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Old January 20, 2013, 01:36 PM
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I am starting to worry for Abul Hasan, few months back he bowled consistently bowl @ 85mph, and now he bowls at 70-80 mph majority of his overs. Abul hasan is still young, but its time to improve lads, let the people continue saying things against you, coach's and some fans are always supportive of you, one for the future.
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Old January 20, 2013, 05:31 PM
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Abul was the biggest weaklink for Sylhet last year BPL and keep continuing that form this year with Duronto. Definitely dont deserv in national t20 side, who already solely cost us lots of matches.
Lots of matches? Could you please list which matches? He hasn't played many matches for the national team.
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Old January 20, 2013, 06:22 PM
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Give him a few years to develop...He clearly isn't ready for international cricket. However, MashaAllah he does have talent and consistency is his problem. Therefore, He should be groomed properly and perhaps Should be sent to coach Pont or a fine bowling academy.
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Old January 20, 2013, 06:25 PM
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I did like the way he bowled with loads of aggression in a couple of matches against West Indies. Other than that, He is very inconsistent. for a fast bowler or raw talent and young age coming out of Bangladesh or any other test playing nation in world cricket, this is the norm not the exception. Dale Steyn had to do some fine tuning himself to get the control right. once he got that, He is a beast. I see hope but we need to be patient with him.
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Old January 20, 2013, 07:06 PM
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Abul is definately not of international quality. Nazmul or Dollar looks much better than he is.
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Old January 20, 2013, 07:16 PM
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Give him a few years to develop...He clearly isn't ready for international cricket. However, MashaAllah he does have talent and consistency is his problem. Therefore, He should be groomed properly and perhaps Should be sent to coach Pont or a fine bowling academy.
I agree that he's not ready yet. Have him go through more A team tours and domestics in the mean time.
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Old January 20, 2013, 07:20 PM
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I agree that he's not ready yet. Have him go through more A team tours and domestics in the mean time.
No objection there
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Old January 20, 2013, 07:55 PM
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With the CURRENT highest TEST Average in the World, any reason why he is still not opening in BPL? :p

Overall figures
Abul Hasan (Ban) 2012-2012 1 2 1 120 113 120.00 1 0 0
AG Ganteaume (WI) 1948-1948 1 1 0 112 112 112.00 1 0 0
F du Plessis (SA) 2012-2013 4 6 2 445 137 111.25 2 2 0
DG Bradman (Aus) 1928-1948 52 80 10 6996 334 99.94 29 13 7
MN Nawaz (SL) 2002-2002 1 2 1 99 78* 99.00 0 1 0
VH Stollmeyer (WI) 1939-1939 1 1 0 96 96 96.00 0 1 0
JE Root (Eng) 2012-2012 1 2 1 93 73 93.00 0 1 0
DM Lewis (WI) 1971-1971 3 5 2 259 88 86.33 0 3 0
RE Redmond (NZ) 1973-1973 1 2 0 163 107 81.50 1 1 0
BA Richards (SA) 1970-1970 4 7 0 508 140 72.57 2 2 0
H Wood (Eng) 1888-1892 4 4 1 204 134* 68.00 1 1 0

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting
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Old January 21, 2013, 08:53 AM
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With the CURRENT highest TEST Average in the World, any reason why he is still not opening in BPL? :p

Overall figures
Abul Hasan (Ban) 2012-2012 1 2 1 120 113 120.00 1 0 0
AG Ganteaume (WI) 1948-1948 1 1 0 112 112 112.00 1 0 0
F du Plessis (SA) 2012-2013 4 6 2 445 137 111.25 2 2 0
DG Bradman (Aus) 1928-1948 52 80 10 6996 334 99.94 29 13 7
MN Nawaz (SL) 2002-2002 1 2 1 99 78* 99.00 0 1 0
VH Stollmeyer (WI) 1939-1939 1 1 0 96 96 96.00 0 1 0
JE Root (Eng) 2012-2012 1 2 1 93 73 93.00 0 1 0
DM Lewis (WI) 1971-1971 3 5 2 259 88 86.33 0 3 0
RE Redmond (NZ) 1973-1973 1 2 0 163 107 81.50 1 1 0
BA Richards (SA) 1970-1970 4 7 0 508 140 72.57 2 2 0
H Wood (Eng) 1888-1892 4 4 1 204 134* 68.00 1 1 0

