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Old January 2, 2018, 06:23 PM
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Surprised that there hasn't been more discussion about this here.

I wonder what circumstances ultimately drove Simmons to accept the Afghanistan gig before an appointment was made by the BCB. I am inclined to believe that the Head Coach role for Bangladesh is both more prestigious and more lucrative than the equivalent role for Afghanistan. Or am I mistaken? Why would Simmons not wait for an answer from the BCB before accepting the ACB's offer?

If, on the other hand, BCB signaled to him that they were not interested, I wonder if they have much better alternatives in mind. Given the number of potential candidates the BCB approached (all of whom removed themselves from further consideration), I wonder whether an effort was made to keep Simmons in the running until BCB had made a final decision.

Of course, the terms of the BCB Head Coach position may have been overly onerous compared to that of ACB (e.g. number of vacation days between series). Nevertheless, I find it rather odd that Simmons would accept the ACB role before the BCB has confirmed anything.
Simmons has a history of coaching low profile teams like ZIM, IRE, AFG. BD are a mid profile team now similar to SL, PAK, WI.

All Simmons has to do is keep beating ZIM to guarantee that he doesn't leave AFG a worse team than he found it. Harder to do as a BD coach especially when you see that Hathu led the team to 3 Test wins and some big ODI series wins and was still almost reviled by the time he left.

Then you have the fact that we generally don't do to well when it comes to hiring and retaining coaches for whatever reason.
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Old January 2, 2018, 06:39 PM
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how about Tom moody. he is extremely professional and saw his dedication as rangpur rider coach
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Old January 3, 2018, 03:58 AM
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I am sure he knew BCB wouldnt call him.
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Old January 3, 2018, 09:41 AM
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how about Tom moody. he is extremely professional and saw his dedication as rangpur rider coach
Think he is currently coaching in three different T20 leagues (IPL, PSL, BPL) as well as having adviser/team director roles in few other leagues. He is making way more money from his seasonal jobs, with much less headache, than he would be making from a full time commitment to one international team.
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Old January 3, 2018, 11:24 AM
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... when Haturu quit, that's what I was afraid of. BCB (specially this current regiment) takes too long to find a permanent coach. Same thing happened after Siddon left (contract not renewed).

With Chacha, Mashrafee and Sakib, I am desperately hoping (against hope) that things work out short term. But if they stay this hodge-podge coaching combo medium term....things will get ugly.

if things goes bad few series... who will take the ownership of the failure? the blame game will start flying all around.
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Old January 3, 2018, 01:28 PM
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Sounds like Halsall planning to leave things for the players to figure out -

Chandika not being here will give players more space to think, says Halsall
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Old January 3, 2018, 11:30 PM
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Our fielding has been horrid under Halsall
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Old January 4, 2018, 04:58 AM
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Its been very average, below ordinary at times. But i dont think we can dramatically improve our fielding level even if we get Rhodes and Ponting to simultaneously coach our guys.

You look at our fielding issues, its often more to do with psychological issue than technical.

And if you consider say the Indian team which is absolutely top class in its fielding, you will see players taking an initiative to upgrade their skills, as opposed to them being told.
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Old January 7, 2018, 03:47 AM
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Guys, my insider source tells me that Shujon is actively lobbying with the board to be the next coach of The Tigers. This is not good news. That man does not take care of his own health, how can he take care of a team?
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Guys, my insider source tells me that Shujon is actively lobbying with the board to be the next coach of The Tigers. This is not good news. That man does not take care of his own health, how can he take care of a team?
Not exactly a fan of Shujon as Coach. if we are gonna go the "desi route" then I would prefer Mohammad Salahuddin whom many senior players respect for his knowledge of the game and coaching advice.
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Old January 7, 2018, 09:40 AM
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I am actually worried BCB might be thinking in this line. Hence their decision to snub Simmons.

