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Old March 18, 2013, 11:50 AM
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Old March 18, 2013, 11:51 AM
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Old March 18, 2013, 12:01 PM
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as long as the selectors don't mind batting down to #8 riyad will probably retain his spot. the only reason he moved up the order this series is because shakib was missing and they wanted someone experienced batting up there, but when shakib returns riyad will probably go back to batting at #8.
I have a same type of feeling.
Riyad is a poor middle order batsman. He can only bat at lower middle order. In that case he will have to improve his bowling.
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Old March 18, 2013, 12:04 PM
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I just saw the Mobhai highlights ..he was not sure where is off stump was...aeira ki practice or real match khali Middle stump nia khele
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Old March 18, 2013, 12:27 PM
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Sorry, #8 is taken. Shohag has scored more runs than him in this Test series.
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Old March 18, 2013, 01:09 PM
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Sorry, #8 is taken. Shohag has scored more runs than him in this Test series.
That is also true. #8 is taken by Gazi. In case of bowling track I think we cane play with 8 batsman. In that case Riyad can take the #8 position. Example can be this test. If Shakib was there I would have playing with 8 batsman. Shakib in for a pacer.
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Old March 18, 2013, 01:16 PM
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Old March 18, 2013, 01:34 PM
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Ah C'mon folks, give him a break.

He might not have scored in this series, but he is contributing with the ball well enough.
Infact, 4 wickets to date, he is the 2nd highest wicket taker for BD after Gazi, who is leading the BD board with 6 wickets. With no other specialist spinners around and our destructive phaast bowling unit, he is still making himself useful for the team.

Also remember, not so long ago in the last series with WI, he was the 3rd highest run scorer for Bangladesh, scoring 169 in 4 innings, averaging 42 with 2 crucial half centuries.

Everyone goes through couple of bad games here and there.
Riyad is a good enough player to bounce back from this.

Let us not be impatient. Let's keep faith on our Vice Captain. Inshallah he will come good in the ODI's and in the next test series against Zimbabwe.
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Old March 18, 2013, 03:12 PM
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Since BPL Ullah has been on super terrific poor form of his life.
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Old March 18, 2013, 03:17 PM
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He's not there for picking wickets, he's there as a batting all-rounder. And most of his wickets were gifted to long hops when SL was looking to set a target. Might as well play Mosharraf Hossain or Saqlain Sajib if it was merely the bowling.

He needs a good kick up his back and be dropped from tests. Let him work his way back into the test side. I've backed him a lot to be a good test batsman, and I still believe he's as technically correct a batsman you have, but still, not good enough while lot of players are waiting for their chances.
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Old March 18, 2013, 03:48 PM
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its called lack of pressure...No. 8 batsman already know...khela shesh...so he can play freely and nobody will give sh?t for getting out cheaply :-)
And he also can turn a winning position into a losing one; Mullah has done it several times... He is a poor finisher... That was the reason he was taken higher up the order,,. Now he is proving to be misfit there also. I really don't see any place for him in the team...

If Gazi bats at #8, we can rather take a specialist batsman/Bowler in his place... For test and ODI both...
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Old March 18, 2013, 04:13 PM
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haire 1 bad series and everyone is after him. Everyone seem to have forgot his heroics in WI. And that's what you guys do with each and every player... be it Shakib, Tamim, Ash, Mushy, Rubel, Razzak, Sunny and even Nasir. Just go back to Nasir's thread and see how you guys have criticized him after few poor performances in Zim last year. So many people asked to drop him from the team. Thank God the selectors are not as impatient as we are then we wouldn't have seen the amazing innigs played by Nasir this year. I mean why do we start to judge a player after just 1 series? Last time I remember people even criticized Mominul and asked him to go back to academy and learn.

Make up your mind guys. Stop discarding players after each and every match. Observe him at least for 2 consecutive series otherwise you will never get a matured and experienced team.
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Old March 18, 2013, 04:24 PM
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haire 1 bad series and everyone is after him. Everyone seem to have forgot his heroics in WI. And that's what you guys do with each and every player... be it Shakib, Tamim, Ash, Mushy, Rubel, Razzak, Sunny and even Nasir. Just go back to Nasir's thread and see how you guys have criticized him after few poor performances in Zim last year. So many people asked to drop him from the team. Thank God the selectors are not as impatient as we are then we wouldn't have seen the amazing innigs played by Nasir this year. I mean why do we start to judge a player after just 1 series? Last time I remember people even criticized Mominul and asked him to go back to academy and learn.

Make up your mind guys. Stop discarding players after each and every match. Observe him at least for 2 consecutive series otherwise you will never get a matured and experienced team.
hehe, well said, even I have been supportive towards Ryad for a long time but lost my head today.
It's true, even Gayle couldn't score a single 50 against us last series.
I very much agree that no matter how disappointing the performance is, we fans shouldn't discard a senior player after one bad series,if it's two bad series in a row then it's ok.
But on the other hand in this Test series so far, except Ryad every batsman scored runs, so once Sakib comes back for Zim series I am afraid Ryad might get dropped.
We can't drop Mominul after his consistency.

