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Old July 31, 2018, 01:25 PM
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haha miracle! no one is expecting miracle from this sorry bunch. forget about century, or even a half century, they can't even score 30 odd runs.
They can't even score 1 of 1 ... 30? Man don't give our young cubs a heart attack!
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@ fazal mamu,

eto kotha pechabo nah. granted, bcb management of these players could have been better.

but simply asking -- do you think these players received enough chances to showcase their skills? and why even after few years, they have not developed their game and earned their spots?

right now spots aren't earned. anamul comes in coz soumya is in bad form. now litton will coz anamul flopped.

*discussion doesn't include new raw players like afif, zakir, maruf, rony etc.
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Old July 31, 2018, 04:50 PM
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Why would a fan with any common sense would expect 30 odd runs from these three young players when it was obvious for most of the fans to stick with Anamul and Sabbir? Both of them were no inform and still management and captain insist sticking with them for the whole ODI series.

Management set Mossadek for failure by setting up as a slog batman. He is not. And by the time he comes (at the end), why someone should expect him to score 30+ runs? By the time he comes, there is few overs left.

To me among the young players only Anamul and Sabbir failed.... not the whole available young players that we have in our arsenal.

btw SS came he had success, he failed and then he was dropped. Most likely he will be back (when he is in form), that's normal... that's how young players develops and that's how young players are filtered out and only the gem stays.

Again besides other problems (not enough team-a games), decision makers are selecting wrong young players and sticking with some of them for too long while ignoring some other young players.

Why young players like Afif, Zakir, Arif (not young) was suddenly picked up and dropped and ignored while Sabbir continue to get chances? How come Abu Hider dont get much chance even he showed some promise few years back?



And why Anamul got 3 chances while Litton got none? Anamul was not ready, actulally instead of doing favor to Anamul, Majrafee pretty much screwed him up....say bye bye to Anamul for next 2 years.


Again we are giving too many chances to the wrong young players while ignoring the deserving one. Young talent doesn't grow in trees, and most of them will not flourish without proper care.... you need to nurture them, you need to give them chance and guide them and teach them and bring them when they are ready to make mistake and learn and grow, if they don't grow, you drop them and work in the background with them with some plan how to address the issues.

Not all the young players will survive, that's perfectly ok. You drop young player after giving enough chance, that's also ok. But dont bring a young player (Afif, Zakir) play him just one game and just forget about him. That do not do any justice to that player.
Bijoy was not inform?
He was scoring hundreds in domestic hence the selectors thought this is the right time, he failed to convert his domestic form into international.
And how did Mash screw Anamul up ? Mash showed faith in him ,but he failed to grab this opportunity and once again proved that he is selfish.

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Old July 31, 2018, 05:50 PM
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When Anamul didn't get enough chance: BCBs fault for ignoring him
When Anamul got enough chance: BCB didn't drop him earlier.

Our team culture is reflected in our fans too. We love blaming someone else for every failure. Why cant we just accept the fact that it's none other then Anamul Haque Bijoy who is at fault here? Same goes for every other player! Bijoy played his normal spot, Shabbir has played his normal spot for a long time. When he was switched up the order and failed, he wasn't dropped for that.. rather he was pushed down to his comfort spot and he still failed. Soumya played his usual spot. So I don't get which junior player actually played a role they were not meant to? If anything.. Shakib is playing a top order role which wasn't meant to, Tamim is playing an anchor role which wasn't his speciality, Riyad has transformed into a power hitter which wasn't his natural game, Mushy has played according to the situation to accomodate the situation...

All the seniors have changed the game to accomodate the team. The juniors on the other hand despite getting protected by the seniors every effing time still couldn't secure a bare minimum supporting role
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When Anamul didn't get enough chance: BCBs fault for ignoring him
When Anamul got enough chance: BCB didn't drop him earlier.

Our team culture is reflected in our fans too. We love blaming someone else for every failure. Why cant we just accept the fact that it's none other then Anamul Haque Bijoy who is at fault here? Same goes for every other player! Bijoy played his normal spot, Shabbir has played his normal spot for a long time. When he was switched up the order and failed, he wasn't dropped for that.. rather he was pushed down to his comfort spot and he still failed. Soumya played his usual spot. So I don't get which junior player actually played a role they were not meant to? If anything.. Shakib is playing a top order role which wasn't meant to, Tamim is playing an anchor role which wasn't his speciality, Riyad has transformed into a power hitter which wasn't his natural game, Mushy has played according to the situation to accomodate the situation...

