2012, 05:28 PM
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With his consistent performance Riyad is the best test batsman at the moment . Best batsman always plays at # 3 position . Moreover he will be under less pressure to play with the top order rather with the bowlers .
well one could argue that nasir is the best atm. but anyway riyad hasn't really done that well when moved up the order, i think in tests he's a good finisher batting with the tail, i'd try nasir at #3 before riyad.
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Old November 21, 2012, 05:42 PM
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well one could argue that nasir is the best atm. but anyway riyad hasn't really done that well when moved up the order, i think in tests he's a good finisher batting with the tail, i'd try nasir at #3 before riyad.
Not true. He's got 2 fifty at #5 against england. He's got the start (30+)while batting at #4 but couldnt convert it. He is basically a middle order batsmen just like Naeem.
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Old November 21, 2012, 06:26 PM
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Not true. He's got 2 fifty at #5 against england. He's got the start (30+)while batting at #4 but couldnt convert it. He is basically a middle order batsmen just like Naeem.
we''ll have to agree to disagree here because when riyad has batted from the #4 spot to the #7 spot his average is only 21.66 with two half centuries in 9 innings. batting at #8 (not including the current test match) he averages 48.75 in 15 innings with 1 century and 4 half centuries. batting at #7 he averages 18 but he's only played 1 innings, batting at #6 he averages only 11 but again just one innings, at #5 he averages 26.80 where he has 2 half centuries in 5 innings (not so bad but the highest was only 59), at #4 he averages 16 from two innings.

stats pretty much indicate he's better down the order, ok he had some success at #5 but it wasn't outstanding and overall batting in the middle order (#8 has to be considered lower order imo and it is by most) he hasn't had too much success, and the stats say he has had a lot more success batting at #8.

i'm not saying he can't succeed in the middle order, i think he can but he is better further down, he prefers it and also i think there are others who do and would perform better than him in the middle order, shakib, nasir, naeem, mominul, mushy (although mushy is a bit similar to riyad, does better at 7 and 8 than higher up but when given the chance he has done slightly better than riyad batting at #5).

but anyway we were talking about the #3 position which is considered top order but i think really if you're going to move someone up from the lower order to bat at #3 then nasir has performed better than riyad and mushy in the short time he's so far been in the team so that indicates that he could be a better candidate imo.
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Old November 22, 2012, 03:24 AM
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Riyad and Nasir have to bat up the order. Both are very capable. Push Mushfiqur to 7 and pick an additional bowler. Nasir particularly could be a huge player for us.
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Old November 22, 2012, 03:37 AM
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Because Riyad plays well at 8....he is very bad at the top......
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Old November 22, 2012, 06:12 AM
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Who do you want to play at 8?
ofcourse mushy deserve that palace bro
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Old November 22, 2012, 06:14 AM
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this is beyond ridiculousness that people saying he should stay at 8; he's one of the most sensible batsmen in the team who keeps it calm, he should definitely come at middle order.


bro this is where bangladesh are making mistake and we have to wait longer and longer just to get win , we wouldn't lost the first test that easily if he was coming top of the order surely
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Old November 22, 2012, 06:52 AM
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bro this is where bangladesh are making mistake and we have to wait longer and longer just to get win , we wouldn't lost the first test that easily if he was coming top of the order surely
we have managed to invent an unique idea to make our fluent and in from batsmen to play under pressure.
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Old November 22, 2012, 10:32 AM
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Lets think logically. Possible positions where Riyad can bat.
#3: He dont have the courage to bat at #3
#4: This is a good place for him. Once we were craving for a #4 batsman. He never took the position despite offered to take the position several times.To me Naeem is perfect for #4.So no to Riyad for #4.
#5: Taken by Shakib.
#6: Best candidate for this position is Nasir. As Nasir is still very inexperienced then best candidate here is Mushy.
#7: Taken by Nasir.
#8: Only position left for Riyad.
So i dont see any upper position left for Riyad.Only option can be if we promote all batsman 1 up but putting Naeem at #3 will be risky now.
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Old November 22, 2012, 10:42 AM
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Riyad should bat at 5/6. Mushy should swap his place with Riyad. Riyad is technically better batsman than Mushy. Mushy struggles to play pace bowlers. So, its better for him if he bats down and play spin bowlers mostly.

1. Tamim
2. Walking wicket
3. Walking wicket
4. Naeem
5. Shakib
6. RIYAD
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Old November 22, 2012, 11:00 AM
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If #8 is the only possible slot for Riyad, then he should bowl more, because 8 batsmen is one too many, unless your #8 can bowl well too.

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Old November 22, 2012, 11:05 AM
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how can mushy deserve to bat at no.6 with the way he bats? mushy should bat at 8.
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Old November 22, 2012, 11:25 AM
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we have managed to invent an unique idea to make our fluent and in from batsmen to play under pressure.
That makes sense. Logically your best and inform player is best suited to take pressure.
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Old November 22, 2012, 11:34 AM
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I am pretty sure if Ryad is promoted and he phails we will all admit it was a bad.idea.
So I think what we could do is that if our top order gets some runs then only take a risk and promot him.
if top order fails as usual then bttr not change anything.

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Old November 22, 2012, 12:17 PM
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Let everyone bat in wherever they are....one innings and we start thinking too much into it...
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Old November 22, 2012, 12:33 PM
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We shouldn't be playing with 8 batsmen in the 1st place. It's pretty clear we needed Sunny in these last 2 matches. Also our #2 and #3 didn't do jack in the end. Promote Shakib or Nasir up to #3 since they have the ability to bat basically anywhere and have Anamul open with Tamim.

Also lets keep Riyad at #6/7. He's proved that he's more comfortable when playing down the order and playing with the tail. So why change that? He does that role pretty well. Don't fix what ain't broke.
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Old November 22, 2012, 06:18 PM
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Lets think logically. Possible positions where Riyad can bat.
#3: He dont have the courage to bat at #3
#4: This is a good place for him. Once we were craving for a #4 batsman. He never took the position despite offered to take the position several times.To me Naeem is perfect for #4.So no to Riyad for #4.
#5: Taken by Shakib.
#6: Best candidate for this position is Nasir. As Nasir is still very inexperienced then best candidate here is Mushy.
#7: Taken by Nasir.
#8: Only position left for Riyad.
So i dont see any upper position left for Riyad.Only option can be if we promote all batsman 1 up but putting Naeem at #3 will be risky now.
Since we would need Shakib to bowl So many overs in future in test and his batting too so he should be pushed down to #6 to make him last longer. Riyad has been playing international cricket for a while and scored runs too so it will not be too difficult for him to settle down at #4. And nasir should come at #5 because he can play his natural game even under and Naeem has patience and ability to anchor the innings at #3.


Law also set riyad up in the middle during his tenure and he scored some runs too.
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Old November 22, 2012, 06:57 PM
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Bad idea because we do these kind of things time to time when players are performing at their current position and always fail by moving them up well most of the time. Lower down the order in Tests and ODIs is perfectly fine by him.
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Old December 30, 2012, 04:34 AM
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The way Riyad batted today,he never should be promoted. Bering the captain he dont have enough courage to bat up for central Zone? His team is losing the match and he is watching from dressing room? Such a coward. He never should be promoted above #8.
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Old December 30, 2012, 12:17 PM
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he was injured. still scored a 50 and saved his team from defeat
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