facebook Twitter RSS Feed YouTube StumbleUpon

Home | Forum | Chat | Tours | Articles | Pictures | News | Tools | History | Tourism | Search

 
 


Go Back   BanglaCricket Forum > Cricket > Cricket

Cricket Join fellow Tigers fans to discuss all things Cricket

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old October 16, 2017, 06:51 AM
SportingBD's Avatar
SportingBD SportingBD is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: December 20, 2016
Location: London, UK
Favorite Player: Mohammad Ashraful
Posts: 3,704
Default Bowlers struggling to adjust to training approach & method?

One major problem for the bowling coach to deal with has been the rapid decline in trust, belief and execution ability of Bangladeshi pacers. While the bowling coach has continually stressed that more attention has to be paid to bowler’s consistency, control and variation, this has not translated into a coherent approach.

While it may not have been the original intention of Courtney Walsh to change the method and approach used by former bowling coach, the focus on consistency, control and variation has failed to achieve the desired result.

The former bowling coach, Heath Streak stated in an interview to sports360.com, ‘There is a lot of hard work that goes on behind the scenes in terms of technical work, also a lot of tactical awareness in terms of them knowing what their roles are and how to go about their work. I think that’s where we managed to change that.’

The focus under Heath Streak was more on technical and tactical aspect of bowling. Under the new bowling coach, bowlers are required to focus on consistency, control and variation. Clearly not all the bowlers have been able to grasp this new approach to bowling, focusing on consistency, control and variation.

Does Courtney Walsh have the necessary skills as a bowling coach to identify that bowlers are failing to understand his approach and adjust to a better functional method? That may lead to a performing bowling unit?
__________________
The tongue is like a Lion. If you let it loose, it will wound someone - Imam Ali (R.A)
Reply With Quote

  #2  
Old October 16, 2017, 08:59 AM
Mas_UK25 Mas_UK25 is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: February 15, 2015
Location: London, England, UK
Favorite Player: ATM - No One.
Posts: 5,069

Walsh stealing a living off his name. End off. Sack this dude as soon as you get back to BD. Even Rampakasa or whatever that SL bowling coach was called, didnt do as bad.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old October 16, 2017, 09:13 AM
SportingBD's Avatar
SportingBD SportingBD is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: December 20, 2016
Location: London, UK
Favorite Player: Mohammad Ashraful
Posts: 3,704

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mas_UK25
Walsh stealing a living off his name. End off. Sack this dude as soon as you get back to BD. Even Rampakasa or whatever that SL bowling coach was called, didnt do as bad.
I think Walsh went into coaching too early. Should have gone through some coaching programmes etc. Just feel like he has no idea what his doing.
__________________
The tongue is like a Lion. If you let it loose, it will wound someone - Imam Ali (R.A)
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old October 16, 2017, 09:24 AM
aklemalp's Avatar
aklemalp aklemalp is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: September 5, 2009
Location: Guyana,South America
Favorite Player: Kagisoooo & Saif
Posts: 17,692

Another walsh is of no use thread?

Edit: I love it. I want him gone also. If BCB had a backbone, they would do it immediately!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old October 16, 2017, 12:14 PM
SportingBD's Avatar
SportingBD SportingBD is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: December 20, 2016
Location: London, UK
Favorite Player: Mohammad Ashraful
Posts: 3,704

Quote:
Originally Posted by aklemalp
Another walsh is of no use thread?

Edit: I love it. I want him gone also. If BCB had a backbone, they would do it immediately!
I think it does say something about our bowlers though. They are not responsive to some method of training etc. I mean you can't expect them to function like other country bowlers. Maybe if the approach and method Walsh used on other countries, it may work as they might have a higher intellectual understanding etc. Our bowlers seem to be non-responsive to Walsh at the moment.