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting
that is some stats for faf du plessis ....... he is some cricketer ...... lets see if he can maintain that average for a longer time
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Old January 21, 2013, 10:26 AM
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Lots of matches? Could you please list which matches? He hasn't played many matches for the national team.
Sorry I dont play with statistical numbers anymore. Having BD played most number of t20s, I followed all BD matches last year where he somehow managed to glued in the squad even failures after failures. He just couldnt deliver anything near satisfactory as a young starter, leave nat side worthyness. Thats my one line equation for him. Moment I heard he got into Duronto, I know this team is doomed with him.
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Old January 21, 2013, 10:54 AM
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Sorry I dont play with statistical numbers anymore. Having BD played most number of t20s, I followed all BD matches last year where he somehow managed to glued in the squad even failures after failures. He just couldnt deliver anything near satisfactory as a young starter, leave nat side worthyness. Thats my one line equation for him. Moment I heard he got into Duronto, I know this team is doomed with him.
He won them a match so far and lost them one. Also we all really like to attack Abul but lets realize one thing, all our pacers are pretty poor. Rubel and Shafiul were improving until they got injured and we know how Shahadat is. I know Abul is not very good now but are we really seeing any young pacers coming out? I agree with this though that he needs more A team experience and bring him back when he's more ready
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Old January 21, 2013, 11:12 AM
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Rubel and Shafiul have improved as fast bowlers since the world cup but I would like them to be consistent and make the batsman play and hit the seam more. Mashrafe and Nazmul are our best 2 fast bowlers at the moment and its important these 4 stay together and take care of their fitness and all that because other than them, the rest are not good.

BCB need to sort out their fast bowling now otherwise we won't be winning test matches.
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Old January 21, 2013, 11:45 AM
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Currently Mashrafee and Nazmul are our stopgap solution, they cannot be our part of long term or even mid term solution.

We (BCB) need to find 3/4 more young FBs to make a core of 5/6 FBs who should be rotated in the team of 11 to keep them injury free and hungry.

... and there comes players like Abul... he may not be ready yet, be over time he can be one of those core FBs.... if not, then we need to find someone else.... but its too early to say one way or another.

Giving him chance in TEST was a surprise indeed, but giving him chance in ODI was not. Actually he bowled pretty well in one of the two ODIs that he played against WI.

But I agree, he should be given chance to play for Test A, whenever possible. But the problem is our Team A is in hibernation for a while. So the question is how this young players will get the experience that they need?
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Old January 21, 2013, 12:37 PM
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Currently Mashrafee and Nazmul are our stopgap solution, they cannot be our part of long term or even mid term solution.

We (BCB) need to find 3/4 more young FBs to make a core of 5/6 FBs who should be rotated in the team of 11 to keep them injury free and hungry.

... and there comes players like Abul... he may not be ready yet, be over time he can be one of those core FBs.... if not, then we need to find someone else.... but its too early to say one way or another.

Giving him chance in TEST was a surprise indeed, but giving him chance in ODI was not. Actually he bowled pretty well in one of the two ODIs that he played against WI.

But I agree, he should be given chance to play for Test A, whenever possible. But the problem is our Team A is in hibernation for a while. So the question is how this young players will get the experience that they need?
Good post. It's actually a very big problem we have and don't see any real planning. We're just seeing promising spinners but no pacers coming out. We desperately need a pace academy ASAP or have our young, promising pacers shipped out to Ian's academy. Or else we'll continue to have to live through the growing pains of the likes of Abul, Rubel, Shafiul and Taskin.
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Old January 21, 2013, 01:53 PM
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Currently Mashrafee and Nazmul are our stopgap solution, they cannot be our part of long term or even mid term solution.

We (BCB) need to find 3/4 more young FBs to make a core of 5/6 FBs who should be rotated in the team of 11 to keep them injury free and hungry.

... and there comes players like Abul... he may not be ready yet, be over time he can be one of those core FBs.... if not, then we need to find someone else.... but its too early to say one way or another.

Giving him chance in TEST was a surprise indeed, but giving him chance in ODI was not. Actually he bowled pretty well in one of the two ODIs that he played against WI.

But I agree, he should be given chance to play for Test A, whenever possible. But the problem is our Team A is in hibernation for a while. So the question is how this young players will get the experience that they need?
Without a doubt it is too early. The question is whether he will get the training he needs and whether he is smart who can outfox the batsmen in the field. We need one good pacer to come up. That should start a trend.
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Old February 18, 2013, 01:59 PM
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FC strike rate of 130.6, Twenty20 economy rate of 10.47 after 20 matches

Going by his bowling stats and no of matches played, how has he proven himself to be chosen for the Bangladesh Cricket Team? His stats sums up the state of our cricket, he would not even make the A teams of all the other test teams with that record. If with such small FC experience he can be picked then why cant Taskin be picked as well or do i see some biased selection here.
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Old February 18, 2013, 02:24 PM
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He had a bad TEST bowling and had promising ODI bowling against WI. Also he had an execelent batting performance in TEST (which was PLUS and not an expected role).