But then again a lot depends on the ODI series vs Sri.
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Old March 18, 2013, 04:26 PM
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I believe Riad will compensate us taking some crucial wickets of Srilankan lefties. Wicket is going to be more spinner friendly on 4th day afternoon and 5th day.
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Old March 18, 2013, 04:36 PM
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hehe, well said, even I have been supportive towards Ryad for a long time but lost my head today.
It's true, even Gayle couldn't score a single 50 against us last series.
I very much agree that no matter how disappointing the performance is, we fans shouldn't discard a senior player after one bad series,if it's two bad series in a row then it's ok.
But on the other hand in this Test series so far, except Ryad every batsman scored runs, so once Sakib comes back for Zim series I am afraid Ryad might get dropped.
We can't drop Mominul after his consistency.

But then again a lot depends on the ODI series vs Sri.
Yes you are right that Riyad might have to make a way for Shakib. But I didn't comment just to show my support towards Riyad. He dissapointed me as well. But I tried to point out the overall attitude of BC members. I mean after 1 MOM like performance they make someone hero as they did it for Sunny/Riyad/Nasir but the very same people comes and criticizes these players like hell after just 1 poor series. I mean why can't we be little more patient? Now we are favoring Mominul just because he is doing well but aren't we the same people who didn't even want to see Mominul in the national team for at least next couple of years?

Sometimes the way we talk seems like we understand cricket more than the players and the selectors. That's the reason after just 1 good match our attitude is like "mui ki honu re" and we are the next world beaters and it becomes hard to digest a disappointing performance from the team afterwards.
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haire 1 bad series and everyone is after him. Everyone seem to have forgot his heroics in WI. And that's what you guys do with each and every player... be it Shakib, Tamim, Ash, Mushy, Rubel, Razzak, Sunny and even Nasir. Just go back to Nasir's thread and see how you guys have criticized him after few poor performances in Zim last year. So many people asked to drop him from the team. Thank God the selectors are not as impatient as we are then we wouldn't have seen the amazing innigs played by Nasir this year. I mean why do we start to judge a player after just 1 series? Last time I remember people even criticized Mominul and asked him to go back to academy and learn.

Make up your mind guys. Stop discarding players after each and every match. Observe him at least for 2 consecutive series otherwise you will never get a matured and experienced team.
i believe the main issue is that he can't bat in the middle order, it's not just one bad series, this series confirmed that. he averages in the 16s batting between 4-7 (from 12 innings). riyad losing his place in the team comes down to the fact that he only performs in the lower order and with nasir doing well at #7 that means riyad would have to be at #8, with the bowling already not being very potent that #8 position being taken up by a batsman who bowls a bit rather than a bowling allrounder or specialist bowler of course is coming under discussion.

unfortunately for riyad his performance in this series pretty much rules out him playing in a middle order spot especially since shakib will be an auto choice once he's fit and mominul performing/naeem getting that ton and like shakib only being out due to injury. there is no logical reason to bat riyad between 1-7 in the batting order. that means if he's going to be in the team he's going to have to be at the #8 position and since he's more of a batsman playing in a bowling/bowling allrounder spot his spot comes under scrutiny.
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Old March 18, 2013, 05:16 PM
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Yes you are right that Riyad might have to make a way for Shakib. But I didn't comment just to show my support towards Riyad. He dissapointed me as well. But I tried to point out the overall attitude of BC members. I mean after 1 MOM like performance they make someone hero as they did it for Sunny/Riyad/Nasir but the very same people comes and criticizes these players like hell after just 1 poor series. I mean why can't we be little more patient? Now we are favoring Mominul just because he is doing well but aren't we the same people who didn't even want to see Mominul in the national team for at least next couple of years?

Sometimes the way we talk seems like we understand cricket more than the players and the selectors. That's the reason after just 1 good match our attitude is like "mui ki honu re" and we are the next world beaters and it becomes hard to digest a disappointing performance from the team afterwards.
the selectors have a similar mindset at times, shuvagata for example got dropped after doing a fine job and looking really good in his debut ODI series. perhaps if they had backed shuvagata it would have given him the confidence to move forwards and became a solid international batsman, instead he's dropped off. that's why i was gald to see sunny being selected for the series and given a chance in the first test despite being out of form. the selectors need to back the players that perform, good results should earn support like that.
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Old March 18, 2013, 07:01 PM
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I might be the only one but, I think Riyad needs to be shifted even higher rather than lower. If you guys notice, all 3 dismissals were caused by a spinner (Herath) So maybe try and see if he handles pace any better? looking at some of his dismissals this series and looking at some of his great innings against West Indies, New Zealand, Australia (ODI), India... I feel like this guy handles the seamers much better than spinners. He seems to be weak on front foot and stronger on his backfoot. If thats true than Riyad might make a handy No.3 batsman for test cricket.

