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Old March 27, 2017, 10:56 AM
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We lost 4 test matches, 3 ODIs and 2 T20s this year and we are only in March 2017.

So we are not 'winning'.

If somehow the Miraz experiment backfired, papon fanboys would now be roasting the coach and selectors.

Papon needs to zip his mouth and do what his job description says. How many times has the BCCI or CA president come on the telly to discuss team selections?
"We lost 4 test matches, 3 ODIs and 2 T20s this year" and Papon was not interfering with the team.... end result most of them lost. We only started winning after two controversial Papon's decision. Your logic is flawed.

We are not comparable to BBCI or CA. How many times their captain cry publicly and threaten to resign? How many times their captain threaten to not go to the tour unless they include a particular non-performing player? How many time their senior players complain in public that fans are expecting too much from the senior players?
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Old March 27, 2017, 12:44 PM
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Walaikum As-Salaam Fazal. I didn't like Faruk's ouster either. I knew then that our selection process and its integrity was being compromised. If someone like Mash - whose passion for the country and whose leadership credentials are fairly well established - is digging his heels about another player, to me that is an indication that the process had gotten so ridiculous that he had to counter with a threat of his own. Where was this story though?
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Old March 27, 2017, 01:54 PM
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No no Razab da, on a serious note, I agree with you on the bad politician stuff...totally. This kind of things must stop. I agree with you. Apnar money ami kokhonoi betha ditey chai nii...apni shotti kothai bolechen...Amio ekmot...Mr. Papor should employ good selectors and let them do their job and yell at them (selectors), if there is no good result. And he needs to be a bit more reserve and composed in front of the mike.
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Old March 27, 2017, 02:02 PM
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Razab da dekhi pura Anti-Papon camp e. Khubi uttejito. Are boro bhai, match jita diyei hoise kotha. Papon korlo naki mofiz korlo eto dehoner time ase ni.
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Old March 27, 2017, 02:09 PM
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I dont think Papon doing intervention in selection process, rather doing business as usual with management process, particularly in Mahmudullah and Miraz case. The reason of my thinking is ...

In Bangla news paper I saw Nannu saying "management in Sri Lanka asked for genuine/specialist right hand off spinner because Lanka has many lefties in their top order", even though Sanzamul, Hom was selected and were with the team in Srilanka. Note that this was after that practice match where BD bowlers were hammered for 354 runs, and we can assume management ( coaches, manager, including Papon in SL ) felt the resources in hand are not good enough wining matches against Sri Lanka. On the other hand we all know how important this ODI series is, therefore they might have thought introducing Miraz in ODI would be better idea even though initially he was left out, thinking too early for his career.

Later on, after the 1st ODI, I saw a TV news clip where ( just outside of the stadium ) Papon saying "he himself have to take lot of decision which people dont know, including Miraz inclusion". He also said he called Nannu, the chief selector and discussed this matter before making the final call (decision). Obviously, the clip does not contain entire contents or discussions Papon was making at that interview, just a fraction on Miraz inclusion.

Further more, according to yesterday's news paper, Miraz himself saying that Papon directly called him and was told "you have to return back to Sri Lanka for ODI games".

Now all those above information, we need to consider that, none of those persons involved, neither of news sources have to elaborate A to Z of the said discussions, process, agendas or contents of meetings etc, which actually contributing in speculations and confusions among fans and media as well. To me not knowing A to Z is norm, and these are nothing issue, why we need to judge who said what, who did what, was it right, or was it wrong based on fractions of information? while we all should concentrate on outcome on a given situation, because none of us have enough information to evaluate or judge?

I rather see it as BCB stakeholders ( coaches, managers, selectors, directors ) are doing their business as usual, as long as management and an urgent change requirement is concern, not necessarily need to be elaborated, nor warrant be detailed for fans or media liking. What is important to me is whether the stakeholders are doing their job for right cause, in a right moment, particularly in Mamudullah, Miraz case they did the right thing and Papon did his job right if not perfect from management perspective, and my evaluation is simply based on outcome.

If there is problem with selection, management or whatever it is, this is not the time to call for a fix, pointing finger at someone atm, and on top of that not even knowing enough is really uncalled for IMO.
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Old March 27, 2017, 02:15 PM
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Razab da dekhi pura Anti-Papon camp e. Khubi uttejito. Are boro bhai, match jita diyei hoise kotha. Papon korlo naki mofiz korlo eto dehoner time ase ni.
Yes Razab da, ei buro boyoshey chete jaben naa...Heart attack-er bhoy....
Arrey agey jeta niye kotha...amra Haru-party...hartey hartey ekhon jetaar jonno hamra Papun khalu-ke love you slogan keno, hami even gush ditey porjonto raaji!
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Old March 27, 2017, 02:17 PM
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In general, I agree - Papon should not interfere with team selection in this manner. However, if Hathuru and rest of the selectors making the silly mistake of not noticing SL has a left-hand heavy batting and that Hom would not be the best solution to counter them, heck ya, we need some serious intervention, from whichever level it comes from.
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Old March 27, 2017, 02:28 PM
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amar money hocchey Razab bhai & Papon khalu purono shotru
Raz bhai is master splinter and Papon khalu is Shredder, Akram,Nannu are the two gondars.
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I have nothing personal against Papon. Don't know him. And actually he has done a better job than his predecessor in terms of managing relationships with ICC. The fact that England tour went off so well - he deserves a boat load of credit on that whole series. But two wrongs don't make a right either.

