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Old December 13, 2017, 02:50 AM
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He won't get BPL pay checks in future if he performed like the way he performed. Although his chances were very limited

Ariful will get a fatter paycheck than musa next season
If he remains in the BD squad, he will be picked in BPL regardless. As poor as batted, he was still picked in every game as a specialist bowler (lol) for the 2nd best team in the tournament.

Unless BPL gets much better players, Mosaddek will walk into any of the 7 sides and get whatever pay check he gets auctioned on.

From central contract to domestic tournaments and match fees, Mosaddek can easily make 100,000 to 120,000 USD per year. Thats decent money in Bangladesh. And a lot of money for someone who wont get an IPL deal. If he gets to Riyad level, he can make closer to 200k.
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Old January 6, 2018, 03:42 PM
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Mosaddek BCL performance watch initiated:

final round of NCL Musa hit scores of 35 and 50* at an average of 85.00. If he continues to score big runs, hopefully he will push Riyad out of the Test XI for good.
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Old January 6, 2018, 03:52 PM
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^^ It's not Riyad that keeping him out of the squad atm, it's Nasir. Given the next two Test series are in WI and Aus, Riyad is not leaving the Test squad anytime soon.

Mosaddek and Nasir both have been bullying the domestics for last one year or so, thus competing with each other for home matches. But, I think Nasir will be phased out for good once we start playing more outside home.
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Old January 6, 2018, 04:18 PM
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^^ It's not Riyad that keeping him out of the squad atm, it's Nasir. Given the next two Test series are in WI and Aus, Riyad is not leaving the Test squad anytime soon.

Mosaddek and Nasir both have been bullying the domestics for last one year or so, thus competing with each other for home matches. But, I think Nasir will be phased out for good once we start playing more outside home.
Nasir hasn't played a Test in ages (one off vs AUS excluded). He was blacklisted by Hathu.

Riyad as near continuous selection is taking Mosaddek's spot. It would also be a more like for like replacement in my view given Nasir bats as a lower order.

The way I see it, Nasir isn't in contention anywhere. Riyad who has no big scores since 2010, shouldn't be selected when there are promising youngsters waiting. The management may have other ideas, unfortunately.

The other option is if Mushy returns to WK, which opens up another batting spot. This is prolly the best for fitting Mosaddek in the squad.

Regardless a guy with a FC average of 65+ and a solid performance in his only Test should not be sitting on the sidelines.
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Far from competing with Riyad, Hathu even preferred an inexperienced Shanto over Mosaddek when he was out of options in NZ. Given Mosaddek's reputation against pace, I think Hathu's reluctance to slot him in a Test match outside subcontinent was justified.

Even though Hathu is gone now, I don't expect Nannu-Sujon to change that view of Mosaddek in a hurry.
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How is mosa after his eye surgery? His eyes are 100%? Mosa and shanto are probably the two most promising test batsmen and both should be getting chances in the squad where possible.
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^^ He did not have any eye surgery, but a red eye for months. Flopped in BPL, but scored a fifty not out in his last NCL innings. Few good BCL innings, I guess he will be back for the Test series against SL in place of Sabbir or Nasir.
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Far from competing with Riyad, Hathu even preferred an inexperienced Shanto over Mosaddek when he was out of options in NZ. Given Mosaddek's reputation against pace, I think Hathu's reluctance to slot him in a Test match outside subcontinent was justified.

Even though Hathu is gone now, I don't expect Nannu-Sujon to change that view of Mosaddek in a hurry.
This is an example of one of Hathu's blunders. Selecting Sabbir, Shanto, ahead of Mosaddek. No one has seen Mosaddek bat against pace outside the subcontinent so it would have been impossible for anyone to know anything definitively. He handled Lakmal well enough who sliced through India's order twice subcontinent. Mosaddek's highest ODI score is in NZ in fact, against Ferguson and Southee... he even hit Southee for a 6. Southee is a decent quick. The sample size is far too small to say he cant play pace.

