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Old January 15, 2016, 07:45 AM
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Taskin is not the fastest bowler BTW. Rubel is
RUBEL is out of syllabus now

Don't know if he'll make it even to the ODI team, if all the others are fit ..
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Old January 15, 2016, 08:02 AM
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It is not. Haider looks to be an excellent find.

If you read through the thread you will see people here arguing in favor of dropping Taskin arent saying he is dropped because he is tested and proven. If that were so there wouldnt be any debate here. People are calling him overrated and they are saying he is not good as a t20 bowler.

Taskin had a poor BPL. He needed the Zimbabwe series imo.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/banglade...er/538506.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/banglade...er/511532.html

I just feel Taskin hasnt done much in T20s to become an automatic selection. And he is coming off an injury + poor form. Today Al-Amin and Mustafiz bowled really well in the death, could Taskin have replicated that?
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Old January 15, 2016, 08:18 AM
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/banglade...er/538506.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/banglade...er/511532.html

I just feel Taskin hasnt done much in T20s to become an automatic selection. And he is coming off an injury + poor form. Today Al-Amin and Mustafiz bowled really well in the death, could Taskin have replicated that?
Your thinking is highly paradoxical. How is he going to do much if he is not picked. It would make sense had he played 10-20 international t-20 games and failed badly. As it turns out He has played only 3 international games and did not bowl in one. In the two games he did bowl he didn't disgrace himself. He bowled 4 overs for 24 against Australia for one wicket. That is not bad. That is a better measure than any performance against Zimbabwe.
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Old January 15, 2016, 08:26 AM
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Its not a case of Taskin or Rony or Taskin or Al Amin, etc.

We need all of them, plus more.

Mashrafee isn't chicken spring any more, plus FBs get injured and need to be rotated. Plus players get injured and/or get out-of form.

Young players, including FBs, need to compete against each other and get chance " series by series" based on their current form, development and fitness. Regardless how talented, a new player need to earn his chance each time.

In a bigger picture: all (Mustafiz, Rubel, Taskin, Al-Amin, Rony, Shahid, Abul, Robiul) should be part of the plan in different capacity.

Competition is good, and that's what the selectors are trying to set up, we shouldn't' be so negative about that. This is not end of Taskin, he is still in consideration for the WC team.

So just relax and enjoy the performance of these new players.
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Old January 15, 2016, 08:47 AM
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Your thinking is highly paradoxical. How is he going to do much if he is not picked. It would make sense had he played 10-20 international t-20 games and failed badly. As it turns out He has played only 3 international games and did not bowl in one. In the two games he did bowl he didn't disgrace himself. He bowled 4 overs for 24 against Australia for one wicket. That is not bad. That is a better measure than any performance against Zimbabwe.
I was talking about domestic T20 matches. As you can see Taskin hasn't done much to become an automatic selection.

Obviously, I never mentioned him as a disgrace. I believe that Taskin is not Mashrafe, Mushfiq, or even Riad, players who are proven performers and even after poor form and injury would get slotted in the side.

That is my entire arguement, either Taskin had to be really good beforehand in T20s, or he had to perform really well in the BPL. As for the former, he never played much and as for the latter, he didn't too well. Let us face it, without performances to back him, we cannot really ask the selectors to look at him as an automatic choice.

If he performs in domestics I will be one of the first BCites to ask for his inclusion. By virtue of form, fitness, experience, he won't find it easy to get back into the side, especially with Al Amin and Mustafiz bowling rather well
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Old January 15, 2016, 05:19 PM
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20,000 posts and thats the only blemish on my record. Compare that to rank and file BC members who claimed Mustafizur is not ready because he is too skinny, and that only a masterclass batsmen can push a ball to long on for a single, or that grass on the pitch will make the ball swing. Compared to that i'm like a triple noble laureate trying to match wits with community college flunkies.
More like triple piece of doltish waste. Hate to break it to you but you are self glorifying dingbat.
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Old January 15, 2016, 08:24 PM
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Hate to repeat myself but it's a fact, with Al Amin in the squad when have we ever beaten top teams regularly and consistently?

Let's face some facts, Al Amin Hossain does not have pace as Taskin, his best balls are those that are in-dipping which would require some assistance from the wicket and yah there are many bowlers around the world who are like him that every batsman faces in the internation arena from club to every level. He does not bring any threat to the opposition and he will be easily dealt with for 7/8 runs per over and may even be targeted. And please don't count BPL and performance against Zimbabwe as indicators for Intl Cricket.

Taskin on the other hand has been a revelation, he brought a hell lot of bite into the attack and everyone has talked about his speed, smooth action and aggression as a fast bowler. He takes wickets and bowls 145+ on his day. This is an attacking option Bangladesh can't lose for the upcoming WC and should not lose.

Comparing Al Amin to Taskin is surely not fair, one has played for Bangladesh cricket and brought much much joy to everyone. Without Taskin our WC campaign, victories against Pakistan/India/SA would have probably never happened. Al Amin would have been targeted and again, the fear factor will just never be there. If we want to go all out then why have a weak link in the team really?

