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Old September 30, 2017, 07:47 AM
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What's unique about Mominul is his consistency, grit and hard work, unlike many others.
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Old October 1, 2017, 07:45 AM
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For anybody interested to know, Momin's average since 2015 now has dropped bellow 30

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For anybody interested to know, Momin's average since 2015 now has dropped bellow 30

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still has the highest avg among our batters..we dont have the luxury to drop a 45+ avg batsman specially when we play minimal tests
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Old October 1, 2017, 11:41 AM
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Unlucky today.
Should have reviewed.

He is the only test specialist we have, hope our team mngmnt stick to him for long time.
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Old October 1, 2017, 03:37 PM
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For anybody interested to know, Momin's average since 2015 now has dropped bellow 30

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bad lbw today which balances from the lucky escape vs Rabada in the first innings. His scores in NZ and SA (albeit flat tracks) are 64, 23, 77, 0. 164 runs at 41.00 is a decent in alien conditions, even if the pitches have been flat.
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bad lbw today which balances from the lucky escape vs Rabada in the first innings. His scores in NZ and SA (albeit flat tracks) are 64, 23, 77, 0. 164 runs at 41.00 is a decent in alien conditions, even if the pitches have been flat.
That NZ pitch initially was a green top which strangely enough became flatter as game progressed...Tamim and Mominul played superbly that day Alhamdulillah! so his 64 to me is worth a lot in challenging conditions(so is Tamim's runs).
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Mominul has toured a lot of places and he's scored at least one half century in all but 2 of those places, he's still pretty young, stick with him and his record will get better.

I'm not the biggest fan of his casualism on some of his shots but he manages that because of immense talent.

What is impressive is his temperament, definitely has the best temperament of anyone in the test team right now.
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Old October 1, 2017, 05:57 PM
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Mominul has toured a lot of places and he's scored at least one half century in all but 2 of those places, he's still pretty young, stick with him and his record will get better.

I'm not the biggest fan of his casualism on some of his shots but he manages that because of immense talent.

What is impressive is his temperament, definitely has the best temperament of anyone in the test team right now.
Mushfiq and Tamim still have the best temperament overall. Mominul is slightly behind them but the signs look good.

Soumya, Shakib, Sabbir have the worst temperament.
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Mushfiq and Tamim still have the best temperament overall. Mominul is slightly behind them but the signs look good.

Soumya, Shakib, Sabbir have the worst temperament.
What about ImRul?
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Old October 1, 2017, 06:22 PM
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Tamim is the best overall as far as technique and temperament, mushy has the best technique but mominul has better temperament imo, there is a reason why tamim has so many more tons and mominul is only just behind mushy with a lot less matches.
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Old October 7, 2017, 08:16 AM
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Yep, what a good show of temperament!

His average since 2015 drops to 28.68 http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting
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Teams have worked put his weakness.

It's the short ball at the body
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Old October 8, 2017, 12:44 PM
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Sadly, the guy who almost broke the record of consecutive fifties now score one fifty per series at best.

Average since 2015 is down to 27.91. In terms of batting average, among specialist batsmen, only Sabbir is worse than him atm.

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Looks like Haturu was right. His Technical deficiency was exposed and he will be exploited until he fixes it. No point to expose him further until he fixes it. He may be tried here and there in homes games but against away game it was a fight between tiger and a cat.
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Jeffrey Dujon rated him high when they visited the Caribbean in 2014.

He played some good innings in that test series.
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Mominul was dropped, came back and scored a 77 in the first test, to be honest all the batsman struggled in this tour. Momin should be given chance in the SL series at least
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He does have technical issues but is technique is still ok, he has one of the best test temperaments in the country right now. As said above he came back, scored 77, all batsmen struggled this tour.
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This series

Sarkar 9 + 3 = 12, Avg 6
Imrul 7+ 32+ 26+ 32 = 97, Avg 24.25
Tamim 39+0 = 39, Avg 19.5
Mushfiq 44+16+ 7+ 26 = 93, Avg 23.25
Liton 25+ 4+ 70+ 18 = 117, Avg 29.25 : 4 catches and a stumping
Sabbir 30+ 4+ 0+ 4 = 38, Avg 9.5 : 1 runout
Riyad 66+ 9+ 4+ 43 = 122, Avg 30.5

Mominul 70+ 0+ 4+ 11 = 85, Avg 21.25 : + 3 wickets.

Sarkar and Sabbir deserves the boot before Mominul.
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Looks like Haturu was right. His Technical deficiency was exposed and he will be exploited until he fixes it. No point to expose him further until he fixes it. He may be tried here and there in homes games but against away game it was a fight between tiger and a cat.
Fake news. None of his 4 dismissals had anything to do with technique. In fact, I am sure he had the highest control % of any of our batsmen in this series.

Dismissal 1 vs Majaraj sounded like loss of concentration. 2 was actually umpiring error and should have been reviewed. 3 was poor shot selection caught behind on leg side ball. 4 was poor shot selection, no need to hook a ball that was over your head.

His one technique issue is against off spin, but even that might have to do with rustiness rather than an actual technique issue.
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Fake news. None of his 4 dismissals had anything to do with technique. In fact, I am sure he had the highest control % of any of our batsmen in this series.

Dismissal 1 vs Majaraj sounded like loss of concentration. 2 was actually umpiring error and should have been reviewed. 3 was poor shot selection caught behind on leg side ball. 4 was poor shot selection, no need to hook a ball that was over your head.

His one technique issue is against off spin, but even that might have to do with rustiness rather than an actual technique issue.
Fake news or not this is how he got out in last three innings:

Morkel to Mominul Haque, OUT, another shout for leg before, this time it looks closer and is given. The angle is into him again but Mominul does not bother reviewing. I think that's the right call because it would have been umpire's call if not for hitting leg stump on the full. Movement in the air, comes in sharply and Mominul is not entirely sure of this one and plays all across that one. Bangladesh two down without a run. Does this seem too familiar?

