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Old March 11, 2013, 04:43 AM
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Old March 11, 2013, 04:56 AM
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SJ has done wonders..its not the BPL effect, it was the BPL effect last time not this time. this year BPL effect is injuries

we played wee vs Windies before BPL..lets not take the credit away from SJ
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Old March 11, 2013, 07:18 AM
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And what is this? BCB not disclosing names?!
Bate me to it!
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Old March 11, 2013, 08:33 AM
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This years BPL has more impact than previous years. Confidence of players have skyrocketed. But no not taking any credit away from SJ.
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Old March 11, 2013, 08:42 AM
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well I don't see what SJ has to do with the way we are playing.
He is mainly a bowling cach & our bwling didn't improve at all.
We currently have a bunch of young players like Nasir,Bijoy,GAzi & Mominul who are providing great support to the team, Mushy & Ryad are now capable of applying themselves etc.
BPL1 & 2 has definitely played a big role.
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Old March 11, 2013, 08:44 AM
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I don't know if SJ has had any direct impact on team morale. His contributions aren't obvious to an outsider like myself. He certainly hasn't done anything to help our pacers.
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Old March 11, 2013, 08:49 AM
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I don't know if SJ has had any direct impact on team morale. His contributions aren't obvious to an outsider like myself. He certainly hasn't done anything to help our pacers.
TBH, when was the last time we played on a good bowling or sporting wicket? I think it hard to judge if SJ has done anything or not.. Inshallah lets hope SL prepares some good wickets for the upcoming match's and see how we do esp the pacers.
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Old March 11, 2013, 08:50 AM
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TBH, when was the last time we played on a good bowling or sporting wicket? I think it hard to judge if SJ has done anything or not.. Inshallah lets hope SL prepares some good wickets for the upcoming match's and see how we do esp the pacers.
True, but then I'd give him the benefit of doubt if our pacers were doing an average job on flat tracks. Right now they are just terrible.
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Old March 11, 2013, 09:09 AM
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Some people raised some good points, I will touch few of them and put my spin on that:

1. BPL Effect: I also agree about the BPL effect. However I was worried about the negative BPL effects and they are: a) Injury; b) The challenege of our players switching from T20 format to TEST. Somehow we managed to tackle to manage both as a team. That's where I feel SJ may have a role (if any).

2. SJ not able to improve our FBs: Which I agree to a certain point. But are factors also.... we fail to identify new prospects i.e. no quality supply... we create FB unfirendly pitch. But the bottom line is, the role of a specialized coach and head coach is vastly different. SJ may not be a great FB coach, that doen't mean that he will not be a great head coach. I have a feeling he knows how to motivate players and help them work together as a team.... this is just my feeling not enought data to validate.

3. The current generation of main players has been playing together for quite some time: I kind of disagree. In WI we had Mominul, Abul, S Gazi, Anamul in the team for the 1st time with the main player Sakib not in the team. Then we had SN and Naeem as "in-and-out" in the team not knowing how long they will last this time. Then now against SL we don't have Sakib, Tamim (for 1st test), Naeem, Rubel, Shafiul, Mashrafee. But somehow even after reaaly bad 1st day in TEST1, some how we managed to fight back so far with Anamul (new), Jahirul (in-and out), Ashraful (most of the people gave up on him), Monimul (debut), Abul (every body hates him from get go), Sunny ( in-and out) and the rest of the team. Something is clicking evern when we have so many shuffle and new players in the team.

