facebook Twitter RSS Feed YouTube StumbleUpon

Home | Forum | Chat | Tours | Articles | Pictures | News | Tools | History | Tourism | Search

 
 


Go Back   BanglaCricket Forum > Cricket > Cricket

Cricket Join fellow Tigers fans to discuss all things Cricket

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #3826  
Old October 24, 2016, 01:58 PM
Dilscoop Dilscoop is offline
Cricket Guru
Commissioner, MLC
 
Join Date: March 22, 2010
Posts: 13,532

I'm not even blaming Mushy for this plan. That plan has Mush AND the coaches hand all over it. Sabbir did not come to plan this, Mushy's OWN freaking word, which is the truth. Sabbir probably wouldve taken all the strike, he's that sort of a player. Hathrui supposed to be the genius one. I'd expect him to plan better.

For someone gets a lot of credit for our ODI's game plans, none of that shows up here. Starting to think it's not a 50-50 deal with Mash. More like it's 90% Mash.
Reply With Quote

  #3827  
Old October 24, 2016, 02:00 PM
aklemalp's Avatar
aklemalp aklemalp is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: September 5, 2009
Location: Guyana,South America
Favorite Player: Kagisoooo & Saif
Posts: 17,045

Cricinfo's commentary is always fun to read:

Quote:
"0 Number of occasions of Bangladesh taking all 20 wickets in a Test against teams other than Zimbabwe and West Indies prior to this match."
This raises up the question of quality check on a team for test status.
__________________
"Let yourself be silently drawn by the stronger pull of what you really love." - Rumi
Reply With Quote
  #3828  
Old October 24, 2016, 02:23 PM
MHRAM's Avatar
MHRAM MHRAM is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: April 30, 2013
Location: Dhaka, Bangladesh
Favorite Player: Sangakkara, Mike Hussey
Posts: 7,098

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dilscoop
I'm not even blaming Mushy for this plan. That plan has Mush AND the coaches hand all over it. Sabbir did not come to plan this, Mushy's OWN freaking word, which is the truth. Sabbir probably wouldve taken all the strike, he's that sort of a player. Hathrui supposed to be the genius one. I'd expect him to plan better.

For someone gets a lot of credit for our ODI's game plans, none of that shows up here. Starting to think it's not a 50-50 deal with Mash. More like it's 90% Mash.
Perhaps Sabbir had little to say here but I am sure team management might have asked Sabbir what he was comfortable with.

In the ODIs even, Mosaddek once gave a lot of strike to Taijul when Rashid Khan was bowling. Now Rashid khan on that pitch was extremely difficult to play. Obviously, Mash was there to send message but Mosaddek and say : "Don't let Taijul face Rashid Khan". Now Taijul did play a decent hand, but then faced Rashid Khan and got out, and Taskin got out the next ball to the same bowler. And we were 9 down.

In both scenarios, I am completely fine with team management's decision to give faith to the tail, Taijul in particular here.

We should stop putting all the blame on Mushy. Mash too has let the team down with some of his tactics, like the one where he decided to go down the ground when team was in trouble at 130-6 or something. He lost his wicket, putting us into greater trouble. I am not blaming the batting ability of Mash, but he too can make tactical blunders. Mashrafe's shot was equivalent to that of Shakib's in the 1st innings. One made us lose against Afghanistan and the other played a big part in the loss.
Reply With Quote
  #3829  
Old October 24, 2016, 02:25 PM
aklemalp's Avatar
aklemalp aklemalp is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: September 5, 2009
Location: Guyana,South America
Favorite Player: Kagisoooo & Saif
Posts: 17,045

So Sabbir was batting with instructions to give Taijul the strike?

We've seen this in the past..most recent on my mind is when they asked my brother Saif Hassan to bat with a dead bat...low Strike rate..etc,

The license need updating.
__________________
"Let yourself be silently drawn by the stronger pull of what you really love." - Rumi
Reply With Quote
  #3830  
Old October 24, 2016, 03:40 PM
epitaph's Avatar
epitaph epitaph is offline
Test Cricketer
 
Join Date: July 18, 2007
Posts: 1,131

We only had 20-25% chance of winning it on Day 5. Over 30 runs needed with 2 tailenders left vs accurate swing and reverse swing. Lets not pretend we were the favorites at the end.

I thought Hathuru was brilliant in sending Rabbi, out worst bat, in first before sending in Taijul to make England think he's just as bad (and prolly for Rabbi to slog and pinch hit). Taijul can actually hit the ball and clear the infield. And that's exactly what he did when Cook tried to save singles and keep him on wicket. Brilliant strategy I thought.