Mominul Haque lbw b Morkel 0 (2m 2b 0x4 0x6) SR: 0.00


Olivier to Mominul Haque, OUT, is that a glove? Yes! Gets this to climb at his ribs, at a leg stump line. He fends at it, unlike the couple of leaves so far down leg side. It's too quick for him, and his jump isn't enough to help him. Tickled to de Kock

Mominul Haque c †de Kock b Olivier 4 (13m 7b 1x4 0x6) SR: 57.14

Rabada to Mominul Haque, OUT, holes out to deep square leg. Probably instinct to go after the short one after copping one on the helmet. This cramps him at chest height and he swipes it straight to the fielder who is 15 yards in from the boundary

Mominul Haque c Maharaj b Rabada 11 (23m 13b 1x4 0x6) SR: 84.61
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This series

Sarkar 9 + 3 = 12, Avg 6
Imrul 7+ 32+ 26+ 32 = 97, Avg 24.25
Tamim 39+0 = 39, Avg 19.5
Mushfiq 44+16+ 7+ 26 = 93, Avg 23.25
Liton 25+ 4+ 70+ 18 = 117, Avg 29.25 : 4 catches and a stumping
Sabbir 30+ 4+ 0+ 4 = 38, Avg 9.5 : 1 runout
Riyad 66+ 9+ 4+ 43 = 122, Avg 30.5

Mominul 70+ 0+ 4+ 11 = 85, Avg 21.25 : + 3 wickets.

Sarkar and Sabbir deserves the boot before Mominul.
I thought the batting is not the problem (based on what Rahim and his fans are saying). Shoudln't we sack all the bowlers (Taskin, Mustafiz, Shariful, Miraj, Taijul etc) first ahead of Sarker, Sabbir and Mominul?
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Fake news or not this is how he got out in last three innings:

Morkel to Mominul Haque, OUT, another shout for leg before, this time it looks closer and is given. The angle is into him again but Mominul does not bother reviewing. I think that's the right call because it would have been umpire's call if not for hitting leg stump on the full. Movement in the air, comes in sharply and Mominul is not entirely sure of this one and plays all across that one. Bangladesh two down without a run. Does this seem too familiar?

Mominul Haque lbw b Morkel 0 (2m 2b 0x4 0x6) SR: 0.00


Olivier to Mominul Haque, OUT, is that a glove? Yes! Gets this to climb at his ribs, at a leg stump line. He fends at it, unlike the couple of leaves so far down leg side. It's too quick for him, and his jump isn't enough to help him. Tickled to de Kock

Mominul Haque c †de Kock b Olivier 4 (13m 7b 1x4 0x6) SR: 57.14

Rabada to Mominul Haque, OUT, holes out to deep square leg. Probably instinct to go after the short one after copping one on the helmet. This cramps him at chest height and he swipes it straight to the fielder who is 15 yards in from the boundary

Mominul Haque c Maharaj b Rabada 11 (23m 13b 1x4 0x6) SR: 84.61
exactly. Those are all issues of shot selection which is a subset of temperament.

technique is merely concerned with the mechanics of batting. its sole objective is to maximize control (eg getting on top of the bounce) and minimize the risk of dismissal. thus elements of technique include:

-minimizing bat pad gap (ie not playing away from ones body)
- defending with soft hands, with bat face angled downwards
- off stump awareness I would say is part of technique
- dropping the hands when swaying away from a bouncer
- getting to the pitch of the delivery for front foot shots
- playing late when the ball is swinging/seaming

Fishing outside the off stump (or leg stump) is less a technical issue than one of shot selection. Playing with the spin is a part of shot selection.

None of the three dismissals noted have anything to do with technique.

The simplest way to quantify technique is to count the number of edges a batsman has. Kayes and Shakib edge a lot, Tamim, Mushy, Momin are probably our least guilty in thatt regard.
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exactly. Those are all issues of shot selection which is a subset of temperament.

technique is merely concerned with the mechanics of batting. its sole objective is to maximize control (eg getting on top of the bounce) and minimize the risk of dismissal. thus elements of technique include:

-minimizing bat pad gap (ie not playing away from ones body)
- defending with soft hands, with bat face angled downwards
- off stump awareness I would say is part of technique
- dropping the hands when swaying away from a bouncer
- getting to the pitch of the delivery for front foot shots
- playing late when the ball is swinging/seaming

Fishing outside the off stump (or leg stump) is less a technical issue than one of shot selection. Playing with the spin is a part of shot selection.

None of the three dismissals noted have anything to do with technique.

The simplest way to quantify technique is to count the number of edges a batsman has. Kayes and Shakib edge a lot, Tamim, Mushy, Momin are probably our least guilty in thatt regard.
In test , good bowlers setup the batsman to make him uncomfortable and lose concentration and make the mistake. That's how they target batman's weakness.

Momin started great. And suddenly China Wall is falling apart, why? because they know what makes him uncomfortable and have a game plan. Its not different than a game like baseball when a young batter starts great and opponent figure it out and plan accordingly. Then comes the next phase, the young player need to adjust.

To survive Momin have to do the same i.e. to adopt and adjust. Otherwise he will be one year wonder.
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I don't understand the need for this thread. We need to come out of the culture of focusing too much on individual's performances. Individual's performances should be discussed in the context of team performance, not on it's own. Focusing solely on average/indivisual performance will give us players like Anamul Haque Bijoy. Mominul might have a better average than Tamim, Shakib and Mushy but they have more match winning/saving performances than him and only that should count. I appreciate a thread like "Bangladesh test perfomance graph" rather than this one.
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