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Old December 3, 2012, 05:58 AM
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I think Shakib should replace Riyad...not Naeem.... He is much better now with the bat than Mullah and Mullah's bowling isn't needed when Shakib comes in....
riyad and naeem are pretty similar players except riyad probably slightly more of a wicket taker and naeem is a better bat. naeem has the ability to bat at #3 or #4, riyad i think not as much...
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Old December 3, 2012, 06:52 AM
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Shahriar I still feel deserves more chances I mean we have a big tour in terms of matches in Zimbabwe in 2013 and we all know Shahriar has one of the best records against Zimbabwe so it would be best to have him partner Tamim in that series allowing Anamul to settle in his usual position 3. I won't be surprised if Shahriar scores a double 100 in tests against Zimbabwe. His only problem is playing the short pitched ball aimed at his body which isn't really his fault considering he hardly faces these kind of deliveries in NCL.
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Old December 3, 2012, 06:57 AM
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Shahriar I still feel deserves more chances I mean we have a big tour in terms of matches in Zimbabwe in 2013 and we all know Shahriar has one of the best records against Zimbabwe so it would be best to have him partner Tamim in that series allowing Anamul to settle in his usual position 3. I won't be surprised if Shahriar scores a double 100 in tests against Zimbabwe. His only problem is playing the short pitched ball aimed at his body which isn't really his fault considering he hardly faces these kind of deliveries in NCL.
At first please tell SN to get his head right before expecting to play for the national side again. A senior player, who barely survives 30 runs in test matches by playing compulsive hooks and pulls, should nowhere be near the national team.
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Old December 3, 2012, 07:03 AM
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At first please tell SN to get his head right before expecting to play for the national side again. A senior player, who barely survives 30 runs in test matches by playing compulsive hooks and pulls, should nowhere be near the national team.
Yeah but he averages more than Tamim in ODIs despite the fact playing less matches than him so that says something. Plus he's a decent fielder especially at silly and slips which Bangladesh have a problem catching in. When it comes to the experience players between Shariar and Ashraful, it will always be Shahriar for me.
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Old December 3, 2012, 07:37 AM
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Yeah but he averages more than Tamim in ODIs despite the fact playing less matches than him so that says something. Plus he's a decent fielder especially at silly and slips which Bangladesh have a problem catching in. When it comes to the experience players between Shariar and Ashraful, it will always be Shahriar for me.
We are talking about dropping both SN and Ash.

Last 10 innings of SN in ODI: 25, 7,7, 0, 14, 14, 60, 56, 0, 5. His average in last 10 innings is 18.8

Last 10 innings of Tamim in ODI: 5, 58, 60, 59, 70, 64, 0, 4, 0, 36*. His average in last 10 innings is 39.56.

I think I should not talk more about the batting comparison between these two.

SN is a pretty much lazy fielder. I have seen him dropping catches in slip cordon regularly.
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Old December 3, 2012, 09:07 AM
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Yeah but he averages more than Tamim in ODIs despite the fact playing less matches than him so that says something. Plus he's a decent fielder especially at silly and slips which Bangladesh have a problem catching in. When it comes to the experience players between Shariar and Ashraful, it will always be Shahriar for me.
err shouldn't that be the case?, not despite that?..less matches=better avg
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Old December 3, 2012, 09:18 AM
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err shouldn't that be the case?, not despite that?..less matches=better avg
Eh? How's that? Avg = total runs cored divided by the number of times out.

Less matches played also means less chances to have scored. Average is a normalizer - so that you can compare two batsmen without regards to number of matches played. Of course, fewer matches might mean the data is less statistically significant. And of course, you have to factor in the quality of the opposition.
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Old December 3, 2012, 09:33 AM
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His only problem is playing the short pitched ball aimed at his body which isn't really his fault considering he hardly faces these kind of deliveries in NCL
Did u forget that his favourite shot is poking the one angling out after landing on middle or off stick
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Old December 3, 2012, 09:38 AM
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Shahriar I still feel deserves more chances I mean we have a big tour in terms of matches in Zimbabwe in 2013 and we all know Shahriar has one of the best records against Zimbabwe so it would be best to have him partner Tamim in that series allowing Anamul to settle in his usual position 3. I won't be surprised if Shahriar scores a double 100 in tests against Zimbabwe. His only problem is playing the short pitched ball aimed at his body which isn't really his fault considering he hardly faces these kind of deliveries in NCL.
SN needs to earn his way back and by the looks of our younger guys, it looks like it'll be tough. I wouldn't change the lineup of this team honestly. I'd probably consider bringing Imrul instead of Jahurul for the Sri Lanka tour but thats about it. Imrul has a far better record in ODI's compared to SN.
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Old December 3, 2012, 09:47 AM
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riyad and naeem are pretty similar players except riyad probably slightly more of a wicket taker and naeem is a better bat.
nah dude Riyad is more capable batsmen than naeem. Riyad has more shots on hand than where naeem has less shots and also restricted himself to play shots only ball is on his comfort zone.. But naeem has better resilience
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Old December 3, 2012, 09:52 AM
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The way SN got out in the 2nd innings of the 2nd innings was really painful to watch and it clearly indicates his inability to face quality fast bowling. I don't care what he did million years ago. I want to see what he is doing now.

