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Old November 25, 2012, 08:21 AM
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Old November 25, 2012, 01:31 PM
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In the last decade we played 61 Test matches, playing 120 innings. Amongst them we crossed 270 22 times. That's 18.3%.

Since the turn of the decade, we've scored over 270 18 times out of 28, including 9 in a row spanning 5 Test matches. That represents a significant boost to 64.3%.

When you regularly score over 540 runs in a match the less chance of suffering an innings defeat, which is exactly what's happened. Amongst our 52 Test defeats in the previous decade, we lost by an innings 30 times (57.7%). This decade amongst our 13 defeats, only 2 have been by an innings (15.4%). It's not much to shout about but we have to look at the small improvements before looking at the bigger improvements.
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Old November 25, 2012, 01:43 PM
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It's sad to see our pacers regress. In the last decade our pacers took account for 50% of our Test wickets. In fact only 1 wicket seperated pacers (287) from spinners (286). Pacers averaged 55.2 whilst spinners averaged 46.89 in total. This decade our pacers have only taken 49 wickets at an unacceptable 77.5. This is in contrast to spinners who've taken 110 wickets at 45.16. Pacers have accounted for 30.8% of our wickets compared to 50% the previous decade. The only way we can improve this is by setting up a pace academy and investing in our pacers.
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Old November 25, 2012, 01:49 PM
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nobody gives a crap about meaningless stats (shakib/ nasir 100, abul's fluke century, gazi 5 wicket etc) when you are losing every test match you play.
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Old November 25, 2012, 02:12 PM
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au contraire, as the article shared by Nadim and Dilscoop in the Raju thread demonstrated, plenty of people took notice: http://blogs.espncricinfo.com/sadist...ul_hasan_i.php

In fact, this Test will soon be forgotten. Bangladesh losing is (unfortunately) part of the order of things. Abul, the 20 year old debutant, scoring a century in his first innings at No. 10 thus living every cricket-lover's fantasy is something people will not forget for a while. (A bit like Ajit Agarkar's century at Lords)
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Old April 13, 2013, 08:48 PM
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Default Update after SL Tests

So since the beginning of this thread, ie since the WI series last November our cumulative averages are as follows:

Batting = 36.76
Bowling = 65.66
Ratio = 0.560

So we haven't really improved from the WI series to the SL series in terms of overall competitiveness.
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Old April 15, 2013, 12:51 AM
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In contrast, Zimbabwe's stats in their 6 Tests since re-admission are:

Batting = 23.36
Bowling = 38.41
Ratio = 0.608

If you take out their win against us, then only does their ratio drop to 0.476, which is still not that much poorer than ours.

This indicates that we've been playing "well" on really flat batting tracks whereas Zimbabwe have played on far more sporting wickets at home, in NZ (seam friendly), and WI (spin friendly). Based on these numbers, the series should be closer than most of us expect, which is disappointing and scary at the same time!
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That's why it is such a critical test for us. We must go all out and win these 2 tests at any cost. I really don't want to see some of the silly mistakes were made on and off the field by our coaches and selectors, like playing 3 pacers in the last Test.
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Old April 15, 2013, 11:16 AM
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In contrast, Zimbabwe's stats in their 6 Tests since re-admission are:

Batting = 23.36
Bowling = 38.41
Ratio = 0.608

If you take out their win against us, then only does their ratio drop to 0.476, which is still not that much poorer than ours.

This indicates that we've been playing "well" on really flat batting tracks whereas Zimbabwe have played on far more sporting wickets at home, in NZ (seam friendly), and WI (spin friendly). Based on these numbers, the series should be closer than most of us expect, which is disappointing and scary at the same time!
Great analysis ... And we will have tougher time than SL.... My expectations will be based on seeing their performances on the ground and how they will adopt on sporting or Seam wkt. It seems that it will come down our batsmen strength on these wkts and how are spinners adjust to it
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Old April 20, 2013, 03:51 PM
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Through our last 5 matches now...

