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Old June 9, 2017, 11:39 PM
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You cannot compare apple with oranges. That is not Riyad's style. He celebrated the way he always does... not more not less.
That is Riyad's style. Pak win in Dhaka (Asia cup) and against India in T20 WC. Both time celeberated and pumped his fists when he scored a boundary almost clinching victory. This time reached a 100 and needed only 2 runs but remained very calm.

Also in 2015 WC, he ran and removed his helmets and celebrated with wide open arms.

Not this time.

I am not comparing apples with oranges. Not comparing him with Tamim. I am comparing a) 2015 WC Riyad, b) Dhaka Asia cup Riyad, c) India t20 WC Riyad with yesterday's Riyad..
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Old June 10, 2017, 12:13 AM
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No player can perform all the time in every single match. Now if we criticize every single mistake in every single match then it does no good. Sometimes reassurance and motivation is important than just criticism.

Eto khitkhita hoile shob shomoy kono labh hoy nah. Majhe majhe bhul korle ador kore bujhaite hoy.

Some people have this tendency to jump on after every single failure. They will come with sharpened knives, boti, ram dau and everything. That's not cool..
That's very true but every player has an individual case, also constructive criticism is fine imo. Riyad until recently has been poor for about two years, add that he's a senior member of the team and very experienced yet a player who has never completely proven himself I think if he has a prolonged poor run it is completely acceptable to question his place in the squad.

Remember it's about the team, that means taking whatever you need to into account to have the best team now but also trying to build the best team for the future.

It's terrific riyad played this knock, it was very special what he and shakib did. The trick is to stick with players long enough to know what they have to offer but not so long that you're wasting time and resources. It's tough with players that are there and there abouts though which is where riyad is at. We know he has the talent so we keep playing him, and he will have his days but you've got to work out whether to stick with that player or invest in someone who might offer more overall and for longer.

At the end of the day it's a profession for these guys, you can't live off potential forever, and if someone with as much or more potential comes along then unless you up your game you are at risk of losing that job.

Players need constructive criticism to get better, of course it needs to come from the coach etc. this is just an online forum, we are not posting on here for the players benefit but there is no reason why we can't discuss these sort of things, we like cricket so we are going to discuss it.
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Old November 27, 2017, 11:17 AM
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Batting, bowling, fielding combined, Riyad seems to be well set to be the Man of the Series again this BPL. Doing an excellent job as a captain as well. BCB need to transfer the T20I captaincy to him from Shak.
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Old November 27, 2017, 03:03 PM
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We just gave Shakib the captaincy. This is not the time to change captaincy like that....give him time to shine or fail....

if we really need to reward Riyad, let him flourish further. There will be new leadership opportunity coming in other formats pretty soon, at that point let him be one of the candidates.
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Old November 27, 2017, 04:02 PM
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Make Riyad our Test team captain.
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Old November 27, 2017, 04:06 PM
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Make Riyad our Test team captain.
He is gonna captain from the bench ??

I think you mean t20 no?
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Old November 27, 2017, 04:19 PM
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He is gonna captain from the bench ??

I think you mean t20 no?
Can he do worse than Mushy as a captain? Dont think so. Can he improve his Test performance? I very much think so.

Riyad or Tamim needs to take the test captaincy. Earlier the better. And I think Riyad is more shrewd as a captain than Tamim (Based on last 2 BPL seasons). But no matter whoever takes the Test captaincy, I can not take Mushy as our captain in any format now.
Riyad and Tamim are the only options we have. No?
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Old November 27, 2017, 08:22 PM
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I don't know Riyad be good captain materiel, but I think we are underestimating Tamim as a captain. Plus if you don't get selected purely as a player alone , I don't want a player like that to be the captain. At this moment I don't feel comfortable Riyad as Test captain. That's why I said I would rather wait and let Riyad re-establish before giving him additional role even Riayd will be decent captain.
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Old November 28, 2017, 05:54 AM
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Can he improve his Test performance? I very much think so.
Well in the past decade he's consistently he's shown you to be wrong
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Old November 28, 2017, 08:32 AM
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Even in T20, he is good and consistent, and plays as a supporting role, but he is not a match winner.
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Old November 28, 2017, 09:11 AM
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Riyad's style of captaincy reminds me of George Bailey. Very calm, composed. He works well with others in a very subtle way.

Unfortunately though, his enemy might be his performance and consistency. Shakib will probably end up captain of all formats.
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Old November 28, 2017, 10:53 AM
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Cool like Cucumber Riyad was a failure to motivate his talented team to at-least give a fight. It was an embarrassment performance by the top team.
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Good captain but he is too inconsistent. Has done well in T20s past couple of years but we just made Shakib captain so he would have to wait if Shakib fails.

He needs to be more consistent before he can make a case for captaincy.
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He has made a very good case to be vice captain for sure in T20 format.
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Old November 28, 2017, 01:07 PM
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He has made a very good case to be vice captain for sure in T20 format.
Yeah for sure but current vice captain Tamim isn't doing too bad either.
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Old November 28, 2017, 01:24 PM
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Good captain but he is too inconsistent. Has done well in T20s past couple of years but we just made Shakib captain so he would have to wait if Shakib fails.

He needs to be more consistent before he can make a case for captaincy.
It is not that Shakib has to fail. The next coach must sit down and talk to Shakib and what he has on his plate. How burnout he gets. We need him for the Home tests for sure. Soon we will start visiting UAE (Afghans) or Ireland for tests. That crowds the schedule even more.

Ideally I would want no captaincy burden on Shakib. Free of executing his plans on opponents is burden enough. Both with bat and ball. Now focusing on team strategies, lifting team morals, thinking on the fly etc. are too much and I don't think he can give 100% on all sections.
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