SN, Junaed, Nazza are done.. They are young for sure but don't think they have what it takes to improve drastically. Time to focus on Anamul and Mominul. So let's move on.
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The term "deadwood" is rather a description of "state of a player" in the team rather than a "permanent label" of a player. You need a greater group of core players so that you can replace a player before he goes close to "deadwood state"; which is not good for a player as well as for the team.

Today's deadwood is the by-product of BCB's mis-management, just removing them today will not eliminate tomorrow's problem. And castigating today's deadwood players for the rest of their career will also not address the problem.

It's mainly the BCB management that created and harboured the "deadwood" problem in our team in the past; they prefered "experience without performance" over "inexperiance with good track record"; they used wrong data (ODI success to justify TEST inclusion for example) to justify a player's inclusion; ignored current form; failed to create competetion in each position; failed to take bold decisions to fill up team's need; failed to decipline repeated offenders of some crime; failed to establish guidleline how players will be evaluated, punished, rewarded and promoted.

Now that the selectors are making more bold decisions, bringing new competetion; rewarding new players for their performance; in the future we will see different results from these same group of current deadwoods, if they come back again.

Hopefully from now on: new or old, all will be working hard to retain their position in the team. Nothing will granted for long....if you cannot produce repeatedly ... you need to step aside and let the next player show what he can bring in the table. That doen't mean its End of their career; it only means ... if you are close to deadwood state; you need to take a break and fix it outside the team and then again wait in the line for next chance...which may come sooner... or which may not come again.... nobody said life is easy... specially a player's life.

Ofcourse there should be some life line for exceptional expereicned players who have produced consitently in the past. But those should be exception, not the norm.
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Old December 3, 2012, 11:04 AM
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The term "deadwood" is rather description a "state of a player" in the team rather than a permanent label for a player. You need a greater group of core players so that you can replace a player before he goes into "deadwood state"; which is not good for a player as well as for the team. Today's deadwood is the by-product of BCB's mismanagement, just removing them today will not eliminate tomorrow's problem. And castigating today's deadwood for the rest of their career will also not address the problem.

It's mainly the BCB management that created and harboured the "deadwood" problem in our team in the past; they prefered "experience without performance" over "inexperiance with good track record"; they used wrong data (ODI success to justify TEST inclusion for example) to justify a player's inclusion; ignored current form; failed to create competetion in each position; failed to take bold decisions to fill up team's need; failed to decipline repeated offenders of some crime; failed to establish guidleline how players will be evaluated, rewarded and promoted.
Now that the selectors are making more bold decisions, bringing new competetion; rewarding new players for their performance; in the future we will see different results from these same group of current deadwoods if they come back again.

Hopefully form now: new or old, all will be working hard to retain their position in the team. Nothing is granted for long....if you cannot produce repeatedly ... you need to step aside and let the next player show what he can bring in the table. That doen't mean its End of their career; it only means ... if you are close to deadwood state; you need to take a break and fix it outside the team and then again wait in the line for next chance...which may come sooner... or which may not come again.... nobody said life is easy... specially a player's life.

Ofcourse there should be some life line for exceptional expereicned players who have produced consitently in the past. But those should be exception, not the norm.
Couldn't have said it better myself than you did Fazal bhai
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Old December 3, 2012, 11:36 AM
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Im still not sold at all on Naeem and Riyad's places in the ODI side. Please no Imrul and bump Anamul down to his natural #3 slot. I think next season we can look to bring in Asif and Soumya and perhaps even Hom.
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Old December 3, 2012, 11:42 AM
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^soumya lost his form this seasn. He should take at least one season to make runs and got his act right before coming close to Tiger's camp
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Old December 3, 2012, 12:12 PM
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Sorry but SS is overrated probably another version of Kayes. Mahmudullah knows how to play the game he's experienced and when Bangladesh do collapse, he always seems to bring us in an okay position plus a handy off spinner who can break a vital partnership if required. I know its too soon but when Bangladesh have their next test assignment in late February against Sri Lanka, this should be the ideal test line-up:-

01.Tamim
02.Shahriar (He's experienced and Sri Lanka pace is far weaker compared to West Indies)
03.Anamul
04.Naeem
05.Shakib
06.Nasir
07.Rahim
08.Mahmudullah
09.Abul
10.Gazi
11.Rubel

Considering the fact that Bangladesh prefer spin over pace and the wicket in Sri Lanka will offer turn lots of it then its certainly possible that Bangladesh will beat Sri Lanka at least in 1 test match. Don't forget that Malinga does not play test matches so as long as we don't use old timers inexperienced ones like Nazimuddin, Junaed, Raqibul, etc then we'll do much better in the coming future. If you don't like Shahriar then try Mithun Ali or Tushan Imran to spice it up a bit.
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Im still not sold at all on Naeem and Riyad's places in the ODI side. Please no Imrul and bump Anamul down to his natural #3 slot. I think next season we can look to bring in Asif and Soumya and perhaps even Hom.
Soumya has yet to hit a FC century. On top of that he was very inconsistent at the U19 level. I'd wait on him. He's nowhere near Anamul, who hit 7 centuries and an average of a 36 in U19's to get in to the national team. He has his work cut out.

