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View Poll Results: How many specialist spinners/pacers should be in the bowling department for Bangladesh in ODIs?
1 spinner & 3 pacers 14 60.87%
0 spinners & 4 pacers 1 4.35%
1 spinner & 2 pacers 3 13.04%
0 spinners & 3 pacers 1 4.35%
2 spinners & 2 pacers 4 17.39%
Other (please specify) 0 0%
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Old March 27, 2015, 07:04 PM
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You cant make a team based on votes for different conditions. The best team should be there to play on any conditions. That is why I am saying criteria should be 3 pacers and 1 spinner since Shakib will get the gig as middle order batsman. Also Mullah will be there so- 3 pacers and 1 specialist spinner. 2 pacers along with 2 spinners will really make the team vulnerable outside sub continent. And 3 pacers with 1 specialist spinner including Shak and Mullah will make the team good even in sub C and best outside sub C
100% agree.

Saying we vote for 4 specialist bowlers i think that means the #7 batting position will come down to Sabbir and Nasir. That's why i opted for 3 specialist pacers so that Nasir and Sabbir can both be in the team.
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Old March 27, 2015, 07:22 PM
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I voted for Three specialist pacers, Now that Bangladeshi pacers have made their mark in the world cup, it is high time we create some pace friendly pitches in Bangladesh and unearth more Deadly pacers. This doesn't necessarily mean that spin should die. The title says, "Specialist", so this list obviously excludes All-rounders and we do not have that many quality pace all rounders to begin with anyways. The last lineup that played against India in the quarter final you can theoretically extract a maximum of 30-35 overs of spin even with the likes of Mahmudullah, Nasir, Sabbir and Shakib. I like the 8 batsmen theory in tests, but that too will put a lot of burden on Shakib al Hasan.
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Old March 27, 2015, 07:24 PM
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off topic, but i have always been a big fan of Mominul Haque, he impressed me even with the ball. I know Mominul may not get a chance in ODI now but he is still one of our best batsmen in tests so far.
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Just because Taijul Islam had a not so memorable world cup, does not necessarily mean he is done and dusted. We can still use him in Test matches and in ODI's at home.
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Old March 27, 2015, 09:57 PM
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Taijul should be nowhere near the odi team. I dont care if he picked up a hattrick against mediocre opponent. His bowling doesnt suit odis
Do you remember Mohammad Rafique?
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Do you remember Mohammad Rafique?
Comparing Taijul to Rafique is a disgrace. Rafique had the deadliest arm ball in the game. He could bowl line and length day in and day out.
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Old March 28, 2015, 02:22 PM
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Look i dont want to bash taijul but when you are only left arm over you have to be spot on with your line and length. Or else be prepared to get murdered. Also you need to have variations in your armoury. Taijul's flight is ok but have to do plenty in terms of line. He does not strike me as good at this point.
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Comparing Taijul to Rafique is a disgrace. Rafique had the deadliest arm ball in the game. He could bowl line and length day in and day out.
Disgrace!? Is it the right word!!??
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You cant make a team based on votes for different conditions. The best team should be there to play on any conditions. That is why I am saying criteria should be 3 pacers and 1 spinner since Shakib will get the gig as middle order batsman. Also Mullah will be there so- 3 pacers and 1 specialist spinner. 2 pacers along with 2 spinners will really make the team vulnerable outside sub continent. And 3 pacers with 1 specialist spinner including Shak and Mullah will make the team good even in sub C and best outside sub C
Really??


Even in a spinning wicket, you don't want to play multiple spinners?
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Agree with most of the posters here. Basically the discussion nullifies the polls viability. Pretty useless as you cannot draw a line here keeping crucial factors like grounds, opponents and conditions excluded of the decision making. Cricket is completely different from all other common sports to conclude early about combination before the venue and season are set.
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Agree with most of the posters here. Basically the discussion nullifies the polls viability. Pretty useless as you cannot draw a line here keeping crucial factors like grounds, opponents and conditions excluded of the decision making. Cricket is completely different from all other common sports to conclude early about combination before the venue and season are set.
Add to that player's fitness and form, team management and selectors quite obviously picks the most in-form players. Take Mortaza out of the Bowling lineup, I am not so sure about using three pacers. who knows how much more can we extract out of Mortaza? Bangladesh needs to develop a nice Seam bowling pipeline where the depth chart goes beyond Rubel, Shafiul, Al-amin and Taskin.
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Even in a spinning wicket, you don't want to play multiple spinners?
To me i think 80% of the time we should have 3 pacers in the team. Even on BD wickets we have started to regularly play with 3 pacers. Even if the track is spinning we will have a specialist spinner + shakib + riyad + nasir + shabbir which is more than enough overs from spinners.
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Comparing Taijul to Rafique is a disgrace. Rafique had the deadliest arm ball in the game. He could bowl line and length day in and day out.
Since Rafique's retirement i ve been waiting to see a similar bowler. We got the Arafat/Elias Sunny's, Shuvo's, but not one who had the flight, trajectory, accuracy and guile of Rafique.