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Actually, for the first time in how many light years, Bangladesh got their final XI and lineup exactly SPOT ON!!!!, therefore, someone deserves credit definitely. Every single time Bangladesh plays an ODI how many times have we seen questionable selections and incorrect batting order /role reversal. I am not 100% sure what goes behind the scenes between coach/management/captain/board but the inclusion of Mehedi Hasan was the correct one!
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Old March 27, 2017, 03:59 PM
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I am with Razab da here. We need to maintain a process amd respect it. No one is above the process, be it Hathuru, Papon or Hasina. The moment a person gets bigger than the system then its asking for trouble. It all started when we change the selection process for no reason.
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Old March 27, 2017, 09:53 PM
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I am with Papon. Haters can go home.
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Old March 28, 2017, 02:06 AM
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@Fazal
I agree with you about the Mahmudullah exclusion this time around, but I do not feel Papon should be publicly and repeatedly announcing how incompetent our selection panel is; And if they are all that incompetent, the necessary changes should be made as Razab has said.

On a different note, I absolutely do not agree with you about Nasir. He was not deciplined, but just I'll treated. You mentioned Mosaddek. I will mention your current ALLROUNDERS who are still in contention: Hom, Abul, Nurul, even Mahmudullah. Nasir was arguably better than all of them.
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Old March 28, 2017, 09:52 AM
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I agree with you about the Mahmudullah exclusion this time around, but I do not feel Papon should be publicly and repeatedly announcing how incompetent our selection panel is; And if they are all that incompetent, the necessary changes should be made as Razab has said..
Sure. I understand what some of you are saying, the process is more important than the person. If the process is broken/compromised, at some point we have to pay big price for it. And I think the process was compromised when they revamped the selection process. The damages was done then.... not now. And very few complained at that time.

And yes... eventually (sooner than later) Papon have to address the incompetence of the selection team. You cannot play the savior role so often.... it just give us the impression that the selection team is incompetent. That's where Papon as executive is failing to address.



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On a different note, I absolutely do not agree with you about Nasir. He was not deciplined, but just I'll treated. You mentioned Mosaddek. I will mention your current ALLROUNDERS who are still in contention: Hom, Abul, Nurul, even Mahmudullah. Nasir was arguably better than all of them.
I guess I have to agree to disagree. As a Nasir fan, you may feel that way. But I (not a fan nor am I his hater) see it differently. yes he could have been selected and I would have nothing to complain, but I can also understand if he is not yet selected. I think he is doing good but not great to make a real good case. And his past reputation is not helping him.

In professional sports world, life is not always fair.... too many qualified players ... but too limited space. Nasir is not the only one, there are other players who can also complain (Anamul, S Nafees, T Imran, Al Amin, Mominul, etc) not getting opportunity.

Bottom line Nasir need to work hard and hope when he get another opportunity he should take it as if its his last chance and take advantage of it, the same way Mossadek is trying to do it. Nobody gave Mossadek a free ride, but when he got a chance, he is making a good case of him so that it will be hard to drop him. That's what we need from Nasir....he need to work harder than ever before to revive his career in the national team. And he need to change his image as a hard worker by really working hard during training. Usually coaches reward hard workers ( example Riyad) and give them more leverage. A lazy/"difficult to train" player get dumped too quickly.
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/banglade...y/1090175.html

There - your beloved Papon the great motivator has told senior players that they are undroppable for performance. Long live Papon.
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Hassan's incontinence hurting Tigers

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Hassan has overseen the convolution of the selection process to an extent that the captain was excluded from the decision and the team manager made his representative. He then went on to have major public and private say behind each decision. The public part is the problem. If decisions like bringing new players into a format are made, then it should be discussed behind closed doors and the change should follow a process, preferably not one that involves the board president making contradictory statements to the media.

“I told the coach not to disturb the team now, and to make a parallel team of developing players,” Hassan Hassan squeezed that in to the conversation.
All this troubles are Papon's own making, no argument about that. He interfered with the selection process to such an extent that there is no one really there to keep Hathuru in check besides him.

Wondering why Hathuru so desperate to chop and change the team when the pipeline is looking so dry (evidance - recent emerging cup). I understand Riyad is a problem child he needs to get rid off. But why to disturb rest of the team when they are playing so well together?!
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There - your beloved Papon the great motivator has told senior players that they are undroppable for performance. Long live Papon.
Eta khaluji abeg e bolchey , shob kotha dhortey nai.
Tacharao public jebhabe Mash er retirement er jonno Pap Khalu ke dosh dicchey, tai arektu baraya bollo arki.
Otherwise we all have seen a senior player like Ryad got benched, Mushy's gloves were taken.
Sakib die hard fans go crazy seeing Sakib fail and u really expect Papon khaluji will keep them despite poor performances.

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Lolz, a meeting with all the seniors and Riyad was excluded. What a coincidence! Even Papon knows Riyads too useless of a senior to guarantee a spot for him in any format and needs Rahim and Mash to defend him vigorously.

Shakib, Mushfiq and Tamim are irreplaceable in Tests/ODIs, but every now and then a stern reminder needs to be given so that they don't start taking their spot for granted. In T20s however Mushfiq is very much replaceable, he is worse than Riyad and has no feats in the past decade.
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