All the seniors have changed the game to accomodate the team. The juniors on the other hand despite getting protected by the seniors every effing time still couldn't secure a bare minimum supporting role
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@ fazal mamu,

eto kotha pechabo nah. granted, bcb management of these players could have been better.

but simply asking -- do you think these players received enough chances to showcase their skills? and why even after few years, they have not developed their game and earned their spots?

right now spots aren't earned. anamul comes in coz soumya is in bad form. now litton will coz anamul flopped.

*discussion doesn't include new raw players like afif, zakir, maruf, rony etc.

Good Idea, I also try to stick with the point:




>> do you think these players received enough chances to showcase their skills?


Some of them got enough chance some of them didn't. For each player its different.
Who got enough chance recently? Sabbir and SS (before he was dropped) for example. Anamul's case is different. He got enough time few years back, but he came back without addressing his issues. Litton and Miraz: work in progress. I see some improvements and want to see more of them.





>> and why even after few years, they have not developed their game and earned their spots?
Its not realistic to expect all of them will earn their spot. Some will stick some will fade. When a young player is dropped for performance/technical reason no point to bring them back unless they(BCB) sees that they address the issue. Just recycling them back and hoping for miracle is not going to work. Among young players, We need to stick with Litton/Miraz/Opu for now bring some new players who are ready (Afif/Zakir/Arif/ etc)




>> right now spots aren't earned. anamul comes in coz soumya is in bad form.


Yes, that's what I am also saying... we (BCB) are sticking with some wrong young players and rewarding them for non performance (Sabbir, Anamul, SS...) that's the problem. While we are not gining some other new players enough chance before sacking them.




>> *discussion doesn't include new raw players like afif, zakir, maruf, rony


I disagree. When you talk about young players and exposure, these players also includes in the discussion.... that is we are recycling some young players Nasir/Sakib/Anamul/SS for so long while we (BCB) brought afif, zakir, rony in the nation team but didnt gave them enough chance to show their capability.




Musfiq didnt grew in one days... it took years for him to develop. What you\ should see in a young player is is he learning and growing, is he given enough chance, etc.
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Bijoy was not inform?
He was scoring hundreds in domestic hence the selectors thought this is the right time, he failed to convert his domestic form into international.
And how did Mash screw Anamul up ? Mash showed faith in him ,but he failed to grab this opportunity and once again proved that he is selfish.
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Domestic performance doesn't always translate to international game, specially in away (non sub continet pitch). Anamul is not out of form, but has some technical short comming that is exposed. Even a lamen fans can see that when he plays. Why BCB cannot recognize that? Whats the point bringimng him back if he haven't addressed it?


How did Mash screwed Anamul's career? Have you seen how he played? How anybody in his right mind thought giving him 3 lottery chance will bring different result? Now do you know what is going to happen? Regardless how he performs next two years, how he address his issues, he will be vanished from the national team for next 2 years. Yes its Anamul's fault for not taking these opportunities, but there should be some Adults here makeing some adult decision and say enough is enough...they see Anamul practice every day... how come they not see that he is NOT ready yet?




Anamul's and Sabbir's failure is their own individual faults, no point to give a bad rapport to all young players.
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Domestic performance doesn't always translate to international game, specially in away (non sub continet pitch). Anamul is not out of form, but has some technical short comming that is exposed. Even a lamen fans can see that when he plays. Why BCB cannot recognize that? Whats the point bringimng him back if he haven't addressed it?


How did Mash screwed Anamul's career? Have you seen how he played? How anybody in his right mind thought giving him 3 lottery chance will bring different result? Now do you know what is going to happen? Regardless how he performs next two years, how he address his issues, he will be vanished from the national team for next 2 years. Yes its Anamul's fault for not taking these opportunities, but there should be some Adults here makeing some adult decision and say enough is enough...they see Anamul practice every day... how come they not see that he is NOT ready yet?




