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Old November 18, 2017, 12:49 AM
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Worthwhile trying out.

One issue you will see with him though is his preference to score from boundaries. Not the type who will rotate strike, convert 1's to 2's and 2's to 3's.

The dot ball factor is key in T20, and although he might be able to give you a good start, once the field spreads and dot balls starts it gets challenging. But nice to see he is trying to reinvent himself.
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Old November 18, 2017, 01:05 AM
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Worthwhile trying out.

One issue you will see with him though is his preference to score from boundaries. Not the type who will rotate strike, convert 1's to 2's and 2's to 3's.

The dot ball factor is key in T20, and although he might be able to give you a good start, once the field spreads and dot balls starts it gets challenging. But nice to see he is trying to reinvent himself.
Problem is Except shakib and to some extent mushy our whole squad is guilty of this issue. So not sure why you are holding it against him.
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Old November 18, 2017, 01:45 AM
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I dont mind seeing him at 3 in ODIs instead of Sabbir.

Our lower order in ODIs will then be Riad, Sabbir and Saifuddin. Thats a lot of muscle down the order. I don't advocate for Mosaddek at the lower order, I think he should bat 4/5. Shakib can move up or down if needed.

In T20s I dont think Mini will find a place due to combination. I would rather pick Anamul ahead of Mushy infact. Team would be:

Tamim
Soumya
Anamul
Shakib
Riad
Ariful
Sabbir
Saifuddin
Miraz
Fizz
Rahi/Rony

Bench: Mosa, Rahi/Rony, Mini, Mithun
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Old November 18, 2017, 02:42 AM
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Mominul has missed 3/4 catches this BPL and has midfielded often

I'm not sure his batting would be worth it

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Old November 29, 2017, 05:18 PM
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It last couple of matches, it seemed it's very easy to frustrate Momin. I still want to see him given a try in ODI.
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সালাউদ্দিন মুমিনুলকে বললেন ছোট্ট একটি সমস্যার কথা। বলে দিলেন সমাধানও। সেটি নিয়ে কাজ করলেন মুমিনুল। বিকেএসপি থেকে ফিরে চালিয়ে গেলেন কোচের পরামর্শ মেনেই। বিসিএলের প্রথম রাউন্ডেই খেললেন ২৫৮ রানের ইনিংস। কোচকে বললেন, বদলটা দারুণ কাজে দিয়েছে। বিসিএলের পরের রাউন্ডে আবারও সেঞ্চুরি। সেই একই পথে হেঁটে সাফল্য এবার টেস্টেও।

বদলটা কোথায় করেছিলেন মুমিনুল? প্রথম দিনের খেলা শেষে ফোনে বিডিনিউজ টোয়েন্টিফোর ডটকমে সেই গল্প শোনালেন সালাউদ্দিন।

“স্পিনে কিন্তু মুমিনুল সবসময়ই সাবলীল ছিল। গত কিছুদিনে আমি স্রেফ একটি জায়গায় একটু সমস্যা দেখেছিলাম। ওর ‘ইনিশিয়াল ফুট মুভমেন্ট।’ শটের সময় একটি স্টেপ নিচ্ছিল ও। স্পিনাররা বেশির ভাগ সময়ই বল করে সামনে। একটি স্টেপে থমকে যাওয়ায় ওর শটের বিকল্প কমে গিয়েছিল।”

“স্পিনার এটা বুঝেই ওকে ফাঁদে ফেলেছে। আমি ওর ইনিশিয়াল মুভমেন্ট নিয়ে একটু কাজ করেছি। ও সেটি প্র্যাকটিস করেছে। বিসিএলের প্রথম ম্যাচে সেটি কাজে লাগার পর খুব খুশি ছিল। আরও কাজ করেছে। ফল পেয়েছে।”

গত কিছুদিনের মুমিনুলের সঙ্গে এদিনের মুমিনুলের পার্থক্যটাও বুঝিয়ে দিলেন সালাউদ্দিন।

“আজ দেখেছেন, ও সামনে খেলেছে, পেছনে খেলেছে, বেরিয়ে এসেছে, পুরো ক্রিজ দারুণভাবে ব্যবহার করেছে। পায়ের কাজ দিয়ে স্পিনারদের থিতু হতে দেয়নি, স্পিনাররা ওর মুভমেন্ট অনুমানও করতে পারেনি।”