4. SJ has no impact in the result: If that is true, that means head coach ususally doesn't have any impact. Then why even bother to spend huge money in high profile head coach. lets go with SJ as head coach and spend money in the supporting cast i.e. in specialized coaches... that's where we should spend money so that players gets benefit out of it.
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Old March 16, 2013, 01:51 PM
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First major blunder made by SJ - on a subcontinental pitch, he went with three medium pacers, well knowing quality they offer. I hope he learnt a lesson.
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Old March 16, 2013, 10:12 PM
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Eshen i dont think the coach solely decides the team. Captain is involved so are the selectors. Habibul Bashar is there at the moment i believe. And these guys often tend to be a bit of pundits thinking green wicket so lets play three pacers. Look even if its Perth you must always stick to your strengths. I dont know why they just dont get it. Our pacers are ineffectual even in the most conducive environment. Spin is our strength and we should back it at all times. Hope we dont pay price for this very stupid mistake.
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Old March 16, 2013, 10:21 PM
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First major blunder made by SJ - on a subcontinental pitch, he went with three medium pacers, well knowing quality they offer. I hope he learnt a lesson.
Well considering the fact that the other option is to play Razzak, I would say we are not missing out on much. We have seen Razzak in test before, nothing has changed. He always racks up FC wickets in NCL. Averages 65 after 9 test, of those 6 of them was against - England, NZ and SA. The 3 teams that usually struggle against spin.
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Old March 16, 2013, 11:54 PM
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The coach and selectors must realize we have plenty of spinners and thats ourstrength.
I am sorry to say, our coach and selectors lacks the very basic: common sense
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Old March 17, 2013, 01:47 AM
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First major blunder made by SJ - on a subcontinental pitch, he went with three medium pacers, well knowing quality they offer. I hope he learnt a lesson.
or may be we will learn our lesson questioning his selection... only time will tell. So far doesn't look like he is the one who made the mistake.
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or may be we will learn our lesson questioning his selection... only time will tell. So far doesn't look like he is the one who made the mistake.
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Old March 17, 2013, 11:08 AM
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We really missed a 2nd spinner in this innings.

We took 3 pacer but hardly bowled 2 of them together. Gazi had to bowl 18 over spell. Poor gazi.
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Old March 17, 2013, 11:59 AM
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people have been pointing out Razzak's old form in tests as a reason to leave him out. Well we have said that about Ashraful too and he turned out to be quite different in the 1st test. Now we will never know how Razzak would have done.
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Old March 17, 2013, 12:40 PM
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people have been pointing out Razzak's old form in tests as a reason to leave him out. Well we have said that about Ashraful too and he turned out to be quite different in the 1st test. Now we will never know how Razzak would have done.
well we would never know what aftab would have done, just saying..only god knows how anybody would have done..but Razzak is a proven failure in test cricket, u cant compare him with ash, Ash was never a proven failure..he was inconsistent..we all knew ash can play a 190 innings, we debate with ash because after one century ash scores another century light years later..but Razzak doesn't have the ability ash has..he has been tested in test cricket and he showed he cant give anything to test cricket

Only point i would agree about playing razzak that he wont leak run, he could hold one end and help gazi attack another. But if you are playing a specialist spinner i think you would want more then to just hold one end up

By the way after shakib, lalla is my most fev player in BD team
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You may be right. Let us hope you continue to be right.
That's a lot of false hope.
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Old March 17, 2013, 10:23 PM
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well we would never know what aftab would have done, just saying..only god knows how anybody would have done..but Razzak is a proven failure in test cricket, u cant compare him with ash, Ash was never a proven failure..he was inconsistent..we all knew ash can play a 190 innings, we debate with ash because after one century ash scores another century light years later..but Razzak doesn't have the ability ash has..he has been tested in test cricket and he showed he cant give anything to test cricket

Only point i would agree about playing razzak that he wont leak run, he could hold one end and help gazi attack another. But if you are playing a specialist spinner i think you would want more then to just hold one end up

By the way after shakib, lalla is my most fev player in BD team
I am not saying that Razzak would have succeeded. It still baffles me why Enamul was not flown in since he was fit already. But since we had Razzak, I would have still gone with him because left arm spin is our strength. Razzak didn't do well in the 9 tests he played and averages 65 per wicket. So even at his worst, he is better than our current pacers. I made the comparison with Ashraful because Ashraful was picked as an outsider based on his recent form... and Razzak's recent form is not bad and who knows he might have kept things tight and choked a few guys out with his arm-balls
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