Bat avg = 31.77
Bowl avg = 57.46
Ratio = 0.553

Just the ZIM match alone our ratio is 0.388 (ie almost as poor as how we used to perform in our early days of Test cricket).
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Old September 6, 2014, 08:06 PM
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Thought I had updated this thread, but I guess I've only updated my personal record book. Anyways, coming into the ongoing St Vincent Test our stats are:

Bat avg = 35.37 (we're actually ranked 4th out of the 10 test nations)
Bowl avg = 53.59 (SL are next worst but much better)
Ratio = 0.660 (dead last)
Ratio at start of thread = 0.547
Ratio of first 2 years (2000-2003) = 0.323

Current ratios for the other 9 teams:

1) SA = 1.260
2) AUS = 1.179
3) SL = 1.089
4) ENG = 1.054
5) WI = 0.973
6) NZ = 0.965
7) IND = 0.960
8) PAK = O.808
9) ZIM = 0.743

As one can see, we're way behind due to our pathetic bowling stocks. And with the WI 407-3 at the momemt, it can only get worse.
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No improvement at all since 2001.
This statement is still valid.
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Old September 6, 2014, 11:34 PM
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This statement is still valid.
Not true. 2001 ratio was less than a third (0.323).

2014 its two thirds (0.660).

We're in striking distance of Zimbabwe and Pakistan. 2001 no one was near us.
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Old September 16, 2014, 11:53 PM
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Default Sep 2014 update

We took a big hit:

Bat avg = 32.66
Bowl avg = 53.72
Ratio = 0.608

Can we cross ZIM by the end our series?
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Old October 31, 2014, 04:11 PM
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Default Nov 2014 update

after the first ZIM test:

bat avg = 31.77
bowl avg = 49.46
ratio = 0.642

we have improved slighly due to such a narrow win against ZIM. ZIM also improved their ratio since readmission in 2011 due to the small margin of defeat (current 0.751). its important that we thrash them in the remaining matches.

So since the start of this thread 2 yrs ago...our progression is:

0.55 (baseline from 2010-12)

0.633
0.544
0.560
0.553
0.660
0.608

0.642 (current)

we've spent most of our time hovering around 550, we need to try and use the ZIM series to get past 700 and then stay there against the top sides. inshallah we can do it and also go past ZIM as well.
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It's sad to see our pacers regress. In the last decade our pacers took account for 50% of our Test wickets. In fact only 1 wicket seperated pacers (287) from spinners (286). Pacers averaged 55.2 whilst spinners averaged 46.89 in total. This decade our pacers have only taken 49 wickets at an unacceptable 77.5. This is in contrast to spinners who've taken 110 wickets at 45.16. Pacers have accounted for 30.8% of our wickets compared to 50% the previous decade. The only way we can improve this is by setting up a pace academy and investing in our pacers.
This has more to do with Spinners taking more wickets(Read: Shakib + sunny + Gazi). nothing much changed for the pacers except Shahadat declined/digressed over the years big time.
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Old November 8, 2014, 02:23 AM
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Default 2nd ZIM Test update

We have passed ZIM on the ICC rankings table apparently...I'm not quite sure, I think we need a 3-0 to pass them, but everyone is saying we've passed them so maybe its true.

But in bat/bowl ratios we're still behind although we've narrowed the gap.

Our ratio is at an all time high...0.683

ZIM are at 0.747.
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We have passed ZIM on the ICC rankings table apparently...I'm not quite sure, I think we need a 3-0 to pass them, but everyone is saying we've passed them so maybe its true.

But in bat/bowl ratios we're still behind although we've narrowed the gap.

Our ratio is at an all time high...0.683

ZIM are at 0.747.
Even if we lose, we'll have 27 ranking points and Zimbabwe will have 25. If we draw we'll have 30 and Zim 21 and if we win we'd have 32 and Zim 18.

This is all according to the BC tool here.