Asif could be considered but I'm also not as sold on him as I am with Anamul or Mominul since he too was very inconsistent as the U19 level. Bring him in to the A team and see if he can handle quality attacks before throwing him in.

Also Anamul just hit a century at the opner spot. Unnecessary, in my opinion to bump him to #3. Rather I'd have Shakib at #3 when he's back and then bring in Alauddin at #7 since he's been rated very highly and also because we lack quality pace allrounders.
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Soumya has yet to hit a FC century.
Aftab Ahmed took a gazillion matches to score an FC hundred and he's the best batsman we've ever produced. If he can, why can't Sumaiya?
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Sorry but SS is overrated probably another version of Kayes. Mahmudullah knows how to play the game he's experienced and when Bangladesh do collapse, he always seems to bring us in an okay position plus a handy off spinner who can break a vital partnership if required. I know its too soon but when Bangladesh have their next test assignment in late February against Sri Lanka, this should be the ideal test line-up:-

01.Tamim
02.Shahriar (He's experienced and Sri Lanka pace is far weaker compared to West Indies)
03.Anamul
04.Naeem
05.Shakib
06.Nasir
07.Rahim
08.Mahmudullah
09.Abul
10.Gazi
11.Rubel

Considering the fact that Bangladesh prefer spin over pace and the wicket in Sri Lanka will offer turn lots of it then its certainly possible that Bangladesh will beat Sri Lanka at least in 1 test match. Don't forget that Malinga does not play test matches so as long as we don't use old timers inexperienced ones like Nazimuddin, Junaed, Raqibul, etc then we'll do much better in the coming future. If you don't like Shahriar then try Mithun Ali or Tushan Imran to spice it up a bit.
You mean Tushar Imran, the guy who boasts a single digit average as a specialist batsman? Ya sure that will spice things up. SL bowlers will make him in to a SL spicy cocunut curry dish!

Also your post is pretty contradictory. Your saying you don't want old timers in Nazim, Junaid and Raqibul but want SN? I'd drop SN in your lineup and bump everyone up 1 spot and then bring in Sunny.
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Sorry but SS is overrated probably another version of Kayes. Mahmudullah knows how to play the game he's experienced and when Bangladesh do collapse, he always seems to bring us in an okay position plus a handy off spinner who can break a vital partnership if required. I know its too soon but when Bangladesh have their next test assignment in late February against Sri Lanka, this should be the ideal test line-up:-

01.Tamim
02.Shahriar (He's experienced and Sri Lanka pace is far weaker compared to West Indies)
03.Anamul
04.Naeem
05.Shakib
06.Nasir
07.Rahim
08.Mahmudullah
09.Abul
10.Gazi
11.Rubel

Considering the fact that Bangladesh prefer spin over pace and the wicket in Sri Lanka will offer turn lots of it then its certainly possible that Bangladesh will beat Sri Lanka at least in 1 test match. Don't forget that Malinga does not play test matches so as long as we don't use old timers inexperienced ones like Nazimuddin, Junaed, Raqibul, etc then we'll do much better in the coming future. If you don't like Shahriar then try Mithun Ali or Tushan Imran to spice it up a bit.
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Aftab Ahmed took a gazillion matches to score an FC hundred and he's the best batsman we've ever produced. If he can, why can't Sumaiya?
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You mean Tushar Imran, the guy who boasts a single digit average as a specialist batsman? Ya sure that will spice things up. SL bowlers will make him in to a SL spicy cocunut curry dish!

Also your post is pretty contradictory. Your saying you don't want old timers in Nazim, Junaid and Raqibul but want SN? I'd drop SN in your lineup and bump everyone up 1 spot and then bring in Sunny.
That was a spelling mistake but I probably confused myself to someone else who has a very good first class average. No point of including Sunny when the Cricket pitches are dead flat or not suited to spin otherwise he'll get smacked out of the park like against New Zealand at the World T20. Shahriar is a good player of spin and when it comes to experience, he's probably the best we got along with Ashraful though both have been known as failures but Shahriar is more consistent of the 2 and others so that's why I would still consider choosing him and close the door for the others.
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alauddin should be around the team, shuvagata to.
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