That tells me, his approach isn't suitable for them, whatever training/methods his using.
__________________
The tongue is like a Lion. If you let it loose, it will wound someone - Imam Ali (R.A)
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old October 16, 2017, 12:18 PM
aklemalp's Avatar
aklemalp aklemalp is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: September 5, 2009
Location: Guyana,South America
Favorite Player: Kagisoooo & Saif
Posts: 17,692

Quote:
Originally Posted by SportingBD
I think it does say something about our bowlers though. They are not responsive to some method of training etc. I mean you can't expect them to function like other country bowlers. Maybe if the approach and method Walsh used on other countries, it may work as they might have a higher intellectual understanding etc..
Imagine the amount of training an English fast bowler has before he makes his international debut compared to a BD pacer. The Englishman will have already bowled to quality batsmen in the county scene, while the BD pacer have only bowled to not too good batsmen (for lack of a better term).

A team matches help, but there need to be a strategic plan in place for the long term; I think this is where BD is lacking in.
__________________
"Let yourself be silently drawn by the stronger pull of what you really love." - Rumi
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old October 16, 2017, 12:24 PM
SportingBD's Avatar
SportingBD SportingBD is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: December 20, 2016
Location: London, UK
Favorite Player: Mohammad Ashraful
Posts: 3,704

Quote:
Originally Posted by aklemalp
Imagine the amount of training an English fast bowler has before he makes his international debut compared to a BD pacer. The Englishman will have already bowled to quality batsmen in the county scene, while the BD pacer have only bowled to not too good batsmen (for lack of a better term).

A team matches help, but there need to be a strategic plan in place for the long term; I think this is where BD is lacking in.
A lot of the responsibility falls on the shoulder of BCB. Firstly, they signed Walsh, who had no prior experience of working with undeveloped bowlers like ours. When they signed Heath Streak, he had solid experience with Zimbabwe, their bowling is relatively similar to ours in terms of development issues etc. We needed a coach that had those skills, being able to work with not fully developed bowlers, yet be effective. That was a fundamental error by BCB. Walsh maybe more suitable for teams like SA/Eng/Australia.. as he doesn't have those quality required to develop players. But for teams like BD/Zim etc.. doesn't suit him.
__________________
The tongue is like a Lion. If you let it loose, it will wound someone - Imam Ali (R.A)
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old October 17, 2017, 03:50 AM
jeesh jeesh is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: January 4, 2005
Location: Colombo, Sri Lanka
Posts: 3,850

Its hard for me to understand why Rubel, Taskin are bowling at such low pace. Fizz was also bowling around 140 kph during Streak's time.

What was Streak doing that was enabling these guys to bowl at high pace during those times? Better fitness? Confidence? What could have changed so soon?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old October 17, 2017, 05:26 AM
SportingBD's Avatar
SportingBD SportingBD is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: December 20, 2016
Location: London, UK
Favorite Player: Mohammad Ashraful
Posts: 3,704

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeesh
Its hard for me to understand why Rubel, Taskin are bowling at such low pace. Fizz was also bowling around 140 kph during Streak's time.

What was Streak doing that was enabling these guys to bowl at high pace during those times? Better fitness? Confidence? What could have changed so soon?
Streak mentioned in one article how he wants the bowlers to express themselves.
Not sure if the bowlers under Walsh feel restricted or something.
__________________
The tongue is like a Lion. If you let it loose, it will wound someone - Imam Ali (R.A)
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old October 17, 2017, 05:58 AM
DinRaat. DinRaat. is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: January 30, 2017
Location: Sydney Australia
Favorite Player: AirBus A340
Posts: 3,245

Taskin Ahmed the hidden passenger is getting free passes into the team, even though his line and length is worse than my club cricket team. Why is he rated so highly, can someone explain to me why.

__________________
"No replacement,for displacement"
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old October 17, 2017, 06:01 AM
jeesh jeesh is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: January 4, 2005
Location: Colombo, Sri Lanka
Posts: 3,850

He is highly rated because he has the raw ingredients to become a top pacer. The height, the strong shoulders, a naturally aggressive attitude.