Anamul's and Sabbir's failure is their own individual faults, no point to give a bad rapport to all young players.
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Among the young players, I am willing to persist with Mehidy, Mosaddek, Nazmul Opu, and Liton. Mosaddek should be made to bat at 4. Our line up should look like this:

TIK, Liton, Shak, Mosa, Mushy, Riyad, Mash, Mehidy, Nazmul, Rubel, Fiz

I am not willing to persist anymore with the following three:

SS and Anamul: Technical issue they are not working out plus on crease they show Ash syndrome - ambivalent when it comes to playing shots

Shabbir: 50+ ODIs is more than enough to prove your worth and he has failed.
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7 is too high for mash to bat in ODIs, I’d like to see shanto in there but mosa I guess hasn’t been given a proper chance so unless you put mushy and riyad at 6/7 would be hard to fit both shanto and mosa in the same xi. In saying that mushy and riyad are the best finishers in ODIs so maybe they should be at 6/7.
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7 is too high for mash to bat in ODIs, I’d like to see shanto in there but mosa I guess hasn’t been given a proper chance so unless you put mushy and riyad at 6/7 would be hard to fit both shanto and mosa in the same xi. In saying that mushy and riyad are the best finishers in ODIs so maybe they should be at 6/7.
both of them should be 6/7. It's guaranteed that someone will go for cheap, so we are really looking at 5/6 realistically.

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both of them should be 6/7. It's guaranteed that someone will go for cheap, so we are really looking at 5/6 realistically.

Tamim
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Yeah not bad, although shakib at 3 has been working so questioning whether he should be moved from there yet, but obviously if we are trying to fit shanto and mosa then it’s prob best to move him back down the order.
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Good Idea, I also try to stick with the point:




>> do you think these players received enough chances to showcase their skills?


Some of them got enough chance some of them didn't. For each player its different.
Who got enough chance recently? Sabbir and SS (before he was dropped) for example. Anamul's case is different. He got enough time few years back, but he came back without addressing his issues. Litton and Miraz: work in progress. I see some improvements and want to see more of them.





>> and why even after few years, they have not developed their game and earned their spots?
Its not realistic to expect all of them will earn their spot. Some will stick some will fade. When a young player is dropped for performance/technical reason no point to bring them back unless they(BCB) sees that they address the issue. Just recycling them back and hoping for miracle is not going to work. Among young players, We need to stick with Litton/Miraz/Opu for now bring some new players who are ready (Afif/Zakir/Arif/ etc)




>> right now spots aren't earned. anamul comes in coz soumya is in bad form.


Yes, that's what I am also saying... we (BCB) are sticking with some wrong young players and rewarding them for non performance (Sabbir, Anamul, SS...) that's the problem. While we are not gining some other new players enough chance before sacking them.




>> *discussion doesn't include new raw players like afif, zakir, maruf, rony


I disagree. When you talk about young players and exposure, these players also includes in the discussion.... that is we are recycling some young players Nasir/Sakib/Anamul/SS for so long while we (BCB) brought afif, zakir, rony in the nation team but didnt gave them enough chance to show their capability.




Musfiq didnt grew in one days... it took years for him to develop. What you\ should see in a young player is is he learning and growing, is he given enough chance, etc.
Not all young players are same.

but we have clearly failed with sabbir/anamul/SS/mominul(?). They had ample opportunities and failed to capitalize on that. Now we moved on the next batch of litton/miraz/mosaddek. the early signs are not promising. then you have the likes of shanto/afif/zakir/rony which are yet to be tested.

all I am saying is that we have been given them lots of chances but none are delivering consistently. I don't see any of these players taking our performance to the next level and eventually to some glories or trophies.

final ques - tamim/shakib/mushy took our cricket to the next level in comparison to the seniors of their time such as haba/golla/ash etc. do you think any of these young players will be able to push it further than the current seniors did or are we going to regress?
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I think our players play the least amount of first class/list A matches before they debut compared to players of other nations. Would be nice if someone can pull those numbers.

In general most of our players debut very raw, never seem to be finished product.
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Why it seems that anamul and soumya hasn't learn anything and their technic issues has remain unchanged. why so arrogant to accept your lackings?
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Why it seems that anamul and soumya hasn't learn anything and their technic issues has remain unchanged. why so arrogant to accept your lackings?
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