যে পেরেরার বলে আউট হয়ে দল থেকে বাদ পড়েছিলেন, এদিন সেই পেরেরার ৬২ বলে মুমিনুল নিয়েছেন ৫১। লঙ্কানদের সেরা স্পিনার রঙ্গনা হেরাথের ৪৮ বলে ৪৭। চায়নাম্যান লাকশান সান্দাকানের ৩৪ বলে ৪০। ধনঞ্জয়া ডি সিলভার ১২ বলে ৯।
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“দেখুন, মুমিনুলের মাঝে এই ব্যাপারটা বরাবরই আছে। কখনোই নিজের ওপর পুরো খুশি হয় না। সবসময়ই কিছু না কিছু জিজ্ঞেস করে। উন্নতি করতে চায়। তামিমের মাঝেও এটা আছে। অনেক কিছু জানতে চায়। নিজেদের আরও সমৃদ্ধ করার তাড়না ওদের তীব্র।”
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প্রশ্ন জাগতে পারে, যখন স্পিনে আউট হচ্ছিলেন মুমিনুল, জাতীয় দলের সেই সময়ের কোচিং স্টাফদের চোখে কি এই গলদটুকু ধরা পড়েনি? প্রশ্নটা সালাউদ্দিনেরও।
“আগে একবার বলা হয়েছিল, মুমিনুল শর্ট বলে দুর্বল। অবাক হয়েছিলাম। আবার যখন শুনলাম মুমিনুল স্পিনে দুর্বল, আমি স্তম্ভিত হয়ে পড়েছিলাম। স্পিনে মুমিনুলের চেয়ে ভালো বাংলাদেশে কজন আছে!”

“মুমিনুলের যা একটু সমস্যা হয়েছিল, পুরোটাই টেকনিক্যাল। এমন নয় যে মুমিনুল আগে রান করেনি। একজন ব্যাটসম্যানের সমস্যা হতেই পারে। অনেক গ্রেট ব্যাটসম্যানেরও মাঝেমধ্যে এরকম হয়। খেলার মধ্যে থাকে বলে তারা নিজেরা সেটা হয়ত ধরতে পারে না। তখন কোচের দায়িত্ব সেই সমস্যা চিহ্নিত করে কাজ করা। ছুঁড়ে ফেলা সহজ, কিন্তু সেটি তো সমাধান নয়!”

এবারের সেঞ্চুরিটি করলেন মুমিনুল ১৩ টেস্টের অপেক্ষার পর। অথচ প্রথম ১২ টেস্টেই করেছিলেন ৪ সেঞ্চুরি। মাঝের এই খরার একটি ব্যখ্যাও আছে সালাউদ্দিনের।

“খেয়াল করে দেখুন, ওয়ানডে দল থেকে বাদ পড়ার পর এটির আগে আর টেস্ট সেঞ্চুরি করতে পারেনি মুমিনুল। বাংলাদেশের বাস্তবতায় শুধু টেস্ট খেলে নিজেকে ধরে রাখা কঠিন। টেস্ট আমরা কম খেলি। অন্য সময়টায় দলের সঙ্গে না খেলে একা একা কাজ করা কঠিন। আমি নিশ্চিত, যথেষ্ট সুযোগ দিলে ওয়ানডেতেই মুমিনুল এমরকম ইনিংস খেলবে।”

“এটি কোনো অজুহাত নয়। শুধু ব্যাটিং নিয়ে কাজ করাই নয়, এত বিরতি পড়লে মানসিকতায় অনেক সমস্যা হয়। নিজেকে অনুপ্রাণিত করাও কঠিন। আমি তো বলব, মুমিনুল বলেই নিজেকে ধরে রাখতে পেরেছে। কারণ মানসিকভাবে অনেক শক্ত ও। অন্য কেউ হলে হয়ত ঝরে পড়ত। বাংলাদেশের ক্রিকেটে সে রকম উদাহরণ আছে বেশ কিছু।”
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Old January 31, 2018, 04:36 PM
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IMO, selectors should ask him to open during DPL. Also needs to work on his fielding.

He should be consideration for LOIs in July, in WI.
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Old February 1, 2018, 11:09 AM
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He's a good player. Underrated I reckon for 50 overs. It's not easy if you're only part of the test set-up, but not the other formats. Probably played a part when he was off form.
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Old February 3, 2018, 04:39 AM
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I think Mini can fit in the ODI team. For that, we need a RHB to partner Tamim

Tamim
Litton/Anamul
Mini
Mushy
Shakib
Riad
Sabbir
Miraz
Saif/Rubel
Mash
Fizz

Pretty good XI, missing a leggie otherwise a dynamic side
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Old February 3, 2018, 04:45 AM
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I think Mini can fit in the ODI team. For that, we need a RHB to partner Tamim

Tamim
Litton/Anamul
Mini
Mushy
Shakib
Riad
Sabbir
Miraz
Saif/Rubel
Mash
Fizz

Pretty good XI, missing a leggie otherwise a dynamic side
The right and left thing doesn't have that big of an effect, it's overstated, it's the same stupid tactic we use when deciding to bowl only os to left and left arm orthodox to right handed batsmen

Priority should be given to ability first

Tamim
Mominul
Shakib
Mushfiq

Is a fine structure
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Momin needs to play another masterclass innings tomorrow to save us from an inn defeat first.
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Momin needs to play another masterclass innings tomorrow to save us from an inn defeat first.
he'll be out within either the first 5 overs or the first hour
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he'll be out within either the first 5 overs or the first hour
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no harm trying.

on a serious note actually I am just stating the pattern that we have seen so many times
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I can finally say that we have a world class batsmen his name is Mominul Haque
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Old February 3, 2018, 08:43 AM
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The right and left thing doesn't have that big of an effect, it's overstated, it's the same stupid tactic we use when deciding to bowl only os to left and left arm orthodox to right handed batsmen

Priority should be given to ability first

Tamim
Mominul
Shakib
Mushfiq

Is a fine structure
It is not a stupid tactics. You will see the best teams have a LR opening combo - SA, Aus, India all do. 2 lefties righties I dont mind but too often we have 3 lefties in the top order and that makes it easy for opposition. Rememer what Lyon did to us?

