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Old October 6, 2017, 04:52 AM
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Default Why are BD fans upset about batting 2nd?

So is the consensus here that BD made the wrong choice in fielding first?

I happen to disagree. Its a conservative choice that reduces the risk of being bundled out in the 1st innings and making the outcome of the test a foregone conclusion. Why is everyone hating on Mushfique for choosing the option that keeps BD in the game longer? Are you guys so overconfident in your team's batting abilities that you are 100% sure they won't collapse against the new ball on a fresh bouncy track?

And day 2 and 3 should still be good to bat on, anyway. So choosing to bat 2nd takes the game deeper, reducing the chances of a loss, increasing the chances of a draw or BD win, and gives the Bangladesh bowlers an opportunity to do their best against the SA batting, who have all the pressure on them to make sure they dont' "give it away". Seems smart to me. Why all this angst?
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Old October 6, 2017, 05:03 AM
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I am more upset that you will be banned soon.

You should of opened a thread on that.
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Old October 6, 2017, 05:07 AM
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I think thats precisely what BD is thinking though. They dont want to face the SA pace attack when the wicket is freshest. So instead of facing the music right away they probably want the wicket to ease, get used to condition etc.

Negative thinking.

Positive cricket is what has gotten us this far since 2014/15. And thats the attitude we must maintain. Sadly not in this tour so far.
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Old October 6, 2017, 05:10 AM
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I think thats precisely what BD is thinking though. They dont want to face the SA pace attack when the wicket is freshest. So instead of facing the music right away they probably want the wicket to ease, get used to condition etc.

Negative thinking.

Positive cricket is what has gotten us this far since 2014/15. And thats the attitude we must maintain. Sadly not in this tour so far.
exactly, negative thinking from the team management and the captain.

they are trying to take the test as far as possible
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Old October 6, 2017, 05:14 AM
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I think thats precisely what BD is thinking though. They dont want to face the SA pace attack when the wicket is freshest. So instead of facing the music right away they probably want the wicket to ease, get used to condition etc.

Negative thinking.

Positive cricket is what has gotten us this far since 2014/15. And thats the attitude we must maintain. Sadly not in this tour so far.
What's all this clap-trap about positive and negative thinking? You evaluate the situation objectively and make the choice that's in the best interest of the team. Who cares if its "positive" or "negative"? MS Dhoni helped India win a test against Australia by slowing down the Aussie scoring with a 8-1 field for an hour - turning a situation where the Aussies were about to run away with the game, into one where a crucial wicket was obtained by slowing down the scoring. Was it "negative" cricket? who cares, it was effective. BD don't have the luxury of playing to the gallery and fulfilling expectations of over-ambitious fans. The captain knows the capability of his team best, and its a well-reasoned choice.

Some of you guys really need to be realistic about your team. Losing 3 or 4 quick wickets in the first sesson after a "positive" decision to bat first will only lose you the test match quickly, and the same fans who are chest-beating about the bad choice, will be all over the team and captain for their poor performance.
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Old October 6, 2017, 05:15 AM
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If we batted first, we would of had a higher chance of putting up a decent total that our bowlers can have a go at, its all about positivity, the toss has lost half the game, and we all know who to blame.

Don't forget our batsmen are not rubbish in flat tracks like these, 1 or 2 good partnerships and we can stimulate a partnership of 100 and streamline ourselves to a total of 300.

Batting first would of eliminated the nerves of the bowlers and at the same let them have a idea on what they need to do.
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Old October 6, 2017, 05:15 AM
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I am more upset that you will be banned soon.

You should of opened a thread on that.
?? what exactly is your problem?
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Old October 6, 2017, 05:18 AM
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If we batted first, we would of had a higher chance of putting up a decent total that our bowlers can have a go at, its all about positivity, the toss has lost half the game, and we all know who to blame.

Don't forget our batsmen are not rubbish in flat tracks like these, 1 or 2 good partnerships and we can stimulate a partnership of 100 and streamline ourselves to a total of 300.

Batting first would of eliminated the nerves of the bowlers and at the same let them have a idea on what they need to do.
What makes you think you will have less chance of putting up a decent total if you bat second? Is the flat track suddenly going to start assisting bowlers on day 2 and 3?

In fact, a sub-par batting performance would put the bowlers under even more pressure if you bat first. You are making a baseless assumption that batting first would translate to a par or higher total by BD. Absolutely no evidence to back that claim up.
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Old October 6, 2017, 05:34 AM
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Because our bowling is weaker than our batting and we want to play to our strengths and make first use of the pitch. With 600 on board SA can put man around the bat the whole day and not to mention we would also have to bat last on the surface.
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Old October 6, 2017, 05:45 AM
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Because our bowling is weaker than our batting and we want to play to our strengths and make first use of the pitch. With 600 on board SA can put man around the bat the whole day and not to mention we would also have to bat last on the surface.
But is batting first really playing to your strengths? Wouldn't the batsmen benefit from seeing the Proteas bat and observing how the track is playing out? Wouldn't the weaker bowlers benefit from getting to bowl without the pressure of defending a sub-par total?
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Old October 6, 2017, 05:49 AM
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Old October 6, 2017, 05:55 AM
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But is batting first really playing to your strengths? Wouldn't the batsmen benefit from seeing the Proteas bat and observing how the track is playing out? Wouldn't the weaker bowlers benefit from getting to bowl without the pressure of defending a sub-par total?
No, you either know little about cricket or are trolling
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Old October 6, 2017, 06:11 AM
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IndYeah, you would have to know all abt BD cricket from the onset, watched every game, followed every coach to know the difference between positive and negative cricket. What you are stating is not incorrect eg. watching South Africans bat to get a flavor of wicket etc. But that was pre Hathurisingha BD cricket.

