facebook Twitter RSS Feed YouTube StumbleUpon

Home | Forum | Chat | Tours | Articles | Pictures | News | Tools | History | Tourism | Search

 
 


Go Back   BanglaCricket Forum > Cricket > Cricket

Cricket Join fellow Tigers fans to discuss all things Cricket

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #26  
Old March 9, 2006, 12:56 PM
pagol-chagol's Avatar
pagol-chagol pagol-chagol is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: September 19, 2003
Location: Web
Favorite Player: Bossman, Imran Khan, Viv
Posts: 4,074

Rasel + Shahadat vs Taposh + Nazmul

Whats the difference.

Rasel is by far the smartest.
Rasel has by far the best control.
Shahadat has by far the best speed.
Taposh has by far the most experience.
Taposh and Nazmul lack raw talent which they can't cover up with control.

I am sure people get excited about beating both Zimbabwue and India, but the magnitude makes the difference.

Rasel+Shahadat has tons more potential than Taposh + Nazmul.
Reply With Quote

  #27  
Old March 9, 2006, 01:01 PM
fishyguy fishyguy is offline
ODI Cricketer
 
Join Date: February 21, 2006
Posts: 798

I guess I never saw Tapash and Nazmul when they were apparently "in form" but I've seen them In England and I thought they were terrible and once again in the ODIs here they were the main reasons we let our stranglehold lose on Lanka.

But I do think that anyone who has seen Shahadat, Rasel and Namul, Baisya will tell you that Shahadat ,Rasel have much more potential than Nazmul, Basya.

I personally think Nazmul, Baisya are complete rubbish and I hope we never see them again but thats my opinion.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old March 9, 2006, 01:04 PM
shovon13 shovon13 is offline
Test Cricketer
 
Join Date: January 27, 2004
Location: Riverside, CA
Favorite Player: Mustafizur Rahman
Posts: 1,551

besides all the hype, if we look at it from a logical perspective - our pace attack will indeed be pretty impressive for years to come. masri, of course, is already of world class calibre. in fact he should have already been one of the top 20 bowlers in the world (i firmly believe this) had it not been for injuries and bad luck in some cases.

shahadat has pace, and the aggressive nature to go with it. those are key components for a pace bowler to have. control, the art of swing, strategical bowling - all of this can be taught, but not pace and aggression. he has drawn praises from the likes of wasim akram and ravi shastri. he also has age on his side. but the verdict is not yet out on him, as ahmed_b pointed out. he still needs a few more series to reach the level of trust that masri has gained from us.

while nazmul was sharp, he lacked the incisiveness of a pace bowler. he wasn't probing enough, not deceiving enough. and he was too young. i'm sure nazmul will get his act together, and will play for our odi team again. i believe rasel is a bit ahead of nazmul in those categories. with some added pace, he can indeed be very dangerous with his control. both nazmul and rasel are very very young. therefore it would be wise for us to let these kids grow.

we have another very promising young bowler in shafaq waiting in the wings. the guy is tall as hell, and is already putting up some promising performances in the ncl. but once again, he's too young. my hope for the future grows out of the tenderness of our team. age matters. simply from a physical perspective, as these guys will get older they will put on some more muscle. in rasel's case, that may be all he needs.

Edited on, March 9, 2006, 6:19 PM GMT, by shovon13.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old March 9, 2006, 01:11 PM
pagol-chagol's Avatar
pagol-chagol pagol-chagol is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: September 19, 2003
Location: Web
Favorite Player: Bossman, Imran Khan, Viv
Posts: 4,074

Quote:
Originally posted by shovon13
...as these guys will get older they will put on some more muscle. in rasel's case, that may be all he needs.
I hope Rasel learns to reverse swing.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old March 9, 2006, 01:17 PM
Ahmed_B's Avatar
Ahmed_B Ahmed_B is offline
BanglaCricket Staff
 
Join Date: February 3, 2004
Posts: 5,578

Quote:
Originally posted by fishyguy
I guess I never saw Tapash and Nazmul when they were apparently "in form"......

....I personally think Nazmul, Baisya are complete rubbish and I hope we never see them again but thats my opinion.
For one or two series.. Nazmul was practically unplayable and BD fans were pretty excited about him at that time... and the 'rubbish' thing that you mentioned, is their current impression about these two. No wonder... people's verdict change so fast!