But then, I was thoroughly confused when Shafiul came on and Sabbir still gave him strike. That's the very last wicket, and you need to protect the tailender, plus Shafiul can't hit and clear the infield like Taijul can.
__________________
"No problem bowling, but speaking and batting, problem." - The Fizz

Last edited by epitaph; October 24, 2016 at 05:18 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #3831  
Old October 24, 2016, 05:10 PM
Dilscoop Dilscoop is offline
Cricket Guru
Commissioner, MLC
 
Join Date: March 22, 2010
Posts: 13,532

221-4 to 248/10

everyone put that on your sig until we win a test v top 8
Reply With Quote
  #3832  
Old October 24, 2016, 06:10 PM
horizon horizon is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: January 29, 2014
Location: USA
Posts: 1,797

Quote:
Originally Posted by aklemalp
Cricinfo's commentary is always fun to read:
If Bangladesh continues to prepare these pitches, they will get this count increased against Aus, NZ, WI, SA and Eng.
__________________
The best tennis ball cricketer ever ... is ...
Reply With Quote
  #3833  
Old October 24, 2016, 06:17 PM
Shingara's Avatar
Shingara Shingara is offline
ODI Cricketer
 
Join Date: March 6, 2016
Location: AWACS
Favorite Player: Ziya
Posts: 822

Sabbir should have just smacked the ball all around. Taijul and Shafiul were going to get out very soon anyway. Sometimes you need some balls.
Reply With Quote
  #3834  
Old October 24, 2016, 06:18 PM
Rifat's Avatar
Rifat Rifat is online now
Cricket Guru
 
Join Date: March 30, 2007
Location: Connecticut
Favorite Player: Hashim Amla, Joe Root
Posts: 14,180

^^It's not always easy to hit out against reverse swing.
Reply With Quote
  #3835  
Old October 24, 2016, 07:20 PM
RazabQ's Avatar
RazabQ RazabQ is offline
Moderator
BC Editorial Team
 
Join Date: February 25, 2004
Location: Fremont CA
Posts: 11,766

Quote:
Originally Posted by epitaph
I was thoroughly confused when Shafiul came on and Sabbir still gave him strike. That's the very last wicket, and you need to protect the tailender, plus Shafiul can't hit and clear the infield like Taijul can.
#9 gets out LBW. #10 comes out and swishes on a legstump ball. Next ball he's out LBW. Pray tell what Shabbir could have done here?

Here, just to help you, I'll put CI's ball-by-ball commentary. I'd love to hear your theory on how Shabbir should have done to protect _Shafiul_
Quote:
81.1
Stokes to Taijul Islam, OUT,
Taijul Islam lbw b Stokes 16 (42m 33b 2x4 0x6) SR: 48.48
81.2
Stokes to Shafiul Islam, no run, sliding down the leg side, flick and a miss
81.3
Stokes to Shafiul Islam, OUT
Shafiul Islam lbw b Stokes 0 (4m 2b 0x4 0x6) SR: 0.00
এই forumএর cricketবোদ্ধারা যদি আমাদের নেতৃত্বে থাকতো তাহলে তো আমরা বিশ্ব জয় করে ফেলতামরে ভাই বনেরা
Reply With Quote
  #3836  
Old October 24, 2016, 07:23 PM
RazabQ's Avatar
RazabQ RazabQ is offline
Moderator
BC Editorial Team
 
Join Date: February 25, 2004
Location: Fremont CA
Posts: 11,766

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shingara
Sabbir should have just smacked the ball all around. Taijul and Shafiul were going to get out very soon anyway. Sometimes you need some balls.
All those wickets Wasim and Waqar took! tsk tsk if those 90s and early 00ties batsmen just had balls ... Revese swing shiverse smwing ... ছিল্লা কাইটটা লবণ লাগাই দেওন যাইত!
Reply With Quote
  #3837  
Old October 24, 2016, 07:52 PM
epitaph's Avatar
epitaph epitaph is offline
Test Cricketer
 
Join Date: July 18, 2007
Posts: 1,131

Quote:
Originally Posted by RazabQ
#9 gets out LBW. #10 comes out and swishes on a legstump ball. Next ball he's out LBW. Pray tell what Shabbir could have done here?

Here, just to help you, I'll put CI's ball-by-ball commentary. I'd love to hear your theory on how Shabbir should have done to protect _Shafiul_

এই forumএর cricketবোদ্ধারা যদি আমাদের নেতৃত্বে থাকতো তাহলে তো আমরা বিশ্ব জয় করে ফেলতামরে ভাই বনেরা
When I said Sabbir gave strike to Shafiul when he in fact didn't/couldn't, that didn't have much to do with anyone being a cricket boddha. It had to do with my being retarded or high (off of air) and half-asleep while watching and forgetting and confusing Taijul's 6th-ball single with Shafiul rotating the strike somehow lol. With review et al, a lot of time passed in between Taijul's departure and Shafiul's batting, maybe that was the reason.

