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Old May 27, 2017, 03:09 AM
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Default Should Australia make a Treaty with the Aboriginal people?

Come up over the last few days.
Looking at Canada,doesn't look like its been s success there.
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Old May 27, 2017, 03:26 AM
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No, Never.
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Old May 27, 2017, 03:51 AM
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Even if they got all the money and land and power they wanted.
It wouldn't solve their problems,I worked as a JJC officer,and its ingrained in the Aboriginal community.
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Old May 27, 2017, 04:01 AM
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Even if they got all the money and land and power they wanted.
It wouldn't solve their problems,I worked as a JJC officer,and its ingrained in the Aboriginal community.
Do you know why?, because they are so tired up over the stuff that has happened over 100 years ago, no treaty or anything of the sorts can fix the problem, because they are too fed up sitting their *** around on the past. We said sorry, we gave they`re land back(MABO), met their demands and still they are asking for more. We give them equal opportunities to send their kids to school to work and assimilate into society. BUT NO what do they do, they just sit around sniffing petrol,consuming alcohol and doing drugs.

Then they complain, it was our fault that we brought in the alcohol, even though it has been 100 years. Not our fault that they are too lazy to quit, even with the plethora of quit programs.

Why don`t you see any aboriginal doctor or engineer. Its because they are too lazy sitting on their *** and eating our dole, and blaming us for their problems.
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Old May 27, 2017, 02:08 PM
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I dunno.
I think its cultural,white mans laws vs black mans laws.
Altho traditional black mans law you were speared,or absent from the community.
Whats worse is domestic violence the figures on that is much higher than the norm.
I watched the speech about treaty,and they talked about those in gaols and jjc as victims,which is not right.PPL are given many chances before they go inside,mediation,

I think crime vs cultural issues.
I could dichomitize more but I won't.
Just will say my father worked for the council,health and parks and gardens,and aboriginal workers,were pulled back by their community.
So if a aboriginal starts to achieve he will recieve pressure from his community to not achieve.
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Old May 27, 2017, 02:40 PM
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BTW using the white man's law as terminology,of course laws are followed and supported by the majority.And black man's law referring to Aboriginals,not negroes in general.
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Old May 28, 2017, 09:41 AM
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Come up over the last few days.
Looking at Canada,doesn't look like its been s success there.
To be honest with you mate, I am tired of this. All these treaties and special treatment for the aboriginal people are not helping them integrate, it is creating a further cultural divide within our country. I really want to see more aboriginal Australians as active members in our society as DinRaat had pointed out, not in a state where they are getting high sniffing petrol or getting very drunk and doing all kinds of crazy #### in public places to the point where normal people are too afraid to even sit next to them.

If we keep giving them more, they are not going to change. We have apologized for the horrible injustices done to their ancestors, but we need to leave that dark part of our history behind us in order to move forward as a nation.
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Old May 28, 2017, 01:41 PM
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I signed the sorry book in the 90's.and I would vote to recognise them as Australias' first ppl in the constitution.Altho I think its just symbolic.
But what they are asking for is more,like having elders in parliament,they already have members in parliament.I say run for office if you want things done,like Pat Dodsen and Ken Henry has done.

I don't know what needs to done,know somone who worked in indigenous areas,and the women had to carry baseball bats to protect them and their children.
Its really a toxic problem in aboriginal confines,I have no answer,just I have observations.I was a tutor with Aboriginal ed department,and forunately the kids and families I dealt with were good.
I even convinced the dad to be a swinging voter.
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Old May 28, 2017, 10:00 PM
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Not relevant, but if y'all aussies would stop burning coal and make nuclear energy legal, that would be nice.