We all know Riyad can bat well lower at 7 or 8. So maybe experiment him batting high? He can be a potential no.3 solution
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Old March 18, 2013, 07:19 PM
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I feel sorry for the guy. I love when he gets going in an ODI match. So smooth, so non chalant. And yet it is also true, that he can't hide in the 7th or 8th spot forever. He also contributes sometimes by taking wickets, he is that guy which Mushy brings on when no one else can get a wicket.

But,oh mayne,oh mayne, what's happening in this series. Has to be a mental block. Perhaps BCB should find him a shrink to talk it out? I don't know. I do like Riyad though. I hope his bad performances spur him to do something extraordinary in the future.
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Old March 18, 2013, 07:22 PM
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I might be the only one but, I think Riyad needs to be shifted even higher rather than lower. If you guys notice, all 3 dismissals were caused by a spinner (Herath) So maybe try and see if he handles pace any better? looking at some of his dismissals this series and looking at some of his great innings against West Indies, New Zealand, Australia (ODI), India... I feel like this guy handles the seamers much better than spinners. He seems to be weak on front foot and stronger on his backfoot. If thats true than Riyad might make a handy No.3 batsman for test cricket.

We all know Riyad can bat well lower at 7 or 8. So maybe experiment him batting high? He can be a potential no.3 solution
I like how you think. Riyad reminds me of Inzamam sometimes, when he really gets going. Such loose wrists, and an air of non nonchalance. And Inzamam was one of the best against pace bowling. Right? Still whatever it is, such pathetic showing against spin is inexcusable. Praying for a brighter future for him.
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I might be the only one but, I think Riyad needs to be shifted even higher rather than lower. If you guys notice, all 3 dismissals were caused by a spinner (Herath) So maybe try and see if he handles pace any better? looking at some of his dismissals this series and looking at some of his great innings against West Indies, New Zealand, Australia (ODI), India... I feel like this guy handles the seamers much better than spinners. He seems to be weak on front foot and stronger on his backfoot. If thats true than Riyad might make a handy No.3 batsman for test cricket.

We all know Riyad can bat well lower at 7 or 8. So maybe experiment him batting high? He can be a potential no.3 solution
international quality teams will find this flaw and take advantage of it no matter where he bats. plus he doesn't deserve a push up the order based on this series. however you are probably right, he probably does bat better against pacers, batting in the lower order generally means you have to face the 2nd new ball as well.

but the thing is if ash doesn't work out at #3 then anamul deserves ago in that spot, so i don't think riyad should be given a chance at #3 at this stage.
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the reality is riyad has no excuse. he played well at #8 last series and got promoted due to those good reults, his experience and the injury of a team mate (shakib). let's not forget he had already played a number of innings between 4-7 he didn't perform then either, but that also means he should have known what to expect when batting higher up.

the fact is we have a good supply of batting talent coming through right now, if someone is picked as a batsman and can't perform batting between 1-7 then he doesn't warrant a spot in the team.
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i believe the main issue is that he can't bat in the middle order, it's not just one bad series, this series confirmed that. he averages in the 16s batting between 4-7 (from 12 innings). riyad losing his place in the team comes down to the fact that he only performs in the lower order and with nasir doing well at #7 that means riyad would have to be at #8, with the bowling already not being very potent that #8 position being taken up by a batsman who bowls a bit rather than a bowling allrounder or specialist bowler of course is coming under discussion.

unfortunately for riyad his performance in this series pretty much rules out him playing in a middle order spot especially since shakib will be an auto choice once he's fit and mominul performing/naeem getting that ton and like shakib only being out due to injury. there is no logical reason to bat riyad between 1-7 in the batting order. that means if he's going to be in the team he's going to have to be at the #8 position and since he's more of a batsman playing in a bowling/bowling allrounder spot his spot comes under scrutiny.
It's good to see so many players are competing for a position in the team. Looks like Riyad is not a middle order batsman. He does well when he plays at the lower middle order with the tailenders but the problem is most of the time he can't win us a game specially while chasing. So basically with Momin doing well I think he won't be able to retain his place in the team. But I would still like to see him in one more series before dropping him from the test side as he started his test career so well and when he gets going he looks so solid.
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I like how you think. Riyad reminds me of Inzamam sometimes, when he really gets going. Such loose wrists, and an air of non nonchalance. And Inzamam was one of the best against pace bowling. Right? Still whatever it is, such pathetic showing against spin is inexcusable. Praying for a brighter future for him.

Inzamam sees this and decides to shoot himself! And now Roey is responsible for his death! lol
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the reality is riyad has no excuse. he played well at #8 last series and got promoted due to those good reults, his experience and the injury of a team mate (shakib). let's not forget he had already played a number of innings between 4-7 he didn't perform then either, but that also means he should have known what to expect when batting higher up.

the fact is we have a good supply of batting talent coming through right now, if someone is picked as a batsman and can't perform batting between 1-7 then he doesn't warrant a spot in the team.
Based on what you said, so there is one guy who performed in a position. than he was promoted... he failed... so should you fire him or demote him?
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