And my whole post was about Hathuru's tactics, not Sabbir's decision-making. End-game tactics/strike rotation didn't have much to do with Sabbir (just like it wasn't Mushy who devised plans on spot for Cook and Root or Mushy alone who decided to open with two spinners). And I praised Hathuru's late order tactic. The first two paragraphs of the post in case you missed it:

Quote:
Originally Posted by epitaph
We only had 20-25% chance of winning it on Day 5. Over 30 runs needed with 2 tailenders left vs accurate swing and reverse swing. Lets not pretend we were the favorites at the end.

I thought Hathuru was brilliant in sending Rabbi, out worst bat, in first before sending in Taijul to make England think he's just as bad (and prolly for Rabbi to slog and pinch hit). Taijul can actually hit the ball and clear the infield. And that's exactly what he did when Cook tried to save singles and keep him on wicket. Brilliant strategy I thought.
__________________
"No problem bowling, but speaking and batting, problem." - The Fizz
Reply With Quote
  #3838  
Old October 24, 2016, 08:19 PM
Dilscoop Dilscoop is offline
Cricket Guru
Commissioner, MLC
 
Join Date: March 22, 2010
Posts: 13,532

Quote:
Originally Posted by RazabQ
#9 gets out LBW. #10 comes out and swishes on a legstump ball. Next ball he's out LBW. Pray tell what Shabbir could have done here?

Here, just to help you, I'll put CI's ball-by-ball commentary. I'd love to hear your theory on how Shabbir should have done to protect _Shafiul_

এই forumএর cricketবোদ্ধারা যদি আমাদের নেতৃত্বে থাকতো তাহলে তো আমরা বিশ্ব জয় করে ফেলতামরে ভাই বনেরা
What's reality got to do with anything. I blame Taijul for not hitting the crap out of the spinners sooner.

Quote:
75.1
Batty to Taijul Islam, no run, round the wicket, tossed up and straightening as he presses out to block
75.2
Batty to Taijul Islam, no run, pushed through, good revs on this and it turns to clip the edge, stays low and slip dives to stop it running away
75.3
Batty to Taijul Islam, no run, floated up fuller and straighter, tapped off the legs to the short-leg catcher
75.4
Batty to Taijul Islam, 2 runs, goes for the big hit, Taijul swings for the fences... and clears mid-off running back for a couple
75.5
Batty to Taijul Islam, 2 runs, flighted, clips the edge but not taken, the ball flying through Stokes' hands at gully! He was so close, he barely had time to react, it went that quickly off the outside edge
75.6
Batty to Taijul Islam, no run, tossed up and straightening, prodded edgily square of the wicket
77.1
Batty to Taijul Islam, FOUR, tossed up outside off... and Taijul opens the shoulders to slug over mid-on, bounces away for four! That's a brave shot from the No. 10, but he executed it well
77.2
Batty to Taijul Islam, no run, props forward and defends this time
77.3
Batty to Taijul Islam, 2 runs, flighted, now he goes inside out, hitting with the spin... clears Moeen running back from mid-off! They come back for two
77.4
Batty to Taijul Islam, no run, pushed through flatter and tapped down into the off side
77.5
Batty to Taijul Islam, no run, flat and popping up outside off, cut towards point
77.6
Batty to Taijul Islam, no run, floated up close to off and Taijul leans into a forward block
Pitta!

I also blame the dude with that baby parrot. He was creeping me out. He was kissing it and suck it! Creep!
Reply With Quote
  #3839  
Old October 24, 2016, 08:21 PM
al-Sagar's Avatar
al-Sagar al-Sagar is offline
Cricket Savant
 
Join Date: December 23, 2007
Location: The Quiet Place
Favorite Player: Curtly Ambrose
Posts: 26,218

Quote:
Originally Posted by epitaph
But then, I was thoroughly confused when Shafiul came on and Sabbir still gave him strike. That's the very last wicket, and you need to protect the tailender, plus Shafiul can't hit and clear the infield like Taijul can.
Nothing to be confused mate
..... After shafiul came to bat Shabbir did not get the chance to get strike back and hence did not get the chance to protect shafiul at all.

So the tactics should always be trust ur tail for 5th and 6th ball of an over.... But never from the first ball of a new over that is when a new bowler can run in knowing this is the chance to put in a full over to tailenders.
__________________
The OffStump
Reply With Quote
  #3840  
Old October 24, 2016, 08:30 PM
aklemalp's Avatar
aklemalp aklemalp is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: September 5, 2009
Location: Guyana,South America
Favorite Player: Kagisoooo & Saif
Posts: 17,045

Kumble's formula of strengthening the tailenders is have them pair up (buddy system) with batsmen in the nets.