Now that he is already in the national team, there is not enough reason to drop him... time wise and performance wise. By the time someone like Taskin comes, may be he will have enough time to justify his case one way or another.

We need to stop this business of bringing someone early and then drop him too early. And the fans need to realize that. It is one thing to raise your concern why Abul was selected in the first place; but it is another thing that now he is in the team, we ask for his head after one series.
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Old February 18, 2013, 10:32 PM
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Hope Abul gets a fifer this time against Lanka and make everyone's mouth shut just like he did few months earlier when he scored a ton.
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Old February 18, 2013, 10:51 PM
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He had a bad TEST bowling and had promising ODI bowling against WI. Also he had an execelent batting performance in TEST (which was PLUS and not an expected role).

Now that he is already in the national team, there is not enough reason to drop him... time wise and performance wise. By the time someone like Taskin comes, may be he will have enough time to justify his case one way or another.

We need to stop this business of bringing someone early and then drop him too early. And the fans need to realize that. It is one thing to raise your concern why Abul was selected in the first place; but it is another thing that now he is in the team, we ask for his head after one series.
Also not to mention he was owning with a fractured thumb on his left hand he whole. I get the fact that he's not the best of players but I don't get why people vilify him the way they do. I dont see too many Steyns and Morkels sitting on the bench right? The anger should be directed at the BCB for not having any plans for our pacers, not at Abul. If we want better pacers, then we need a lot more vision at the top and dedication to solve this pacer problem. It won't happen over time but it's better to get it started now. So for the time being, we're going to have to bear with these young pacers. I see many people backing Taskin, he'll also need a long time as well. Being a good pacer at the international level involves a lot of hard work and doesn't take one day.
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Old February 18, 2013, 11:18 PM
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Story of our cricketing history isnt it? We get a bright prospect, rush him in, realities of international cricket strike, and we dump him for a new prospect. We ll waste Taskin if he push him into international cricket right away. He could a massive talent for us. Let him play more first class cricket, A Team tours, another BPL. Let him work with under RM in the high performance unit. Let him bulk up a bit so that he doesnt get injured.

Regarding Abul, now that we have picked him, dumping him will do a lot of harm to his confidence. We should keep him in all squads.
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Old February 19, 2013, 05:29 AM
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Looks like some people does rate Abul high .

What did he do reach that high? Yes he score 100 in test, but his main job was to bowl and that he fail.

He never should of been in national team, just because he can bowl fast a bit, that is just wrong to pick him, I would say please keep ordering pizza while selecting.
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Old February 19, 2013, 06:31 AM
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Not really. Its just that we dont have much alternative.

Rubel and Shaful are options 1 and 2 for Tests. Nazmul is unlikely to be considered. So its Abul or Shahadat or Robiul for option 3. Who would you pick for option 3?
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Old February 19, 2013, 09:15 AM
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Looks like some people does rate Abul high .

What did he do reach that high? Yes he score 100 in test, but his main job was to bowl and that he fail.

He never should of been in national team, just because he can bowl fast a bit, that is just wrong to pick him, I would say please keep ordering pizza while selecting.
Seemed like you didn't read the posts of the people that rated him "highly" and instead getting annoyed at the fact that people are backing him. We're not saying he's a great pacer, he's coming in due to the lack of options. People seem to have a problem accepting this fact. Domestic bullies such as Tapash and Sharif bowled in the BPL and they looked much worse than Abul did. Sajedul looks decent but definitely not the promising pacer he once was. You think Abul would've been chosen if we had better pacers waiting in the wings?

Accept the fact that our pace situation is in a sad shape and we have no other way to solve it in the short term other than back young pacers such as Shafiul, Rubel, Abul, and Taskin.
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Old February 19, 2013, 10:02 AM
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Tiger444 - If you judge by BPL performance alone (which means nothing much) Abul was still one of the worst pacers - and he got much more chances too. He's neither a domestic bully or a big stage performer. The only thing going for him at the moment is his age. Of course happy to be proven wrong, but I have zero hopes of him making it big and wouldn't mention his name along with Taskin, Shafi or Rubel.
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Old February 19, 2013, 10:44 AM
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I hope his century was not a one hit wonder. We ve been looking for a pace bowling all rounder for a while.
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