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Old January 27, 2018, 04:18 PM
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Under him not a single young player improved, if he was so good then why did not Soumya,Sabbir,Liton,Taskin,Nurul,Mosad improve under him ?
He got benefited by some ready made young guns like SS,Sabbir, Task, Musta and the matured senior players.
Credit to him for using them properly but zero credit in improving the young guys.
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Old January 27, 2018, 05:39 PM
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he proved that he is the best tactician going around
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Old January 27, 2018, 08:44 PM
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While we admire his success and to be exact I was the first to congratulate him in match thread - just stating it in the start so nobody derails my discussion to follow with some twisted perception not having any effort to understand the other side of the coin before voicing their condescending but not necessarily rational opinion.
You can tell from his tweet, "it is not how you fall, it is always how you land" - the ethereal mental condition he was in also during the series. Now he is able to instill more confidence to his team with players who will not even make BD national team per se. He knew it had become personal as soon he left BCB. It was a challenge and he was about to utilize every possible weakness he could conspire to during his recent stint with us. As a moral being you may find this action ethically disgraceful but as West Indies U-19 team will vengefully remind us in every youth world cup that this is not about gentlemanship, it is all about legality, Cricket since it's dawn was and is War, where everything is fair.

Now the reason behind above introduction is pretty obvious. Hathuri not in his right mind could think of a better result for his team in this series. He knows every nukes and nudges of our bureaucratic organs inside BCB. How it operates, how players think, what they are capable and incapable during crisis situation. You can blame the curator as much you like but it was the strategic advantage at the final which let Chandi and Co. bypass the shabby fielding and fragile batting of Mash and his troops although we were better in bowling. Our bowlers are better than theirs and still we could not manage to chase down 222.
Barring Mustafizur's debut, we are mostly below par in terms of work ethics. Management and leadership is nonexistent in every sector and BCB no exception. All we do is maintain hierarchical social status while do not really work on skill development and consistent improvement. While there is a set regular practice tasks, I doubt there is any effort to do things more precisely. Hardly any research on how other teams In and around cricket world doing things differently. If there was that effort, we would have seen the fruit of it already. Bowlers with multiple variations of spin bowling, carom ball spinners, quality medium pacers with accuracy in swinging in and out, proper control in deliveries, confident in field placing with exact knowledge of the game and opponent, adjusting based on pitch condition, pace all rounders, very adept wicket keepers and ground fielders, batsmen who can graft as anchor and those who can accelerate run with proper understanding, specialists in finding gap for 1 & 2's, batsmen with enough stamina to carry on for 45+ overs - we expect such, as we see other teams doing that. Those expectations were from day one from us who grew up watching top class cricket long before BD earned the Test status.

There is no 5-year or 10-year plan by BCB. So it is running like a radarless ship full of extra money only for the officials to gobble. If you are true fan you would agree that you expected those changes and expected your team to stick with those achievements. It has been too long and we should have reached that point where we could at least have 70-80% of the cricketing culture and team strength as such top cricketing nations. But alas we are stuck in a vicious circle of producing flash in the pan my way or highway cricketers. Where is that transition to a proper keeper. Where is that management which can empathize with the players while also can discipline them when necessary. Where is that system when a player can justify their performance, not only that their inattentive drop catches or chronic keeping disaster or rash idiotic shot selection in crunch moments.

Hathuri knew all of this. So with all inexperience and mediocrity of his players he was confident that we have not built up that culture, we do not know how to hold the fort during crisis, we were not conditioned with such situations to handle, we DO NOT learn from our mistakes. But Srilanka has established that culture already. So even without enough talent and skill they still have that inner strength and confidence that trickles down from that golden jar of doing things right. It is not because they won so many ICC tourneys, actually this is the other way around.

So while I congratulate Haturi I also feel sorry for myself that I had to write such a long post. This defeatist mindset is a cultural problem which needs a guidance from top to bottom, a reorganized approach to really pinpoint the problem and no matter what to take necessary measures. Do not let a problem to linger through the process too long that everybody even fans become accustomed to it. Oh we have to have a SLA, we need a slow sluggish wicket to win. This dependency is a problem. A cultural affliction deeply hinged inside our mindset - player, official alike. There are few such small issues. We all know them. May be if we list them in total it will be 10 or less such things which every other cricketing nations do differently.

So experience is just time spent, when you do not really fix and keep doing the same mistake. Then your dugout turns 50 years old one day while it keeps acting like a 5 year old kid while holding onto a catch, making the finishing run or slashing a full toss from a debutant.

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Old January 27, 2018, 09:54 PM
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Few points for people conflating issues

1. Hathuru resigned from the team. He was not fired by Papon and there were no plans to fire him by BCB. If they had a plan they would have had a replacement lined up. Everyone wants to coach their own country and so Heath Streak left and so did Hathuru.

2. Nobody here denied Hathuru's contribution to the team. The difference of opinion was about the future ahead under hathuru. Seniors are carrying this team since 2015 WC and young players are on a rapid decline. The coach has to develop the new generation just like Shakib Tamim developed under previous coaches. This was not happening.

