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Old June 16, 2014, 12:51 PM
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You guys please stop what Shak should do more,bla bla bla... He's doing fine. Think about the losers in the team.
Just because the others are performing pathetically doesn't mean we should stop criticizing Shakib. As long as the criticism is constructive, it's fine. I'm sorry but this attitude of nobody touching Shakib just because the others are sucking needs to stop. True the others are not helping him and he is far better than the others but he shouldn't be an untouchable. Heck even great players such as Tendulkar, Imran Khan, Lara etc faced criticism. In the end, we all want Shakib to the best player he is and honestly, he can do even better. Is that wrong thinking that? Not to me in my opinion. I might just have more expectation out of Shakib than you which is fine. We all have different opinions but calling for people to stop constructive criticism is pointless.
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Old June 16, 2014, 01:22 PM
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he isn't but he could be if he wants to be, i don't think it's right to say he's here nor there because after 130+ ODIs he has an average of 35, who else has an average of 35 in ODIs? players like adam gilchrist, virender sehwag, sanath jayasuriya only averages 32 but there are 2 main differences between these 3 world class players and shakib, they have higher strike rates but more importantly they all have more centuries than shakib does. shakib has 5 let's say he continues at his same rate and has 10 at about 260 matches (sehwag played 251, gilchrist 287) that would mean shakib has 10 tons in 260 matches but sehwag has 15 from 251 and gilchrist has 16 from 287. double shakib's 50s and that means he has 52 from those 260 matches, well sehwag has 38 from his 251 matches and gilchrist has 55 from his 287 matches. that shows that the difference maker would be shakib's ton scoring ability, he'd have enough 50s to match or out do them for example the difference in 14 half centuries between sehwag and shakib easily allows shakib to still have a few more tons to equal sehwag in tons but be just ahead in 50s.

he's also got a test average of nearly 38 so he's a more than capable batsman it's just the ton scoring which is the main problem, not converting enough. he's not bad as a bowler and has plenty of test 5fers and 4fers and is really economical in the shorter formats whilst still being a decent wicket taker.

me may not end up being that great player, but currently he's in the middle of his career and there is no reason why he still can't be a great player, if shakib wants to be one, then he'll be one, if he doesn't want to be one then he won't. atm it doesn't look like he wants to be one, looks like he's just satisfied with his game as it is.
Why are u comparing Sakib to Sehwag,JAyasuriya or Gilchrist ? they are all openers and Sakib comes to bat at 4 or 5 , they are specialist batsman and Sakib is a specialist all rounder.
And why u think he doesn't want to be one of the greats? just because he doesn't have enough tons doesn't mean he doesn't want to, may be he is not that good at converting them to tons?
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Old June 16, 2014, 01:54 PM
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Why are u comparing Sakib to Sehwag,JAyasuriya or Gilchrist ? they are all openers and Sakib comes to bat at 4 or 5 , they are specialist batsman and Sakib is a specialist all rounder.
And why u think he doesn't want to be one of the greats? just because he doesn't have enough tons doesn't mean he doesn't want to, may be he is not that good at converting them to tons?
I agree with you there. I'm sure he's trying hard to convert more as well. We might not like to admit it, but Shakib is one of our most professional cricketers. There's a reason why he's so much better than our other players.
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Old June 16, 2014, 05:01 PM
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Why are u comparing Sakib to Sehwag,JAyasuriya or Gilchrist ? they are all openers and Sakib comes to bat at 4 or 5 , they are specialist batsman and Sakib is a specialist all rounder.
And why u think he doesn't want to be one of the greats? just because he doesn't have enough tons doesn't mean he doesn't want to, may be he is not that good at converting them to tons?
i think the reason i compared him is evident in the post...anyway i'm not saying he doesn't want to be a great because he doesn't have tons, i'm saying if he converted more then he could end up with his name up there like those players. just beecause a player is an all rounder doesn't mean you have to say well they don't need to score tons because they aren't a specialist bat.

shakib doesn't play the genuine all rounder role for BD, he plays as a specialist bat (which he's more than capable of doing) and as a specialist bowler, yes he's an all rounder but his talent and quality is far greater than your average all rounder, he has much more influence and impact on the teams performance than the general all rounder because he has more responsibility with both bat and ball combined than the average all rounder.

i think he is capable of more, nothing wrong with wanting him to be the best he can be.
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Seriously thought Shakib had the ability to score 10,000 runs and 400 ODI wickets. That would put him in the history books as one of the best ODI all rounders of all time.

