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Old January 26, 2018, 09:21 AM
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Default 2018 BD U19 team - First Impressions

I observed this team closely yesterday for the first time. I have seen bits and pieces of some of the players in DPL/BPL but saw them up close against a formidable opponent.

Batting - Pinak seems very mediocre. Very one dimensional and doesn't rotate strike. The other opener Naim also doesn't inspire lot of confidence. Saif came and left. Doesn't move his feet much. Others failed to catch any attention. Afif looked okay in BPL but him and Hridoy were also disappointing.

Bowling - Qazi Onik bowls good length. Needs to up his pace a bit. Indian U19 seamers were steaming in at 140s. Hasan Mahmud is faster but very erratic. Taskin type. Robiul is very normal. Tall spinner Nayeem doesn't spin the ball much. Just keeps it tight.

Attitude - Fielded well. Some of them had good intensity esp Onik. But overall didn't seem to confident. Saif wasn't vocal enough. Indian fielders were high-fiving after a good throw or dive. But BD players seemed nervous. During batting, we also lacked aggression. The plan was to keep wickets in the first 10 overs without bothering about RR.

Overall - This team will not produce any superstars. These players need a lot of polishing. No real hitter in the batting department and lack of genuine spinners is also evident. Even the previous U19 teams had some fluent players who were topping the charts (i.e Anamul being the highest scorer in WC at tough Aussie conditions).

Players that might make to national team - Saif, Afif, Onik, Nayeem. Maybe Pinak and Hridoy.

Summary - Another let down at the U19 level. There is no raw talent visible. The wait continues.
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Old January 26, 2018, 09:35 AM
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Last Under 19 WC, you could say Miraz, Saifuddin, Shanto were candidates for NT.

Based on the performance in the 2018 Under 19 WC, and prior matches, you dont get any confidence in any of the players.

Afif has always been the one to watch out for. Qazi Onik has some spunk. Both are far from the level required at the NT.

Interesting to see Nayeem being called up for Test Team. Maybe selectors see sth we are not aware of.
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Old January 26, 2018, 09:58 AM
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Back in 2014, Miraz and Co played in plate division. That team included Fizz, Mosaddek, Miraz, LKD, Shanto, Rony.

IMO, the current U/19 team is harshly judged in BC.

Despite the results, I liked what I saw in Hasan Mahmud, Robiul, Afif, and Hridoy. They have their foundations right, need some polishing.

Saif so far is a big let down, he definitely needs to improve on his footwork.

As for Onik, I liked his fighting spirit. But I don't see the potential in him to grow any further skill/ability-wise.
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Old January 26, 2018, 10:27 AM
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^Well you need to take this improvement with a grain of salt. As they are comparatively better than previous outings may be, there are more competition now to get into the national team and international cricket has also been changing rapidly and moving upwards technique-wise in a violent pace. Just look at Afg.
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Old January 26, 2018, 10:38 AM
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^^ U/19 team is only there to spot few good talents. If you're talking about overall improvement of cricket in the country and taking the national team forward, it will be hilarious to correlate it to the U/19 team alone. There are so many other things BCB need to focus on now (regional infrastructure for example), the U/19 team should be least of their worry.
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Old January 26, 2018, 10:49 AM
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Old January 26, 2018, 10:50 AM
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^I understand, it may be the bottom of the list but look at the effort put in by other countries. Afg may be a surprising performer in this tournament. Even for BD not much coming out from first-class, A team or HP unit. May be HP is a little helpful for mediocre performers such as Imrul to keep their feet up on the water. But, when Shakib needs an offie he resorts to a U19 player, tells you the importance of it.
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Old January 26, 2018, 10:50 AM
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I watched the first 10 overs of batting and it was painful to watch. Felt like no 8 and 9 were batting to save a test match
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Old January 26, 2018, 10:55 AM
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^I understand, it may be the bottom of the list but look at the effort put in by other countries. Afg may be a surprising performer in this tournament. Even for BD not much coming out from first-class, A team or HP unit. May be HP is a little helpful for mediocre performers such as Imrul to keep their feet up on the water. But, when Shakib needs an offie he resorts to a U19 player, tells you the importance of it.
Ohh okay uncle...but still, ami amar geyani, shondori, talented, medhabi, porashonai bhalo, ranna jane, gaan jana adorer meye-der ei dhoron-er chheleder kachey biye dibo naa. This is my final word.
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Old January 26, 2018, 10:57 AM
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Ohh okay uncle...but still, ami amar geyani, shondori, talented, medhabi, porashonai bhalo, ranna jane, gaan jana adorer meye-der ei dhoron-er chheleder kachey biye dibo naa. This is my final word.
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Old January 26, 2018, 11:16 AM
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^I understand, it may be the bottom of the list but look at the effort put in by other countries. Afg may be a surprising performer in this tournament. Even for BD not much coming out from first-class, A team or HP unit. May be HP is a little helpful for mediocre performers such as Imrul to keep their feet up on the water. But, when Shakib needs an offie he resorts to a U19 player, tells you the importance of it.
IMO, Nayeem's selection points to more towards failure of our FC system than importance of the U/19 team. Shakib is looking for another attacking offspinner, but none other than Miraz is to be found in our FC system as it's dominated by defensive SLAs. Even Nayeem prolly will turn out to be a defensive spinner if he plays in our domestics long enough, as his captain-keeper will constantly tell him not to flight it up but to focus more on containment with flatter balls. Matter of fact, his U/19 captain-keeper prolly already dented his confidence quite a bit as they have been telling him to focus on containment as well.