But frankly speaking, i think Mushy should bat at no.3 He is hands down our best batsman both temparementally and technically. Mini can then bat as an opener while Shakib can come at 4/5
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It is not a stupid tactics. You will see the best teams have a LR opening combo - SA, Aus, India all do. 2 lefties righties I dont mind but too often we have 3 lefties in the top order and that makes it easy for opposition. Rememer what Lyon did to us?

But frankly speaking, i think Mushy should bat at no.3 He is hands down our best batsman both temparementally and technically. Mini can then bat as an opener while Shakib can come at 4/5
I think it is a bit of a stretch to say that Mushy has the best temperament, he lets emotions get the better of him quite often. Hard to say who has the best temperament in our team though, players like Riyad and Shakib have had some good knocks under pressure in the recent past but also quite a few brainfarts.
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Old February 3, 2018, 07:28 PM
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It is not a stupid tactics. You will see the best teams have a LR opening combo - SA, Aus, India all do. 2 lefties righties I dont mind but too often we have 3 lefties in the top order and that makes it easy for opposition. Rememer what Lyon did to us?

But frankly speaking, i think Mushy should bat at no.3 He is hands down our best batsman both temparementally and technically. Mini can then bat as an opener while Shakib can come at 4/5
You are probably right, L-R opening pair is a traditional and battle proven tactic.
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Mominul is a fantastic batsman, outrageous how he played so few odis.
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Old February 3, 2018, 07:56 PM
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It is not a stupid tactics. You will see the best teams have a LR opening combo - SA, Aus, India all do. 2 lefties righties I dont mind but too often we have 3 lefties in the top order and that makes it easy for opposition. Rememer what Lyon did to us?

But frankly speaking, i think Mushy should bat at no.3 He is hands down our best batsman both temparementally and technically. Mini can then bat as an opener while Shakib can come at 4/5
Going left right as a tactic, is a stupid tactic, if it can be accommodate it, then yh great, but ability shouldn't be compromised to accommodate left right combo... No country does left right for the sake of it

We didn't deal with lyon because of lack of skill to adapt to a flat pitch after expecting a turning one... Not because of such a left handed top order
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Mominul is a fantastic batsman, outrageous how he played so few odis.
He wasn't Haturi's favorite, reasons unknown. His fortunes ran out once Haturi came and started shifting him around in the batting order(in ODIs). He came to bat at 7 and 9 at one point, it was ridiculous!

Probably would've been dropped from test squad way earlier had it not been for his previous records. Glad to see him performing well again and hopefully he gets a shot @3 in ODIs.
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I think it is a bit of a stretch to say that Mushy has the best temperament, he lets emotions get the better of him quite often. Hard to say who has the best temperament in our team though, players like Riyad and Shakib have had some good knocks under pressure in the recent past but also quite a few brainfarts.
No one is perfect. Best can easily be identified quantifiably. For temperament, who has faced the most balls. For temperament under pressure you can do the same measure in stressful batting conditions (requires some degree of subjectivity for pressure) but the most objective would be simply who has faced most balls per innings in the 4th innings.

IMO, Tamim and Mushy are our two best in term of temperament.

Balls/innings:

Mominul 76
Mushy 70.52
Tamim 70.27
Shakib 60.28
Riyad 57.55
Imrul 52.63
Bashar 50.71
Ashraful 49.92

In the 4th innings:

Mushy 75.94
Mominul 64.56
Tamim 63.05
Ashraful 54.27
Shakib 52.06
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Going left right as a tactic, is a stupid tactic, if it can be accommodate it, then yh great, but ability shouldn't be compromised to accommodate left right combo... No country does left right for the sake of it

We didn't deal with lyon because of lack of skill to adapt to a flat pitch after expecting a turning one... Not because of such a left handed top order
This is how it goes, if you have a Left handed batsman who is an 8/10 , and 2 prospective partners, a lefty who is 7/10 and right handed batsman who is 6.5/10. In such a scenario I would be inclined to go with a right handed partner. But if the rating of the right handed partner is 6 or below then I wouldn't because that negate the ability of the opening combo.

Yes Lyon exposed our ability but I believe slotting in a RHB like Mushy up the order would have helped to an extent.

This L/R is not significant but it is surely a tactic that can be used effectively. But that doesn't mean we would pick mediocre players up the order. E.G - Sabbir at no. 3! I would rather have mini at 3 after 2 lefty batsmen rather than having Sabbir there by any means in ODIs and Tests.
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