Two bowlers however evoked some memory. One was Mosharraf Hossain (Who Rafique himself said is his replacement). Pity he decided to play in ICL. The other is Taijul.

Remember Rafique peaked as a class bowler after his 30's. Already young Taijul has 1/4th of Rafique's test wickets. So i think we still have ten more years before we can call the comparison a disgrace.
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Glad to see people missing the point. Thats what i expected anyways. Bring on your 3 spinners and do your bangla wash as much as you can. I dont care because at the end of the day its two steps backward.

On a serious note, we are blessed with Shakib who gives us a frontline spinning option. So i fail to understand the requirement of another 2 specialist spinner here. Another one should do it. The laws have changed. TWO new balls at the both end. Spinners wont be able to bite as much as they would have liked. Also Im against the idea of unleashing 3 specialist spinner even if its your strong point. Its two steps backwards. Give your pacers chances. They can learn only from playing. Next world cup is in England. We should build towards that. Dont want to see array of spinners unleashing, winning games in home condition and then getting satisfied by reaching quarterfinal of wc2019. Seriously it has been over 15 years since gaining test status and we are always going two steps back.
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^Mahmudullah, Nasir aren't too shabby either. Unless you're including a leggie even in spin friendly conditions I see no reason to add another SLA.
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Glad to see people missing the point. Thats what i expected anyways. Bring on your 3 spinners and do your bangla wash as much as you can. I dont care because at the end of the day its two steps backward.

On a serious note, we are blessed with Shakib who gives us a frontline spinning option. So i fail to understand the requirement of another 2 specialist spinner here. Another one should do it. The laws have changed. TWO new balls at the both end. Spinners wont be able to bite as much as they would have liked. Also Im against the idea of unleashing 3 specialist spinner even if its your strong point. Its two steps backwards. Give your pacers chances. They can learn only from playing. Next world cup is in England. We should build towards that. Dont want to see array of spinners unleashing, winning games in home condition and then getting satisfied by reaching quarterfinal of wc2019. Seriously it has been over 15 years since gaining test status and we are always going two steps back.
Relax. Its just a discussion thread, what we say or think doesnt matter anyway, unless we can get Mr Faruque to visit the forum

I think its good to have all options. For matches in sub continental tracks no harm going with three spinners, provided there is variety. At the same time we should have good pacers in pipeline in case we need to field three. Rubel might have been amazing in Aussie wickets, but we might be back to bashing him after bowling in the flat dead decks of SBN or Chittagong. How many times have we seen picking three pacers, and not one of them being able to bowl out their quota, or a spinner being brought in the first ten as the pacers cannot restrict the batsmen.

But going into 2019 WC which will be held in England, i bet we will try to work with the 3 pacer 2 spinner system.
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Nah even with spin friendly pitches, spinners wont be effective as much. TWO new balls diminished spinners effectiveness. Either you are a terrific spinner who can bowl with new ball well then you are good otherwise doomed. Our spinners bar Shakib are horrible new ball spinners.
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All our spinners are used to bowling with the new ball. Its a regular occurrence in our domestic cricket.

You are probably still thinking Australian wickets, thus pace pace pace. All will change when we are at home. In Aussie wickets even if you would bowl slightly wide, the extra bounce would make it a little bit tougher to cut or slash. In Dhaka or Chittagong anything on middle, anything outside off, you just tickle and it goes for four. At that time we wont have any option other than asking our spinners to contain.

Regarding the two new ball rule, its a major deterrent indeed. But i bet this, plus the 4 fielder rule will be under review. But see the fact that you play with a harder ball is not only a disadvantage to spinners. Even quicker bowlers get no reverse swing. And in general a harder ball will travel greater distance.
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Nah even with spin friendly pitches, spinners wont be effective as much. TWO new balls diminished spinners effectiveness. Either you are a terrific spinner who can bowl with new ball well then you are good otherwise doomed. Our spinners bar Shakib are horrible new ball spinners.
Barring a few, hardly any spinner gets their wicket on turn alone. The best spinners in operation today like Vettori, Shakib, Narine, Ashwin operate through clever bowling, good variation and consistent line and length, flight and varying their pace. Bangladesh should be playing a full time spinner alongside Shakib in 100% of the games at home. For teams like Zimbabwe, West Indies, New Zealand, its better to play 2 full time spinners because thats their weakness. In away matches, yes we have the luxury of going without a full time spinner because we have Shakib. But again it depends on the opposition.
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Mash
Taskin
Rubel
Shakib
Another spinner: Taizul /Jubair/sunny/Gazi


Plus (part timers):
Riyad
Nasir
Shabbir
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That's a lot of options
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Just for clarification i want the bowling line up as Shakib plus one specialist spinner. Three pacers to go along with them. If shakib is injured then play two specialist spinners. Hope this clears out any confusion. Not saying we cant play one specialist spinner.
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