At 27, with another 7-8 years of cricket left, its not impossible for him to get close to those marks.

But i am disappointed his skill set and application seem to be on its way down. Nowhere near the aggressive bowler he used to be. And even with the bat he doesnt take that responsibility. From ball one he tries to charge down the track with no value for his wicket. If you dont believe me check performance year by year. http://www.howstat.com.au/cricket/St...yerID=3426#bat

I really hope guys like Shakib actually listen to Hathurusingha.Even the best coach in the world cant make a change if a player is not willing to adapt or work hard or improve. If Sangakarra and co can sit, and learn and change their game based on our new head coach, i dont see why our guys shouldnt.

And i am not talking abt Shakib in particular. Maybe our players also cant handle success and money. Sangakarra is billboards and hoardings all over Sri Lanka. He has enough of money, and the hottest marketing prospect for any business. But never will he compromise on his training time, whether on his own, or training with his team. Its hard work that has made Sanga who he is, not natural talent. He is first and foremost always focused on his cricket.
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some of shakib's quotes from that interview:

"আমরা যারা হয়ে গেছি, যতটুকু হয়েছি ততটুকুই। হয়তো নিজেদের পরিশ্রমে, কয়েকজনের চেষ্টায় আমরা কয়েকজন এই পর্যায়ে এসে গেছি। ব্যক্তিগতভাবে আমরা কেউ কেউ হয়তো একটু উন্নতি করতে পারব, কিন্তু দল হিসেবে খুব বেশি এগোব কি না তা নিয়ে আমার সন্দেহ আছে। টেস্টে আমাদের রানের গড় ৪০-৪৫ হতে হবে। সে জন্য তো খেলোয়াড় লাগবে। "

"আর বোলিংয়ের কথা বলব আমি অমন বোলার না যে ৫ উইকেট নিয়ে প্রতিদিন ম্যাচ জিতিয়ে দেব। কোনো দিনই ওই বোলার ছিলাম না, এখনো নই, হবও না। আমি সাঈদ আজমলও না, সুনীল নারাইনও না, যে ম্যাচ ঘুরিয়ে দিতে পারব। হ্যাঁ, আমি এমন বোলার যে, দলের জন্য একটা ভালো ওভার দরকার, ওটা করে দিতে পারব। উইকেট নিব, সেই গ্যারান্টি দিতে পারব না। শেষ ওভারে ১০-১২ রান লাগবে, তখন যদি আমাকে বোলিং দেয় আমার আত্মবিশ্বাস আছে যে, আমি জিতিয়ে দিতে পারব। "

i think shakib knows that this is as far as he will go...guys you see everyone has limits...once you reach your limit, it doesn't matter how much your practice, you won't get any better...i think it's wishful thinking from the fans to expect more from him...you see he has already played 204 international matches...that is a lot of matches and it is more than enough to judge a player...after this many matches nobody completely changes and becomes something they are not...if it happens, it will be something unprecedented in cricket history...every great player in history have showed early signs even if some of them were late bloomers...i can't say the same for shakib...

shakib is the best all-round player we have ever produced...that's it...nothing more...nothing less...
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some of shakib's quotes from that interview:

"আমরা যারা হয়ে গেছি, যতটুকু হয়েছি ততটুকুই। হয়তো নিজেদের পরিশ্রমে, কয়েকজনের চেষ্টায় আমরা কয়েকজন এই পর্যায়ে এসে গেছি। ব্যক্তিগতভাবে আমরা কেউ কেউ হয়তো একটু উন্নতি করতে পারব, কিন্তু দল হিসেবে খুব বেশি এগোব কি না তা নিয়ে আমার সন্দেহ আছে। টেস্টে আমাদের রানের গড় ৪০-৪৫ হতে হবে। সে জন্য তো খেলোয়াড় লাগবে। "