We rarely play outside the subcontinent anyways...only 2 of our 8 tests scheduled this year are outside SC and Darwin in August will basically be subcontinent conditions.
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^^ It's not only Hathu, his academy coach also said he is weak against pace. Couple of years ago, he struggled against some SA village team while touring with the A-team. Nothing wrong in hoping he got better since then, but prolly not enough to unsettle Riyad on bouncier WI or Aus pitches (drop-in pitches can be tweaked to produce better bounce too, as shown in NZ).
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^^ He did not have any eye surgery, but a red eye for months. Flopped in BPL, but scored a fifty not out in his last NCL innings. Few good BCL innings, I guess he will be back for the Test series against SL in place of Sabbir or Nasir.
Maybe, or they could go with shanto.
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^^ Doubt it, given SL spinners will be the main threat in the Test series and Mosaddek is one of our best against spin.
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^^ It's not only Hathu, his academy coach also said he is weak against pace. Couple of years ago, he struggled against some SA village team while touring with the A-team. Nothing wrong in hoping he got better since then, but prolly not enough to unsettle Riyad on bouncier WI or Aus pitches (drop-in pitches can be tweaked to produce better bounce too, as shown in NZ).
Eshen bro, use the quote button once in a while, lol.

I think the only way for these guys to get better is to play in the national team given our non-existent A team. Personally I'd rather let a youngster play ahead of Riyad who no matter how great he is at playing fast bowling, barely averages 30 in Tests.
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^^ Doubt it, given SL spinners will be the main threat in the Test series and Mosaddek is one of our best against spin.
One would hope the current team management/think tank is aware of these facts.
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If mosaddek is given an extended run in the test team he can improve. He is already doing well in the domestics. The next step for him is to do well against quality bowling attacks. In between, he could also be send for HP tours when he is not playing any international match.
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I think the only way for these guys to get better is to play in the national team given our non-existent A team. Personally I'd rather let a youngster play ahead of Riyad who no matter how great he is at playing fast bowling, barely averages 30 in Tests.
Ideally Riyad, Sabbir, Soumya - all three should be LOI specialists only. However, Hathuru left us in a tangle when he ignored to develop Test specialists (ie ignored guys like Naeem) and used the same set of players for all formats. I do agree that promising FC players like Mosaddek, LKD (without being burdened with keeping gloves), and perhaps Shanto too should be gradually accommodated in the Test team, for long stints. However, I will still argue, from the current set up, Sabbir and Nasir should be first to go, not Riyad.
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. I do agree that promising FC players like Mosaddek, LKD (without being burdened with keeping gloves), and perhaps Shanto too should be gradually accommodated in the Test team, for long stints. However, I will still argue, from the current set up, Sabbir and Nasir should be first to go, not Riyad.
Now that Haturu is not here any longer, do you think BCB management will do that?

If not, then why just blame Haturu? He may be part of the problem, but he was not the only problem.
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Ideally Riyad, Sabbir, Soumya - all three should be LOI specialists only. However, Hathuru left us in a tangle when he ignored to develop Test specialists (ie ignored guys like Naeem) and used the same set of players for all formats. I do agree that promising FC players like Mosaddek, LKD (without being burdened with keeping gloves), and perhaps Shanto too should be gradually accommodated in the Test team, for long stints. However, I will still argue, from the current set up, Sabbir and Nasir should be first to go, not Riyad.
Bangladesh really needs a good test opener beside Tamim. As you were talking about Liton. One thing I noticed about that guy in the SA series. He was willing to learn from his mistake. When he got out nicking the ball to get caught in the first test. He left more balls in the later innings. That was a great attitude shown by him. Though, he got out leaving a ball that was on his stumps. I think he can be tried as a test opener. Nurul can be played as the keeper.
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Now that Haturu is not here any longer, do you think BCB management will do that?

If not, then why just blame Haturu? He may be part of the problem, but he was not the only problem.
It's too early to tell what Sujon-Nannu upto now. However, I think it is wise of them (though I initially disagreed) to send away Mosaddek to BCL, where he can focus on preparing for the Test series. For an inexperienced player like him, especially coming back from a long lay off, may not be wise having to switch between formats.