Not putting any of that to use. Become a medium fast bowler, lost his accuracy...and his head too.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old October 17, 2017, 06:29 AM
DinRaat. DinRaat. is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: January 30, 2017
Location: Sydney Australia
Favorite Player: AirBus A340
Posts: 3,245

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeesh
He is highly rated because he has the raw ingredients to become a top pacer. The height, the strong shoulders, a naturally aggressive attitude.

Not putting any of that to use. Become a medium fast bowler, lost his accuracy...and his head too.
But he doesn't have the most important thing of all. A functioning humanoid brain.
__________________
"No replacement,for displacement"
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old October 17, 2017, 09:26 AM
RealSports RealSports is offline
ODI Cricketer
 
Join Date: September 16, 2016
Location: London, England
Favorite Player: Virat Kohli
Posts: 694

Taskin doesn't seem a intelligent bowler to me. Bowling has been awful this year.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old October 17, 2017, 09:29 AM
Tigers_eye's Avatar
Tigers_eye Tigers_eye is offline
Cricket Savant
 
Join Date: June 30, 2005
Location: Little Rock
Favorite Player: Viv Richards, Steve Waugh
Posts: 30,165

From the pitch map, Yorkers were all dot balls. Short pitch ones boundary or runs.
__________________
The Weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the Strong." - Gandhi.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old October 17, 2017, 04:31 PM
simon's Avatar
simon simon is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: February 20, 2008
Favorite Player: Tam,Sak,Nasa,Mash
Posts: 23,516

amader bowler gula jeno bowler na, ekekta contraceptive pill.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old October 17, 2017, 06:56 PM
Rinathq's Avatar
Rinathq Rinathq is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: January 1, 2010
Location: Toronto, ON
Favorite Player: Mash, Riyad, Tamim
Posts: 5,618

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeesh
He is highly rated because he has the raw ingredients to become a top pacer. The height, the strong shoulders, a naturally aggressive attitude.

Not putting any of that to use. Become a medium fast bowler, lost his accuracy...and his head too.
you can have all the ingredients in the world but at the end of the day, you need to know how to cook.. or those ingredients doesnt mean ****
__________________
My clicks: https://www.flickr.com/photos/108789483@N05/
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old October 17, 2017, 08:45 PM
tanvir_nus's Avatar
tanvir_nus tanvir_nus is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: April 17, 2005
Location: the heart of the tiger
Favorite Player: Taskin Ahmed - TazKing
Posts: 2,779

There has been a visible pace drop which has translated in all the bowling department being ordinary. Experienced batters are just toying with such hit me balls with no venoms. We never had swing in armory but Taskin could seam it, now he isn't able to and Rubel could hurry the batsmen and do reverse, again he isn't able to. What you are seeing is a decrease in ability, whether it is attributed to them not practicing hard or trying, or even forgotten memories or loss of form I don't know.

What is visible is that they are not learning from it, they are not correcting their mistakes. They are not trying hard. They are not putting in extra efforts. Nobody is taking responsiblity and saying I will get the job done. Nobody is putting any responsibility on them (Mash on an interview said the bowlers are trying and have the right mentality). There is a lot of things lacking in the system.

The pitch match of Taskin, I had brought this up years back. I think against NZ, if you want I can bring that post up after searching. The same thing was repeated in that post, Taskin even got wickets with balls pitched up yet he didn't correct his length. He sprayed all over, specially with half pitched ones. I wonder how a bowler who consistently hit good length in the last Asia cup and scared batters with pace and bounce slide so much, it is really a shame and a huge disappointment.