I'm for this. Good template.
Reply With Quote
  #3841  
Old October 24, 2016, 09:48 PM
RazabQ's Avatar
RazabQ RazabQ is offline
Moderator
BC Editorial Team
 
Join Date: February 25, 2004
Location: Fremont CA
Posts: 11,766

Quote:
Originally Posted by epitaph
When I said Sabbir gave strike to Shafiul when he in fact didn't/couldn't, that didn't have much to do with anyone being a cricket boddha. It had to do with my being retarded or high (off of air) and half-asleep while watching and forgetting and confusing Taijul's 6th-ball single with Shafiul rotating the strike somehow lol. With review et al, a lot of time passed in between Taijul's departure and Shafiul's batting, maybe that was the reason.
Fair enough. You know I couldn't resist. মানে লোপ্পা fulltoss যখন পাইলাম ... আর আমার নাম তো রিয়াদ না
Reply With Quote
  #3842  
Old October 25, 2016, 02:38 AM
Shingara's Avatar
Shingara Shingara is offline
ODI Cricketer
 
Join Date: March 6, 2016
Location: AWACS
Favorite Player: Ziya
Posts: 822

Quote:
Originally Posted by RazabQ
All those wickets Wasim and Waqar took! tsk tsk if those 90s and early 00ties batsmen just had balls ... Revese swing shiverse smwing ... ছিল্লা কাইটটা লবণ লাগাই দেওন যাইত!
Ki korar bhaiya. Emenyo out hoito, omneyo out hoito. Jodi laigga jay boley ekta kotha asey na..

Asholey amader uchit silo umpirekey ager din bolar jey Englishra shesher dikey spin bowl na korleyo amra pace kheltey raji asi. Tokhon momnetum er hat dhorey jitteyo partam
Reply With Quote
  #3843  
Old October 25, 2016, 03:11 AM
brockley brockley is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: August 8, 2007
Posts: 2,486

Commisserations.
Reply With Quote
  #3844  
Old October 25, 2016, 06:19 AM
Tipu606 Tipu606 is offline
Club Cricketer
 
Join Date: April 9, 2012
Location: Dhaka
Favorite Player: Maxwell
Posts: 90

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rana Melb
Well we could not change the past..only we could change was present... Shabbir's tactics from yesterday was unbelievable and specially taking single in last ball today n exposed tail enders was nothing but stupidity. Im afraid he has to take the blame as he had wonderful opportunity to make the difference.
no guts, the same thing of exposing the tail enders was done a few years back by
Mullah who remained not out till the end and Bangladesh lost the match
Sabbir should have "grabbed the bull by the horns" instead he let the tail ender
like Taijul face the reverse swing by taking a single in the last ball of the over
This was a test match with one whole day left to score just 33 runs in 90 overs !!
Thats why Mashrafe Bin Mortaza has become a legend in his own lifetime
Mashrafe has time and again shown what guts is----not only as a captain but when required as a batsman also
Reply With Quote
  #3845  
Old December 20, 2016, 03:35 PM
Dilscoop Dilscoop is offline
Cricket Guru
Commissioner, MLC
 
Join Date: March 22, 2010
Posts: 13,532

We should be kicking ourselves for this. 2-0! This was all about mentality, not skills. England is trash.
Reply With Quote
  #3846  
Old December 20, 2016, 04:32 PM
kalpurush's Avatar
kalpurush kalpurush is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: June 7, 2005
Location: Victoria: Heaven's Earth!
Posts: 18,857

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dilscoop
We should be kicking ourselves for this. 2-0! This was all about mentality, not skills. England is trash.
Or, the Indians are too cool and mightier than the rest ...?
__________________
> Start slow. Build a base. Then explode.
> I needed to perform so that I could give my countrymen an occasion to cherish and be proud of - Ice Man
> My photographs @ flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/obayedh/
Reply With Quote
  #3847  
Old December 20, 2016, 04:38 PM
Dilscoop Dilscoop is offline
Cricket Guru
Commissioner, MLC
 
Join Date: March 22, 2010
Posts: 13,532

^ We lost by 26 runs... we blew this game. This has nothing to do with how good India is.
Reply With Quote
  #3848  
Old December 20, 2016, 04:53 PM
Dilscoop Dilscoop is offline
Cricket Guru
Commissioner, MLC
 
Join Date: March 22, 2010
Posts: 13,532

We never believed we could. We gained some faith in ourselves from this game, a little bit of "yes, we can" attitude for the next game. And we won (even tho, we almost blew it again!). The 2nd game proved that we also should've won the first game, if the margin of that loss wasn't enough already.
Reply With Quote
  #3849  
Old December 20, 2016, 05:11 PM
Nadim's Avatar
Nadim Nadim is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: September 16, 2008
Location: Guantanamo
Favorite Player: Innocent Bird
Posts: 48,698

Someone woke up after two months
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:09 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
BanglaCricket.com
 

About Us | Contact Us | Privacy Policy | Partner Sites | Useful Links | Banners |

© BanglaCricket