Hathurusingha came and changed the approach, we were no longer playing with defensive mindset, with defeat in mind.

Sadly that attitude seems to have vanished in this tour.
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Old October 6, 2017, 07:05 AM
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I think thats precisely what BD is thinking though. They dont want to face the SA pace attack when the wicket is freshest. So instead of facing the music right away they probably want the wicket to ease, get used to condition etc.

Negative thinking.

Positive cricket is what has gotten us this far since 2014/15. And thats the attitude we must maintain. Sadly not in this tour so far.
No amount of positive thinking will win you a Test when you have guys like Sabbir, Mahmudullah, and Rubel in the side. We are missing 3 of our top 5 batters in Tamim, Shakib, and Musa. And our top spinner in Shakib as well.

I can live with batting second.

But it exposes our reliance on rank turners to compete with these types of teams. But we knew that already.

SA recently smashed AUS in Australia...they would and will steamroll any subcontinent side in SA.
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Old October 6, 2017, 07:26 AM
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IndYeah, you would have to know all abt BD cricket from the onset, watched every game, followed every coach to know the difference between positive and negative cricket. What you are stating is not incorrect eg. watching South Africans bat to get a flavor of wicket etc. But that was pre Hathurisingha BD cricket.

Hathurusingha came and changed the approach, we were no longer playing with defensive mindset, with defeat in mind.

Sadly that attitude seems to have vanished in this tour.
You don't have Tamim and Shaqib in your XI. You can't blindly think positive while being disconnected to reality.

Honestly, the posters on this thread have very unrealistic assumptions about BD's batting. If you are bringing a sword to a gun-fight, you don't charge the guy holding the gun, its best if you take cover and let him get close enough to you, where you can slash at him.


I'm being attacked by a couple of trolls, who don't realize that I'm actually rooting for BD against SA here. And as a well-wisher for the team, I think they made the right call in not batting first. Its another thing, that it hasn't worked out well, and the bowlers have failed to even control the scoring, let alone build pressure with some discipline and take some wickets. But that is after the fact.
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Old October 6, 2017, 07:29 AM
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What the hell is getting flavor of the wicket? Who voluntarily wants to stand on the field for two days at the mercy of an opposition declaration?
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What the hell is getting flavor of the wicket? Who voluntarily wants to stand on the field for two days at the mercy of an opposition declaration?
be realistic man, you suck
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Old October 6, 2017, 07:53 AM
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Local boy Duanne Olivier gave a clear description in his pre-match interview how this pitch would behave: "I think on day one it will be a bit slow but then there'll be some bounce and it will quicken up towards day three and four,"

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/...es-pace-bounce

I understand our team management can't read a pitch to save their own lives, but why can't they listen to what others saying?!
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Old October 6, 2017, 08:49 AM
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Local boy Duanne Olivier gave a clear description in his pre-match interview how this pitch would behave: "I think on day one it will be a bit slow but then there'll be some bounce and it will quicken up towards day three and four,"

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/...es-pace-bounce

I understand our team management can't read a pitch to save their own lives, but why can't they listen to what others saying?!
Because opponents can and often do lie and play mind-games with their statements?

Team should have the ability to read pitches, and have confidence in its own decisions. It shouldn't be depending on statements of rookie bowlers from the opposition.
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So is the consensus here that BD made the wrong choice in fielding first?
My dui poisha:

I was extremely upset in the 1st test, when the captain failed to read the pitch and chose to bat and in the end, BLASTED HIS BOWLERS (post match media session). You are the one putting them in to the firing line and you are the one calling them out after 90 all out to hide your deficiencies.

This is not the first time. People learn from their mistakes. I don't see that from our Test captain. That is why it is so frustrating.

When asked about what he would choose if he wins the toss, Du Plessis said, "I will leave it up to BD captain." What a shame.

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Old October 7, 2017, 08:39 AM
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49/4. If they had batted first, match might be over by now.
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49/4. If they had batted first, match might be over by now.
Dont bother making sense here. Mushy is our newly found scapegoat and ppl here love to blame him for everything. If u take that away from us u'll leave us with absolutely nothing to vent out our frustration.


Fact is mushy knows about our limitations more than our armchair experts which is why he opted to bowl first in the first test. He knew that if we had batted first we would've been destroyed by rabada and Co in the first test. He just wanted to save his team from sheer embarrassment.
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Old October 7, 2017, 12:18 PM
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Dont bother making sense here. Mushy is our newly found scapegoat and ppl here love to blame him for everything. If u take that away from us u'll leave us with absolutely nothing to vent out our frustration.


Fact is mushy knows about our limitations more than our armchair experts which is why he opted to bowl first in the first test. He knew that if we had batted first we would've been destroyed by rabada and Co in the first test. He just wanted to save his team from sheer embarrassment.
I see. That makes a lot of sense. I don't blame fans for being frustrated though. And the Captain is a natural target for a lot of agita
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