3. Under Hathuru we would have fielded pretty much the same team and the performers would have been the same 4 people with the bat. Who thinks Soumya would have set the world alight under Hathuru or Shabbir? These guys cant even score 50s over the past year. People can argue anamul and nasir would have never got in under Hathuru but this is the same guy that had Tanbir Haider and Hom in the team. So the whole genius selector and tactitian doesnt hold water when u see the tactical choices made in various series after winning the toss. There was even a point where Mushfiq tried to justify Soumya as a pace option not too long ago! Nasir and Anamul deserved their chances because they scored runs in FC cricket. We cannot continue cherry picking players from net sessions and completely undermine our local players in the league.

4. All the expert that took vacation while we were winning by bonus points and are now back with a vengeance kindly understand that we choked plenty of time under Hathuru just like we did last night. Our senior players, no matter how well they play, are burdened by the minnow mentality and cannot handle QF,Semis and Finals. The team needed the new generation of players to take the initiative and play fearless cricket just like Tamim and Shakib as youngsters did in 2007, when we beat india.
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Old January 27, 2018, 11:02 PM
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In Hathura first training session with SL, he banned headphones/music.
He said, he wanted the players to focus and concentrate in training.

BUT

I saw pictures of our coach Khaled Mahmud observing mashrafe bowling in the nets... BUT at the same time talking on the phone

Just a simple difference in professionalism.

Hathura had too many other qualities, but professionalism stood out for me.

This is called bengali esh-tyle.
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Old January 28, 2018, 02:00 AM
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I'm sure SL will be a strong force in world cricket now.
Yep. I'm pretty sure they'll do well next WC.

Hard to understand those who criticized/criticize him or take them seriously.

He might have left at the right time, there was too much bickering going on from all angles, but doesn't change the fact that he's the best coach we ever had who changed the mentality of the team, made us a strong team at home, and spotted a few good talents. Even made us a decent test side at home. Only negative was some of the selections in the end.
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Old January 28, 2018, 02:38 AM
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forgot the fact that he also made our players fitter (not just the regular faces in the NT) which was huge, and we'll continue to benefit from that change in mentality re fitness.
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Old January 28, 2018, 03:25 AM
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I agree that Haturi brought change in mentality and fitness. However, we failed in the skillset aspect under Haturisinghe, and also poor selection policy. The former would have been solved if BCB would actually invest in a proper Batting coach and not a part time consultant. The latter, well we have jodhu modhus like Mr Nannu who ropes in someone like Nayeem Hasan when we should instead be grooming Shanto, Saif and perhaps Afif who have domestic experience.

Our flaws are many, Haturisinghe just solved a few key components - Fitness and not giving up. He helped us win some matches.

My only concern is, although Haturi's reign seemed fruitful, we didn't produce quality batsman in the timeperiod. While I agree we need a coach like haturi who will whip the players, we also need to properly groom young cricketers.

We made Shanto debut in NZ but after that he performed well in our domestics and A team matches but never got picked later on! We could have tried Mini for ODIs. We will also see someone deserving like Anamul not in the T20I side because a 15 averaging Mushy will otherwise cry.

I personally feel, Haturi did the right thing. He had already given everything he could give. He instilled into the boys the importance of fitness, mindset, and positive approach. Now he feels he doesnt have anything extra to add
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Old January 28, 2018, 03:49 AM
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I saw pictures of our coach Khaled Mahmud observing mashrafe bowling in the nets... BUT at the same time talking on the phone

Just a simple difference in professionalism.
I caught Mahmud and a couple of more players smoking in the parking lot before a practise match in the uk which they lost to Derby and they played in that match. I know there might be no direct link with the result in the match with smoking as they sucked but surely before a game does a player smoke?

Mahmud or any other Bangladeshi coach will not make players more professional as our society does not understand the real meaning of it and if they do will be reluctant to adopt it which is probably why players have problem with forgein coaches!
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Old January 28, 2018, 03:53 AM
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We need jamie siddons back, not as a head coach but as a batting consultant. Shakib, Tamim, Mushy etc are all his product. May be sabbir nasir etc can benefit from him

than again zunaid siddique, ashraful etc was also handled by siddons. what can siddons do if you yourself dont improve
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Old January 28, 2018, 04:48 AM
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We need jamie siddons back, not as a head coach but as a batting consultant. Shakib, Tamim, Mushy etc are all his product. May be sabbir nasir etc can benefit from him

than again zunaid siddique, ashraful etc was also handled by siddons. what can siddons do if you yourself dont improve
Ashraful was technically correct and so much better than Nasir or Sabbir

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Old January 28, 2018, 05:33 AM
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Ashraful was technically correct and so much better than Nasir or Sabbir

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I agree. Ash just had habbit of brainfarts when looked so good and set. Mental issue he had not technical.

When there’s life, theres chance/hope. Ashraful can come back, provided he does well consistently at domestic and BPL.
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