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Old June 16, 2005, 09:11 PM
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yea...we should not have given up that many runs...even if we bowled terribly, we shouldnt let ppl score at over 8 an over in ODI
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Old June 16, 2005, 09:51 PM
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we shouldnt let ppl score at over 8 an over in ODI
ppl ? no they dont like being labelled as ordinary "people". Man, you should say, the English pommies and Aussie kangaroos! :P
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Old June 16, 2005, 11:48 PM
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Bashar does it random as he is a unique hybrid of stupidity and intelligence..
... very intelligent comment!!

OK... threads merged...
(two different threads on same topic)
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Old June 17, 2005, 05:19 AM
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Bashar is a good batsman in BD standard, altahough he is very irresposible and a slow learner. However, I feel he is the worst captain BD ever produced. He is very old fashioned orthodox, not innovative, and more over very introvert and not assertive. These does not fit with the profile of a captain. The captain of an underdog team should be aggrasive, extrovert, innovative and unorhtodox. give this team, coach and support to Mashud - he will do a better job. He is the only man in this team capable of captancy.
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Old June 17, 2005, 06:17 AM
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it seems everybody is having a go at bashar but the reality is that we have a overall poor team that can not be matched with england and australia. not a single player would even make an england A or australia A team. on the other hand margin of the defeat would not have been that big if we had played in bd condition.
we have to understand our limitation and maximise individual performance. without putting 250+ runs on the board, we should not expect anything other than being thrashed.
one thing for sure if we score 250+ , any opposition will show some respect to our bowlers.
the problem is not our bowling, it is our batting. even australian bowlers got hammered against somerset in their opening stand for 200+. never mind bd bowlers.
it could happen to anyone in a particular day.
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Old June 17, 2005, 11:44 AM
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The problem with Bashar is he is immune to any changes. We have all discussed in lengths about his reluctance to do anything different as situation demands. He sticks to his pre-match plan and refuses to do anything different. Even if you fail, a capatin must be pro-active and set fields according to the strength and weakness of the batsmen involved. One might say that our bowlers are not good enough to trouble the batsmen by exploiting their weakness. But one still has to try. More important for us is to appoint a highly rated bowling coach. I don't thnik our bowlers get as much attention from the coaches as the batsmen do. I have never seen our bowlers in this series to try something different, like say coming around the wkt to change the angle of attack. It may go without any rewards but you still have to try.
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Old June 17, 2005, 12:27 PM
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I found Bashar to be a safe skiper than an inspirational one. He follows a basic script and stick to it till the end. He is not the kind who will be willing to give the ball to Javed for the last over ever.

Experimentation is not one of his favorite words. But by playing it safe, many a times he can avoid unnecessary harsh criticism. Besides, he doesn't have "safer" alternatives to try on every now and then.

The bigger dillema is, when you have only 190 runs to defend, it is difficult to motivate the bowlers to give anything extra. Then again, there are great captains who can bring out more than 100% from any player anytime by their sheer inspirational spirit. They have the guts to tell their men "listen up guys, we can pull this one off, I know we can, we did it before, we can do it again, let's show them what are we made of."

Bashar is just not that kind. Someone said, great leaders are not made, there are born.
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Old June 17, 2005, 12:37 PM
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Agree CM vai.

but the problem is, non-experiment would save him from harsh criticism, but a good captain should not be scared of what the media will say latter on. A good captain has to be making decision "on demand" on the unique situation in the field. there can't be any script possible to handle every situation in the field. and if there is, why do u need a captain? ask each player to read it and then do your part in the script (like a stage theatre). he need to learn how to gamble inside a measured risk (he gambles with his shot selection way to much, why so affriad of gambling with captency?) and make decision on based on the situation not by the book.
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Old June 17, 2005, 01:15 PM
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I found Bashar to be a safe skiper than an inspirational one. He follows a basic script and stick to it till the end. He is not the kind who will be willing to give the ball to Javed for the last over ever.

Experimentation is not one of his favorite words. But by playing it safe, many a times he can avoid unnecessary harsh criticism. Besides, he doesn't have "safer" alternatives to try on every now and then.

The bigger dillema is, when you have only 190 runs to defend, it is difficult to motivate the bowlers to give anything extra. Then again, there are great captains who can bring out more than 100% from any player anytime by their sheer inspirational spirit. They have the guts to tell their men "listen up guys, we can pull this one off, I know we can, we did it before, we can do it again, let's show them what are we made of."

Bashar is just not that kind. Someone said, great leaders are not made, there are born.
its possible to cause 1 or 2 upset with fighting spirit and motivation but you can not make any deeper impact with that if you don't have the quality.
its like a sending a brave army brigade into the war without any arms who will die bravely.
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