Maybe they are thinking because foreign coaches dont stay for long, they will opt for foreign for specialist roles, and leave the director role to a local, same way as India has kept Shastri. Except BCB has to realize BD doesnt have the quality, and depth of India, and Sujon is no Shastri.
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Old January 7, 2018, 09:58 AM
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Guys, my insider source tells me that Shujon is actively lobbying with the board to be the next coach of The Tigers. This is not good news. That man does not take care of his own health, how can he take care of a team?
Your insider source is few weeks too late. Everybody already knows this. Get a better source or pay the current one more. Ask him if we are going to sack Walsh
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Old January 7, 2018, 12:07 PM
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Guys, my insider source tells me that Shujon is actively lobbying with the board to be the next coach of The Tigers. This is not good news. That man does not take care of his own health, how can he take care of a team?
This is the chance to show what he can or cannot produce.

It's not an easy task like the team manger's job. Let's see how long he can survive.
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Old January 11, 2018, 01:50 PM
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A comment from Sujon during a recent talk show made me concerned - he wants some of the junior players to play in English club leagues during summer, as a prep for WC'19. From what I hear, players in those weekend leagues drink more than they train. Zimbabwean national players used to take part in those leagues regularly until their board stopped them few years ago, because the players were losing fitness while playing in those leagues.

Perhaps it was beneficial for Nannu-Sujon to play in those leagues in the ICC Trophy era, but they need to realize those leagues are not fit for current group of professional cricketers. Any fringe player not playing for BD during summer, should be benefited more by training with the HP squad.
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Old January 12, 2018, 02:34 AM
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Your insider source is few weeks too late. Everybody already knows this. Get a better source or pay the current one more. Ask him if we are going to sack Walsh
Hahaha, I asked him too late to be honest. My fault, not his.
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A comment from Sujon during a recent talk show made me concerned - he wants some of the junior players to play in English club leagues during summer, as a prep for WC'19. From what I hear, players in those weekend leagues drink more than they train.
They are adults not children.
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Old January 12, 2018, 08:06 AM
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You never know might not be a bad idea. Those days Aminul Islam used to play for Minor Counties. Most important thing is adapting, feeling comfortable with the conditions.
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Old January 13, 2018, 02:28 AM
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I am very frightened for the team under Shujon. I have come to know things about him. Nothing sinister, but just personal stuff. Let's just say he would be better off if he retired and looked after his physical and mental health.

We need a PRO at the helm.
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I think it's a good opportunity to clean the house and this transition period will distinguish the real from the pretenders. For Sujon and for senior players who were given coaching and leadership role...there will be no place to hide ...either they will shine and show their worth... Or they will sink and will be exposed.
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Old January 13, 2018, 02:25 PM
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I think it's a good opportunity to clean the house and this transition period will distinguish the real from the pretenders. For Sujon and for senior players who were given coaching and leadership role...there will be no place to hide ...either they will shine and show their worth... Or they will sink and will be exposed.
Don't think SL or NZ are strong enough to expose us in Bangladesh. Maybe in ZIM conditions.

But it will be an interesting series for sure. Just to see what kind of ideas whoever is in charge comes up with vis a vis the stale ideas of Hathu.
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IMO, impact of a coach is often better felt after he leaves. Tamim-Shakib-Mushfiq were upset when Siddons left, as they benefited from him as a batting coach. Their later performances justified that view.

On the other hand, Mushfiq frequently said Hathuru was lucky to inherit a team on the rise, that he took more credit for the team's success than he deserved. This series will definitely put that statement on trial.
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This series will also be interesting to see whether improvements Anam and Nasir showed under Salahuddin in the last DPL, playing for Gazi Group, will transfer to ODI. If they succeed, it will also make a strong case for Momin (also a key player for Gazi) to be considered again for ODI, based on his DPL and BPL performances.
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Aman? I am expecting something good.
Nasir? I will be surprised if he shines. We saw him bits and pieces recently, nothing really gives me hope...he is a filler player at best to me.
Momin? Hopefully it works out fine for him.

I have more hope for Anam and Momin than Nasir at present.
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Nasir from 2011-2013 was a hungry, driven amazing finisher. During that time, he was probably the perfect finisher in world cricket. The current Nasir Hossain is a completely different person. not sure what happened time.

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Old January 13, 2018, 06:37 PM
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Nasir? I will be surprised if he shines. We saw him bits and pieces recently, nothing really gives me hope...he is a filler player at best to me.
Agree. I would have gambled on Mosaddek, in place of Nasir, even though he was off color during BPL. This is one decision that's very likely to bite Sujon and the seniors who backed Nasir.
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