Not the coach's problem, this and that, whatever! There has been a clear decline and we need to address that. We can't throw away the experience of Taskin or Rubel or Mustafizur. We have invested heavily in them. I don't want to wait another 10 years for another disappointment. But the point is, we can introduce changes slowly if nothing works and we may have to. As a speedster we already have Ebadat and we may need to get in some venom in this attack. Coz currently our bowling attack is toothless, a walk in the park, even toddlers can play this IMO, even the U-19s will bash them for 300+. It is a shameful shamful condition of the bowlers we are seeing.
__________________
Taskin Ahmed Tazim : 143 KPH - 18 years - Against Aussies - 1st April, 2014
148 KPH - 20 years - Against Pak At Dhaka - 2nd March 2016
150 KPH - Coming Soon.. Will be the first Bangladeshi
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old October 17, 2017, 09:33 PM
DinRaat. DinRaat. is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: January 30, 2017
Location: Sydney Australia
Favorite Player: AirBus A340
Posts: 3,245

Quote:
Originally Posted by tanvir_nus
There has been a visible pace drop which has translated in all the bowling department being ordinary. Experienced batters are just toying with such hit me balls with no venoms. We never had swing in armory but Taskin could seam it, now he isn't able to and Rubel could hurry the batsmen and do reverse, again he isn't able to. What you are seeing is a decrease in ability, whether it is attributed to them not practicing hard or trying, or even forgotten memories or loss of form I don't know.

What is visible is that they are not learning from it, they are not correcting their mistakes. They are not trying hard. They are not putting in extra efforts. Nobody is taking responsiblity and saying I will get the job done. Nobody is putting any responsibility on them (Mash on an interview said the bowlers are trying and have the right mentality). There is a lot of things lacking in the system.

The pitch match of Taskin, I had brought this up years back. I think against NZ, if you want I can bring that post up after searching. The same thing was repeated in that post, Taskin even got wickets with balls pitched up yet he didn't correct his length. He sprayed all over, specially with half pitched ones. I wonder how a bowler who consistently hit good length in the last Asia cup and scared batters with pace and bounce slide so much, it is really a shame and a huge disappointment.

Not the coach's problem, this and that, whatever! There has been a clear decline and we need to address that. We can't throw away the experience of Taskin or Rubel or Mustafizur. We have invested heavily in them. I don't want to wait another 10 years for another disappointment. But the point is, we can introduce changes slowly if nothing works and we may have to. As a speedster we already have Ebadat and we may need to get in some venom in this attack. Coz currently our bowling attack is toothless, a walk in the park, even toddlers can play this IMO, even the U-19s will bash them for 300+. It is a shameful shamful condition of the bowlers we are seeing.
Quote:
There has been a visible pace drop which has translated in all the bowling department being ordinary.
Agree. Vs UAE Asia Cup

Quote:
. I wonder how a bowler who consistently hit good length in the last Asia cup
Which Asia cup are you talking about, Taskin has always been a short ball fanatic. His line and length is always garbage, not the coaches fault on this one

VS INDIA



VS Pakistan



VS Sri Lanka



Taskin Ahmed length has always been made at International level, no matter the coach.

Under Heath Streak

VS ENGLAND WORLD CUP



VS NZ WORLD CUP




Conclusion
Under Streak it did not matter if he bowled 10-15 short balls, he kept it under control and was able to ball fast, I guess that compensated it, but Taskins line is worrying with his lack of pace.
__________________
"No replacement,for displacement"
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old October 18, 2017, 12:45 AM
Kohli_Sox Kohli_Sox is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: May 30, 2012
Favorite Player: Abul
Posts: 3,338

Its clear Streak made those plans and Taskin executed. Taskin doesnt have half a brain to bowl like that what he did under Streak.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old October 18, 2017, 01:34 AM
AbuDarda's Avatar
AbuDarda AbuDarda is offline
ODI Cricketer
 
Join Date: September 12, 2011
Posts: 969

So, no match thread this time,huh? All you are that much pissed?
__________________
ক্রিকেট ই আমার একমাত্র প্রেয়সি। ক্রিকেট আমার ধ্যান, ক্রিকেট আমার জ্ঞান।
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:43 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
BanglaCricket.com
 

About Us | Contact Us | Privacy Policy | Partner Sites | Useful Links | Banners |

© BanglaCricket