Quote:
Originally posted by pagol-chagol
Rasel+Shahadat has tons more potential than Taposh + Nazmul.
Maybe....
But it's consistancy in series to series that really matters. They are in high form at the moment. But it's useless to declare them as the coming pace-trio for the next few world-cups untill they pass the test of time.
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old March 9, 2006, 01:22 PM
fishyguy fishyguy is offline
ODI Cricketer
 
Join Date: February 21, 2006
Posts: 798

Ahmed_B thats very true.

I think by the end of this year we will know hopefully if Rasel and Shahadat are the real deal.

I'm more worried about Shahadat thatn I am about Rasel though.

My worries concerning Rasel:

Theres a good chance that he will have injury problems.

He may lose his way if he becomes complacent which is why the senior players and coaches have to take good care of him and mold him.

Also the obvious lack of form problem.

Lets see what happens

I think a lot of our doubts and hopes will be answered after the Australia tour.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old March 9, 2006, 01:27 PM
pagol-chagol's Avatar
pagol-chagol pagol-chagol is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: September 19, 2003
Location: Web
Favorite Player: Bossman, Imran Khan, Viv
Posts: 4,074

Ahmed _b,

Agree with the time testing.

One thing that worries me, which I got from the pacer Manjurul interview, is that once a player is discarded he gets no guidance.

We need to keep nurturing about 10 pacers like a national player rather than 3 or 4.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old March 9, 2006, 02:23 PM
al Furqaan's Avatar
al Furqaan al Furqaan is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: February 18, 2004
Location: New York City
Favorite Player: Mominul, Nasir, Taskin
Posts: 24,111

Quote:
Originally posted by IanW


It's a triangle attack - Shahadat for pace and aggression, Rasel for nagging line and length and swing, and Masrafee for overall quality.

Ian Whitchurch
spot on
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old March 9, 2006, 02:47 PM
nayan nayan is offline
Street Cricketer
 
Join Date: March 1, 2006
Location: ny
Posts: 47

Quote:
Originally posted by IanW
Pagol-chagol,

Once Kaspa, Gillespie and McGrath retire, it's looking like the direct comparison is

Lee/Bracken/Tait vs

Masrafee/Shahadat/Rasel ...

doesnt look too bad for the Tigers does it ?

Ian Whitchurch
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old March 9, 2006, 02:48 PM
nayan nayan is offline
Street Cricketer
 
Join Date: March 1, 2006
Location: ny
Posts: 47

cant blive u wrote that!lol
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old March 9, 2006, 02:53 PM
pagol-chagol's Avatar
pagol-chagol pagol-chagol is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: September 19, 2003
Location: Web
Favorite Player: Bossman, Imran Khan, Viv
Posts: 4,074

Quote:
Originally posted by nayan
cant blive u wrote that!lol
If I didn't know IanW, I would have said he was sarcastic.

Since I know him I am 50% sure he's sarcastic.
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old March 9, 2006, 03:18 PM
tanvir_nus's Avatar
tanvir_nus tanvir_nus is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: April 17, 2005
Location: the heart of the tiger
Favorite Player: Taskin Ahmed - TazKing
Posts: 2,783

I agree with a lot of things that is written about shadhat here. To me this guy has a lot of potential, I know he will shine in future, he is fast, he is aggressive, he has the stamina and he has the big hitting capability. To me fast balling is not about swing but about being aggressive and domination. Yes, there has been a lot of swingers who have been very successful, matthew hoggard now rules in the top 10 ICC ODI bowling list, but one thing that stands common in most of the great fast bowlers is that they are simply huge built and aggressive. I remember Richard Hille in an interview where it was shown that he went to bat with an aluminium bat and the umpire after some time said that you can't bat with that, and he just ran to the end of the boundary and threw the bat from far outside the boundary and walked inside the dressing room to get a new one.

Rasel, however, has great swing and control, I would find him a useful bowler in long spells and controlling the runrate but not for making breakthroughs. But he is not a diamond in the dust, and you can find literally thousands like him, . Lets not get jumpy about him, he is very raw, so is shadat, but there is a lot of difference. I know it's a risky judgement . But I wanna say my opinion on Rasel is that Rasel does not have the potential to play in the "LONG"run. How he will pair up with Sahadat, and Mashrafee only time will tell. But I don't really see that in near future, unless something forces Rafique to retire.