You can experiment all you want, fact is Al Amin is an average bowler and will always be. Taskin has the potential to be one of the greats. One BPL does not change that.
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Old January 15, 2016, 11:49 PM
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Sorry but did you really follow thoe matches? Taskin didn't play the entire series against South Africa. He played the matches against Pakistan alright and did okay but nothing substantial. Arafat, Mash, Shakib all chipped in.

As for the India series, he took kohli and dhawan in the first ODI yes and that was crucial but we know who the really won us from there.

As for the world cup campaign, yes he had notable performances but not match winning performances like that of Rubel vs England. Nonetheless he was good.

We won those matches because of complete team effort so by saying that Bangladesh wouldn't be tasting success without Taskin is an insult to the team.

And as for comparison with Al Amin. He has been our best T20 bowler over the past, even as per domestic records. Pace alone will not win you matches. Al amin has a good slower ball, and can bowl yorkers. And if you think performances against Zimbabwe or in BPL then what should be? He has done consistently well for 3-4 months in whatever cricket he has played.

Yes Taskin has a higher ceiling than Al Amin but let Taskin get there first. Btw his action is by no means smooth, his action is robust . His action puts up a huge amount of stress on his body as highlighted in the world cup by commentators. His release position is excellent but that run up is just ugly and putting tremendous stress on his body and no wonder he is injury prone. He is not even playing the BCL
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Old January 16, 2016, 01:56 AM
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Hate to repeat myself but it's a fact, with Al Amin in the squad when have we ever beaten top teams regularly and consistently?

Let's face some facts, Al Amin Hossain does not have pace as Taskin, his best balls are those that are in-dipping which would require some assistance from the wicket and yah there are many bowlers around the world who are like him that every batsman faces in the internation arena from club to every level. He does not bring any threat to the opposition and he will be easily dealt with for 7/8 runs per over and may even be targeted. And please don't count BPL and performance against Zimbabwe as indicators for Intl Cricket.

Taskin on the other hand has been a revelation, he brought a hell lot of bite into the attack and everyone has talked about his speed, smooth action and aggression as a fast bowler. He takes wickets and bowls 145+ on his day. This is an attacking option Bangladesh can't lose for the upcoming WC and should not lose.

Comparing Al Amin to Taskin is surely not fair, one has played for Bangladesh cricket and brought much much joy to everyone. Without Taskin our WC campaign, victories against Pakistan/India/SA would have probably never happened. Al Amin would have been targeted and again, the fear factor will just never be there. If we want to go all out then why have a weak link in the team really?

You can experiment all you want, fact is Al Amin is an average bowler and will always be. Taskin has the potential to be one of the greats. One BPL does not change that.
We can understand your love for Taskin but Al Amin was our best pacer in 2014, just see his statistics in our away tour to West Indies. Taskin is good but he was leaking runs like water in BPL where even Shafiul Islam was bowling better than him, its risky to throw him into big games, it could cost us a match easily. If this was ODIs they could pick him but he should stay way from T20s for now, we have other options in Rony as well.
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Arguing about a player who got owned by Abul, Reza, Shafi and goodness knows how many... Let the kid grow up and work on his line and length. For now, unless one of Musta, Al Amin, Rony fails to perform consistently... Taskin has no place on offer in any format.
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Old January 16, 2016, 06:34 AM
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these are the same people i used to remember say o riyad shouldnt be in the team , tamim shouldnt be in the team after one bad match , now here we go again they goin after taskin the bright future of bangladesh pace attack moron are trying to say rony deserve a place instead of taskin , one good BPL performance means nothing , only international performance count , cz thats static everyone looks at end of the day , MUSTAFIZ , TASKIN , AL AMIN will be great 3 fast bowler for t20 , we need this 3 in world t20 , if bangladesh goes to super 10 hopefully they will IN SHAA ALLAH , than they will play against india and australia 2 of the team where taskin already prove against these teams what he is capable of , taskin bowled really well against australia on last world t20 and everyone knows what he can do to india , this is one of the most important reason we need him, he is already proven he can do better against these teams ,this is why bangladesh need him
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How can he perform internationally if you dont give him a chance? People may agree or disagree with you but that doesnt mean they are all morons. You sound ridiculous.
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Old January 16, 2016, 08:09 AM
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So Taskin has potential because he can bowl 140 plus? A "proven" international bowler? He has played a grand total of 15-18 international matches at most. Mustafiz himself cannot be termed as a "proven" bowler yet because its too early.

As for Rony, those of us who follow BC heard of Rony before BPL. No, not all of us followed his performances, but some of the other BCites raised his name for discussion, which meant he has performed well in the past, probably in U-19s and domestic competition.
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More like triple piece of doltish waste. Hate to break it to you but you are self glorifying dingbat.
Lemme put it this way
Ala fukhru so dumb if he was white he would join Donald Trump rally and yell scooby 'dopey pooooo' .
Dear Vepu,

I like to read your post. Please refrain from personal attacks. Reply with substance.
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Old January 16, 2016, 09:02 AM
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