If needed, Riyad should be benched in the home series. He was given vice captaincy to spite Tamim for his BPL protests, that political move should not be a factor in the Test XI selection.
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Bangladesh really needs a good test opener beside Tamim. As you were talking about Liton. One thing I noticed about that guy in the SA series. He was willing to learn from his mistake. When he got out nicking the ball to get caught in the first test. He left more balls in the later innings. That was a great attitude shown by him. Though, he got out leaving a ball that was on his stumps. I think he can be tried as a test opener. Nurul can be played as the keeper.
That's the other problem Hathuru left us with. LKD is a limited over keeper, but does not keep regularly in FC (Dhiman keeps for Rangpur, Zakir for East Zone). He is a genuine top order option who should have been told to focus on his batting.
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This guy is a genuine batting well-rounded talent(can bowl a bit too). one of those"impact" players Papon mentioned. he needs to be groomed carefully. He is not to be discarded too soon. He is a must for the Test team, for ODI, should be given a good run in top 4.
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Ideally Riyad, Sabbir, Soumya - all three should be LOI specialists only. However, Hathuru left us in a tangle when he ignored to develop Test specialists (ie ignored guys like Naeem) and used the same set of players for all formats. I do agree that promising FC players like Mosaddek, LKD (without being burdened with keeping gloves), and perhaps Shanto too should be gradually accommodated in the Test team, for long stints. However, I will still argue, from the current set up, Sabbir and Nasir should be first to go, not Riyad.
Sabbir is a terrible prospect for longer version. He can't even bat in ODIs. He is needed at 6 or below in ODIs, and the only place where he warrants a top order spot is in T20. He neither has the technique nor the attention span to bat more than 15-20 overs.

Nasir I feel was a bit hard done by when he was dropped. Granted, he had been failing for a while, but he had 3 solid years to start his career. That should have bought him more chances.

Riyad is kind of an Ashraful 2.0. Has the technique, works hard, and would be an important player (I still think he is a critical player in our ODI team). But just can't seal the deal. I don't mind him being in the squad, but I would not like to see him ahead of Mosaddek or Mominul under any circumstances because he's had more than enough chances.

My ideal Test XI at the current moment would be:

1) Tamim
2) Shadman
3) Mominul
4) Mushfiq/Mosaddek
5) Mosaddek/Mushfiq
6) Shakib (C)
7) Nurul/Liton (WK)
8) Miraz
9) Taijul (3rd seamer overseas as long as its not Rubel, Shahadat, or Taskin)
10) Ebadat
11) Mustafiz

We still have 3 lefties to start, but I think you have to play your best players even if all 11 are left handed or right handed. Shadman is the best opener after Tamim in the country I feel. Very consistent if not spectacular. Nurul's keeping is allegedly significantly better than Liton, and Liton is only marginally better as a batsman (50 avg vs 40 = 25%). Ebadat I picked over others because he's young and has had some hype around him. Plus, he's a fellow Moulvibazari
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If not, then why just blame Haturu? He may be part of the problem, but he was not the only problem.
Hathu was the scapegoat. As a foreigner, he's the only one we could get rid of. Plus many of the questionable moves seemed to originate with him. Plus players seemed to dislike him and he seemed to be a control freak.
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Hathu was the scapegoat. As a foreigner, he's the only one we could get rid of. Plus many of the questionable moves seemed to originate with him. Plus players seemed to dislike him and he seemed to be a control freak.
That's fine if someone has some agenda i.e just blame one person hide all other's faults. In my humble opinion, it's more constructive constructive criticism, when you shelf your dislike of a person and do a fair and thorough analysis and at least acknowledge all the people who were part of the problem.

Now as haturu is gone and no new foreign coach is filling the gap, things will be exposed pretty soon... There will be no place to hide.

Now if they produce, then I will re-evaluate my position... Ie may be Haturu was the only culprit for all of our problem.

Until then I will stick to my original opinion that there were others( players, bcb management) who are also part of the problem.
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Now as haturu is gone and no new foreign coach is filling the gap, things will be exposed pretty soon... There will be no place to hide.
Or the opposite could happen. The team might return to winning ways.

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Until then I will stick to my original opinion that there were others( players, bcb management) who are also part of the problem.
Easier to remove a coach than BCB management or the players. Players in fact we are stuck with for better or worse.
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Mosaddek FC average now just under 68...67.94 to be precise.

And to think he started his career with a pair, and only had 10 runs from his first 3 games at an average of 2!
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