Now the only question on my mind is that, when will he start fading or can he build up and transform himself physically before the next generation of talented swingers and speedstars from u-19 and NCL teams penetrate into the national team. Yes, I am excited about the future, I know there is another Mashrafee out there, and hopefully even better than him.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old March 9, 2006, 06:09 PM
Ajfar's Avatar
Ajfar Ajfar is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: February 27, 2006
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 17,836

someone tell me......what happened to talha jubaer????
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old March 9, 2006, 06:29 PM
gravitY gravitY is offline
ODI Cricketer
 
Join Date: April 4, 2004
Location: Toronto, Canada
Favorite Player: Ashrafooooooool
Posts: 624

Quote:
Originally posted by bangladesh_sy
someone tell me......what happened to talha jubaer????
gone, i think, with wind!!

actually .. i dunno.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old March 9, 2006, 06:58 PM
ammark's Avatar
ammark ammark is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: May 17, 2005
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 6,475

Judging from day 2, 2nd test:

I'm impressed by rajib's game. I think he's improving very quickly. True he got hit abt by jayawardene a bit, but he has some genuine aggression, and he was persistently trying to bowl the right line and length. Bashar's field placements disappoint me all the time, [but frankly this is just my opinion, and I'm no one to judge] which I thought let him down sometimes. Honestly I cant wait for BD's next tour to England just to see our pacers. Its nice to see 5 pacers contending for the team.
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old March 10, 2006, 05:41 PM
IanW IanW is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: May 23, 2004
Posts: 2,832

I'm not being sarcastic. I'm dead serious about the comparison between Bangladesh's young fast bowling trio and Australia's probable pace attack.

Masrafee's curse is that he has been a strike bowler used as a stock bowler - he's a racehorse, but he was used to drag a cart, because someone had to and the others just weren't up to it.

And because he was used too much, he got hurt.

Now, there's Rasel, who can keep an end tight and be used as a stock bowler bowling 8-10 over spells with Rafique at the other end, and maybe Aftab or Ash tossing in a couple of short spells per innings as well.

Thus, Shahadat and Masrafee can now be used the way they should be used - as strike bowlers, bowling short 5-7 over spells in which they can go all out to take wickets.

Ian Whitchurch

Edited on, March 10, 2006, 10:50 PM GMT, by IanW.
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old March 10, 2006, 05:49 PM
Mr-khan's Avatar
Mr-khan Mr-khan is offline
Test Cricketer
 
Join Date: September 18, 2004
Location: Canada, toronto
Posts: 1,833

IanW what is Shahadat hossain's current speed?
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old March 10, 2006, 05:57 PM
Bat-PadTogether Bat-PadTogether is offline
ODI Cricketer
 
Join Date: December 30, 2004
Posts: 623

Dont Forget Vaskoroni from Comilla!
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old March 10, 2006, 06:00 PM
Fazal's Avatar
Fazal Fazal is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: September 16, 2004
Posts: 18,172

Quote:
Originally posted by bangladesh_sy
someone tell me......what happened to talha jubaer????
I think nothing new worthy happened to talha jubaer. Thats why you don't hear anything about him.
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old March 10, 2006, 06:53 PM
shamster shamster is offline
ODI Cricketer
 
Join Date: February 9, 2006
Posts: 913

Quote:
Originally posted by gravitY
Quote:
Originally posted by bangladesh_sy
someone tell me......what happened to talha jubaer????
gone, i think, with wind!!

actually .. i dunno.
Shame really and also Shafaq Al Jaber
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old March 11, 2006, 08:23 AM
Ahmed_B's Avatar
Ahmed_B Ahmed_B is offline
BanglaCricket Staff
 
Join Date: February 3, 2004
Posts: 5,578

Quote:
Originally posted by IanW
Masrafee's curse is that he has been a strike bowler used as a stock bowler - he's a racehorse, but he was used to drag a cart, because someone had to and the others just weren't up to it...
What a way to say the harsh truth!!
You rock man!!
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old March 12, 2006, 01:03 PM
pagol-chagol's Avatar
pagol-chagol pagol-chagol is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: September 19, 2003
Location: Web
Favorite Player: Bossman, Imran Khan, Viv
Posts: 4,074

Quote:
Originally posted by Ahmed_B
Quote:
Originally posted by IanW
Masrafee's curse is that he has been a strike bowler used as a stock bowler - he's a racehorse, but he was used to drag a cart, because someone had to and the others just weren't up to it...
What a way to say the harsh truth!!
You rock man!!
This is a very very important issue, but I dont recall a thread about this ever. I'll start a thread on this.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:36 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
BanglaCricket.com
 

About Us | Contact Us | Privacy Policy | Partner Sites | Useful Links | Banners |

© BanglaCricket