As for the aboriginal issue, think a good solution would be to introduce massive incentives to integrate etc
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Old May 28, 2017, 11:14 PM
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PPL are paranoid about nuclear,its a conservative country.
Incentives is good.ppl choosing to stay in their communities where jobs are nil and housing is crowded,is not the answer.
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Old May 29, 2017, 01:31 AM
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We need NUCLEAR ENERGY
We need High Speed Trains
We need Optic Fibre Internet(NBN IS A JOKE)
We need A better military(regional powers are forming especially indonesia)
we need to invest in nuclear weapons,the world is not as safe as it was 10 years ago.
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Old May 29, 2017, 02:48 AM
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I agree 50,000 troops is not enough.
They could bring back national service.
Monis wouldn't have happened in the Lindt café if the SAS was involved.
Militarily tho we **** over Indonesia.
And Indonesia got its own problems to deal with like the Phillipinnes.
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Old May 29, 2017, 03:55 AM
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I agree 50,000 troops is not enough.
They could bring back national service.
Monis wouldn't have happened in the Lindt café if the SAS was involved.
Militarily tho we **** over Indonesia.
And Indonesia got its own problems to deal with like the Phillipinnes.
Woah,Brock. Lets look a this statistically, Indonesia is no doubt a rising power, a direct takeover, would result in heavy Australian losses.Australia is basically bringing a toothpick to a gun fight.
Indonesia, would decimate Australia in front to front end combat. Look at this.
Indonesia is ranked 14th Strongest Military in the world, whilst Australia is the 24th Strongest military in the world

And yes it would have been definitely much faster if the SAS were involved, but really that is impractical, we should of gone in much sooner, Snipers should of taken him out when they had the chance, but whats over is over.

Look at this.
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Old May 29, 2017, 04:04 AM
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Australian Military sucks for a developed nation
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Old May 29, 2017, 04:11 AM
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I really don't think Indonesia wants to invade Australia.
We had a blow up with Indonesia over East Timor,Darwen was on alert and so was the US who were in Darwen,and the Indonesian PM,the blind guy backed down,forget his name.
Indonesia has to placate radical islam especially in ache,you got West Papua that wants to withdraw,Islamic terrorists which we give intel on,and their are other breakaway groups.
The last Indonesian PM held things together,he was real good.

I think our greatest threats are China and Russia,but they are a long way away.
But I choose not to think about it to be honest.I trust China and Indonesia that they have Australias' best interests at heart.
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Old May 29, 2017, 04:13 AM
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I really don't think Indonesia wants to invade Australia.
We had a blow up with Indonesia over East Timor,Darwen was on alert and so was the US who were in Darwen,and the Indonesian PM,the blind guy backed down,forget his name.
Indonesia has to placate radical islam especially in ache,you got West Papua that wants to withdraw,Islamic terrorists which we give intel on,and their are other breakaway groups.
The last Indonesian PM held things together,he was real good.

I think our greatest threats are China and Russia,but they are a long way away.
But I choose not to think about it to be honest.I trust China and Indonesia that they have Australias' best interests at heart.
But you must admit, if Indonesia and Australia for any unknown reason have a direct engagement with each other, Indonesia would wipe the floor with Aus, unless big brother US steps in.

Plus the landscape is rapidly changing, what happens if a new prime minister decides to embark on a arms program/nuclear program. Australia needs to be wary. If a war does ever break out between US CHINA and RUSSIA, Australia ultimately must pick a side.Which we all know will be the US(ANZUS)
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Old May 29, 2017, 04:20 AM
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True and true.
I try to cover my ears to such things.
But Turnbull has a good relationship with the Indonesian President.
But there is no doubt the last guy rocked as PM.
Even tho my sister said their was a bit of corruption with him,but that's politics.No one's perfect.
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Old May 29, 2017, 06:30 AM
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Listening to Four Corners now on the operation it was a monumental cock up.So many mistakes.
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Old May 29, 2017, 06:38 AM
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Yes I am also very fond of ABC24, like to get my daily dose of The World at 10pm every night as well as listen to the hourly news. The Checkout and Planet America are pretty awesome. Best Thing to happen to Australian media. Channel 7.9 and 10 are utter garbage
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Old May 29, 2017, 07:21 AM
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I switch between ABC and Sky.
Don't get the commercial stations,don't miss them.
Yeh Planet America is good but usually too late for me.
Watch the Drum and Q and A,altho this Q and A atm is boring its on the treaty.
Saw the shorts for McCalife might watch that on iview,I like his humour.
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