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Even if we lose, we'll have 27 ranking points and Zimbabwe will have 25. If we draw we'll have 30 and Zim 31 and if we win we'd have 32 and Zim 18.

This is all according to the BC tool here.
So if we lose we will remain no. 9 but if we draw we will become 10th?

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So if we lose we will remain no. 9 but if we draw we will become 10th?

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i feel even though we will be 9, zim deserves it more..they beat a G8 side in test..something we can only dream of atm
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Even if we lose, we'll have 27 ranking points and Zimbabwe will have 25. If we draw we'll have 30 and Zim 21 and if we win we'd have 32 and Zim 18.

This is all according to the BC tool here.
Thanks Tiger.

I would not mind a draw to be honest. The third Test will be great test of endurance for both teams, given none has played a three match Test series in recent past.
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Old November 8, 2014, 08:24 PM
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i feel even though we will be 9, zim deserves it more..they beat a G8 side in test..something we can only dream of atm
They beat an Asian side at home on friendly surfaces. They did the same thing to AUS last month in an ODI. That would be like us beating NZ, AUS, SA at home. But we make flat roads that actually hand home field advantage to the stronger side. If we made turners for NZ/Sa/WI we wouldn't have drawn any matches but wed have won one or two by now.

Things might change now that we have decent spinners instead of Razzak.

If they deserved to be 9th, they'd have been 9th, which they were. Besides Pak are bipolar...they can beat Australia and lose to Zimbabwe. No team is as unpredictable as them.
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They beat an Asian side at home on friendly surfaces. They did the same thing to AUS last month in an ODI. That would be like us beating NZ, AUS, SA at home. But we make flat roads that actually hand home field advantage to the stronger side. If we made turners for NZ/Sa/WI we wouldn't have drawn any matches but wed have won one or two by now.

Things might change now that we have decent spinners instead of Razzak.

If they deserved to be 9th, they'd have been 9th, which they were. Besides Pak are bipolar...they can beat Australia and lose to Zimbabwe. No team is as unpredictable as them.
what we could have done, would have happened has no pedigree unless we do it, i am talking about tests only

and us saying pak are bipolar is funny..yes they can lose to anybody and win against anybody, but still they haven't lost to us right?..untill that happens we can't say this like beating pak isn't that of a big achievement as they can lose anytime
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what we could have done, would have happened has no pedigree unless we do it, i am talking about tests only

and us saying pak are bipolar is funny..yes they can lose to anybody and win against anybody, but still they haven't lost to us right?..untill that happens we can't say this like beating pak isn't that of a big achievement as they can lose anytime
Hypotheticals are certainly valid if you think Zim should be leading the current series 2-0 because they beat Pak last year. Or that Zim should be 9th cuz they lost to the 10th ranked side. Yes, that makes sense.

If Zim deserved to be 9th they would have beaten us plain and simple. They didn't even beat us at home...series drawn 1-1. On what basis should they be 9th? And why stop at 9? Why not say Zim should be #1? See I can be silly too.

Zim won 1 test by the smallest of margins. 25 runs. We drew 4 tests recently, one overseas.
If Zim were better they'd have drawn a few as well. That's how you know the win was a fluke. Tiny margin, no draws.

And speaking of silly, your signature is out of context.

We lost to Kenya when we were ourselves Associates. Kenya qualified for a world cup before we did, they are supposed to beating us even today. Canada also qualified for a world cup 20 years before we did. Just to make it clear, imagine 30 years from now Papua New Guinea loses to us in a Test match...well its not going to be humiliating for them because we were always ahead of them.

Ireland already beat a Pakistan before they beat us. Same with Netherlands who beat England in T20 and beat us in T30. So you can't count them. Afghanistan beat us when we were missing 4 players : Shakib batsman, Shakib bowler, Tamim, Mashrafee. Might as well count A team women's cricket losses too then.

Only HK and Scotland should qualify as first time Associate losses who never beat any Test team nor qualified for WC before us with full strength side.
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