"আর বোলিংয়ের কথা বলব আমি অমন বোলার না যে ৫ উইকেট নিয়ে প্রতিদিন ম্যাচ জিতিয়ে দেব। কোনো দিনই ওই বোলার ছিলাম না, এখনো নই, হবও না। আমি সাঈদ আজমলও না, সুনীল নারাইনও না, যে ম্যাচ ঘুরিয়ে দিতে পারব। হ্যাঁ, আমি এমন বোলার যে, দলের জন্য একটা ভালো ওভার দরকার, ওটা করে দিতে পারব। উইকেট নিব, সেই গ্যারান্টি দিতে পারব না। শেষ ওভারে ১০-১২ রান লাগবে, তখন যদি আমাকে বোলিং দেয় আমার আত্মবিশ্বাস আছে যে, আমি জিতিয়ে দিতে পারব। "

i think shakib knows that this is as far as he will go...guys you see everyone has limits...once you reach your limit, it doesn't matter how much your practice, you won't get any better...i think it's wishful thinking from the fans to expect more from him...you see he has already played 204 international matches...that is a lot of matches and it is more than enough to judge a player...after this many matches nobody completely changes and becomes something they are not...if it happens, it will be something unprecedented in cricket history...every great player in history have showed early signs even if some of them were late bloomers...i can't say the same for shakib...

shakib is the best all-round player we have ever produced...that's it...nothing more...nothing less...
players get better with age until they reach a limit and then decline but shakib hasn't reached that age, in fact he's just entered it. it should get better from here until his mid 30s. it's clear as day that shakib has the ability to be better than he is, look at the success he's had a a bowler in all 3 formats, he's more of a wicket taker in the longer format than the shorter format but he still pulls out some remarkable performances e.g. 6/6 in t20, 4/16 in ODIs, 7/36 in tests, 11 5fers and 4 4fers in 34 tests just proves that he can be a quality bowler. as far as batting his talent is obvious, it's just a matter of a few tweaks of the way he looks at constructing an innings and if he figures that out then he'll be a 40+ averaging test batsman and probably averaging around about 40 in ODIs to.

what's tough for shakib is the workload of being a main batsman and a front line bowler, that's tough to do but given the age shakib started playing international cricket and how he's had to deal with that his whole career, if anyone can pull it off it is shakib.

players should always be trying to improve and i disagree that shakib has got to his limit.
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Old June 18, 2014, 03:25 AM
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players get better with age until they reach a limit and then decline but shakib hasn't reached that age, in fact he's just entered it. it should get better from here until his mid 30s. it's clear as day that shakib has the ability to be better than he is, look at the success he's had a a bowler in all 3 formats, he's more of a wicket taker in the longer format than the shorter format but he still pulls out some remarkable performances e.g. 6/6 in t20, 4/16 in ODIs, 7/36 in tests, 11 5fers and 4 4fers in 34 tests just proves that he can be a quality bowler. as far as batting his talent is obvious, it's just a matter of a few tweaks of the way he looks at constructing an innings and if he figures that out then he'll be a 40+ averaging test batsman and probably averaging around about 40 in ODIs to.

what's tough for shakib is the workload of being a main batsman and a front line bowler, that's tough to do but given the age shakib started playing international cricket and how he's had to deal with that his whole career, if anyone can pull it off it is shakib.

players should always be trying to improve and i disagree that shakib has got to his limit.
well i guess we all have our personal opinions...i agree with you on the part that his best days are ahead...i believe that he will have a period where he will absolutely kill it in a series or two...but i refuse to believe that he will end his career with batting and bowling average drastically different than what he has now...his averages wont change much in the duration of his career but he will have a few great series here and there where he will be as good as anyone else...that's my opinion...i guess only time will tell..
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well i guess we all have our personal opinions...i agree with you on the part that his best days are ahead...i believe that he will have a period where he will absolutely kill it in a series or two...but i refuse to believe that he will end his career with batting and bowling average drastically different than what he has now...his averages wont change much in the duration of his career but he will have a few great series here and there where he will be as good as anyone else...that's my opinion...i guess only time will tell..
he's basically averaging 38 in tests (37.96), with a little tweak here and there etc he can be a 40+ averaging test batsman, especially if he learns how to hit hundreds. i know it's a different format but kumar sangakkara at 200 ODIs averaged 36.18 with 6 centuries and 40 half centuries, 174 matches later (total of 374) he now averages over 40 with 19 tons and 85 half tons. shakib currently in ODIs after 135 matches averages 34.86 with 5 tons and 26 half tons, still with his entire prime to come there is no reason why he can't get that average up to the high 30s somewhere close to 40 and score a whole lot more tons, it just comes down to whether shakib wants to do it or not, he can, i've no doubt of that.
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Its all in the mind, if Shakib truly thinks he has hit his peak, then don't expect anything more than what he is delivering at the moment.
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Its all in the mind, if Shakib truly thinks he has hit his peak, then don't expect anything more than what he is delivering at the moment.
this is it, belief is a big part of it, so is talent and so is hard work.
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Shakib filed a police case against 7 guys due to the harassing incident.