Keep looking for wonder boys from the U/19 will not take us any further. A big shift is needed in nature of pitches and nature of thinking process in our domestics.
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Old January 26, 2018, 11:30 AM
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First Impressions Overall is Poor.

I saw the games they played against England and India (only bowling).

Batting: The scores tell you most of the story. Ok in the England game some umpiring decisions were poor though.

Bowling: No one stands out. Pacers cant bowl line and length and drift on the legs very often. Spinners all reminded me of Chokka Nayeem throwing pies.

Fielding: Mediocre. Alot of easy runs being allowed. One or two decent catches though. Wicket keeping by Ankon was very good.

Attitude: Looked tired (despite a break), looked timid most of the time. Only Onik and Ankon was positive about the game. Everyone else seemed to overwhelmed. Captain looked like he was the drinks boy and had to aggression in him .

Players to be promoted: I wouldnt promote anyone from this line up.
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Old January 26, 2018, 11:32 AM
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Gave too many extras early on the in the game when pressure was needed


They need to work on reducing the singles thar batsmen take easily.
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Old January 26, 2018, 11:42 AM
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I am surprised that the batsmen didn't even try, they could have gone down swinging. I didn't watch the first half but from the scorecard BD bowlers did pretty decent it seems especially Onik.
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Old January 26, 2018, 11:51 AM
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They need to work on reducing the singles thar batsmen take easily.
This is the result of defensive mindset that BKSP have been breeding for years. You will see Shakib-Tamim-Mushfiq doing the same thing when they lead - a defensive field setting and containment bowling, overly concerned about not letting opposition score any boundary.
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Old January 26, 2018, 01:24 PM
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Hasan Mahmud is only 18 and bowling up to 140. Thats still a big deal for Bangladesh where we only have 5-6 bowlers capable of bowling such speeds in the entire country. He gets good bounce as well. Just needs to work on his line and length and stamina.

Robiul also looked decent. No pace just 125, but tall and hits the bat hard.

The batsman were all garbage. Even Afif failed when it really mattered against India.
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Old January 26, 2018, 01:35 PM
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Robiul, I think, will be a better version of AJ Rahi as a seam bowler. Being taller, he gets better bounce from the pitch.

With his nice smooth action, I expect him to get above 130 KPH in a year or two.

With Mash retiring soon, I think he is someone to keep an eye on.
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Old January 26, 2018, 01:52 PM
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Robiul, I think, will be a better version of AJ Rahi as a seam bowler. Being taller, he gets better bounce from the pitch.

With his nice smooth action, I expect him to get above 130 KPH in a year or two.

With Mash retiring soon, I think he is someone to keep an eye on.
Interestingly, though he is somewhat quick and tall (probably taller than Taskin), Hasan is not aggressive. Granted I've only seen him in two games, and aggression didn't work out well for either Taskin or Shahadat. But he's not a menacing guy.

I would like to see the following seamers for ODI cricket by the 2019 World Cup:

Mustafiz
Rubel
Mash (not including him as a specialist)
Abu Hider Rony
Hasan Mahmud

For our Test team I'd like to see the following five:

Mustafiz
Ebadat
Hasan Mahmud (depending on first class performance)
Abu Hider Rony
someone else, maybe Yasir Arafat Mishu or Imran Ali
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Old January 26, 2018, 02:02 PM
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I am surprised that the batsmen didn't even try, they could have gone down swinging. I didn't watch the first half but from the scorecard BD bowlers did pretty decent it seems especially Onik.
It was a very sensible approach in the beginning. I was actually pretty impressed. Then Naim got out, and Pinak threw his wicket away.
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Old January 26, 2018, 02:29 PM
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It was a very sensible approach in the beginning. I was actually pretty impressed. Then Naim got out, and Pinak threw his wicket away.
You are probably right but to me it seemed as if they are uninterested, none showed any intent to score, but since I watched only bits and pieces of the game so might be a bit too harsh on them.
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Bowling : Qazi looked very good. He has good future prospects. Spinners looked average.
Fielding : Dropped many catches!
Batting : No singles were being taken. Shot selection and stroke-making was poor. Should have aimed to get to 130 in 25 overs. But, in 40ish overs, they were 130. lol
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Old January 26, 2018, 05:24 PM
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Obviously they didn't perform very well but there are a few prospects. My picks would be towhid, afif and mahmud hasan.
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2016 team had an exciting prospect in Miraz, the one before that had Mosaddek. This one doesn't have any.

But they're better than how much they got bundled out for vs England and India.

Coaching is to blame. I couldn't believe what the coach said at half-time. Pretty much already accepted defeat.

Even more than an exciting prospect, what I wanted to see in the team is a good mentality. Unfortunately, it was the same common, weak mentality that we always see in all of our teams. Defensive, not good enough body language, and a middle order that can't handle pressure. Age level and BKSP coaching needs a big shakeup in the mentality aspect. And that U19 coach needs to be fired.
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^ What did the coach say?
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Old January 26, 2018, 10:12 PM
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I think they were given proper coaching facilities this time.

Damien Wright is a big bash level coach, with plenty of playing experience in county, Aussie domestic.

Probably not the best squad in terms of talent.
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