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Shakib filed a police case against 7 guys due to the harassing incident.


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Good to see he took the right decision.
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Whats wrong with these reporters -

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how the hell its a news at the first place, and where did in twitter Shak mentioned that he received bad service
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I read his tweets when he posted them and to me it sounded like he had bad experience fly in that bad weather not the airlines... what a smuck.
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SHAKIB AL HASAN IN COSMETICS BUSINESS







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Hope he shines here too :P
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Old June 29, 2014, 01:26 AM
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Shakib is tired. So he thinks he can not improve. Often he gets out playing irresponsible shots because of tiredness. Once upon a time he was a finisher.
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SHAKIB AL HASAN IN COSMETICS BUSINESS







http://www.banglanews24.com/beta/ful...bn/302882.html

Hope he shines here too :P
that's good, eid e shobai humri khaya porbe ei boutique e.

Wish Sakib & bhabiji lot of shinning.
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Shakib'er analysis baad diya onno shob opodartho gula'r analysis kora UCHIT.
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He has proven himself time and time again.
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Wonder whether BCB will ever step in and intervene in the individual versus national team debate that could brew in the coming days. Shane Jurgensen may have been silent, but i can bet someone like Hathurusingha wont be so patient.

While our national team players start training under a new coaching setup, Shakib will be leaving for yet another T20 franchise competition. One might wonder when he can actually get the time to sit down and evaluate own performance, get to know new coach, get some tips from him, work on his game etc.

In the past SLC has often stepped in not giving players NOC's, and insisting they practice in the nets and think about the national team than focus on own interests. While Sanga, Mahela play franchise cricket, they wouldnt sacrifice the chance to work with coaches, and honing their skill on day to day basis.

I also like something Mustafa Kamal said in a recent interview. In other teams, players are often not even allowed to see their families a day before the match so that they are fully focused on the job at hand. Yet somehow guys like Shakib get away with doing photoshoots a day before a match.

Before you take a swipe at me Shakib fans, ask yourselves whats important-the player himself or the Bangladesh national team. This doesnt only apply to Shakib. All other players must get their head in the game. Having lived in both Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, i see both countries media giving a lot of attention to cricketers. But there is definitely a big difference in commitment, passion which i bet Mustafa Kamal also implied to in his interview.
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Old July 1, 2014, 08:04 AM
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Wonder whether BCB will ever step in and intervene in the individual versus national team debate that could brew in the coming days. Shane Jurgensen may have been silent, but i can bet someone like Hathurusingha wont be so patient.

While our national team players start training under a new coaching setup, Shakib will be leaving for yet another T20 franchise competition. One might wonder when he can actually get the time to sit down and evaluate own performance, get to know new coach, get some tips from him, work on his game etc.

In the past SLC has often stepped in not giving players NOC's, and insisting they practice in the nets and think about the national team than focus on own interests. While Sanga, Mahela play franchise cricket, they wouldnt sacrifice the chance to work with coaches, and honing their skill on day to day basis.

I also like something Mustafa Kamal said in a recent interview. In other teams, players are often not even allowed to see their families a day before the match so that they are fully focused on the job at hand. Yet somehow guys like Shakib get away with doing photoshoots a day before a match.

Before you take a swipe at me Shakib fans, ask yourselves whats important-the player himself or the Bangladesh national team. This doesnt only apply to Shakib. All other players must get their head in the game. Having lived in both Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, i see both countries media giving a lot of attention to cricketers. But there is definitely a big difference in commitment, passion which i bet Mustafa Kamal also implied to in his interview.
yes we all watching players performance who r not playing IPL ,CPL & shakib's performance

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Old July 1, 2014, 10:37 AM
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