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View Poll Results: Do you want to see Dave Whatmore continue to coach Bangladesh Cricket Team?
Yes 40 63.49%
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Old May 1, 2006, 12:53 PM
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aaah... you should be given the position of a top-ranked BD politician, who has the ability to accuse people without any guilt or solid information!!

What exactly makes you believe that DAV has the ultimate authority to hire or reject batting/bowling sub-coaches coaches for BD team? Or is it just a wild shot that you are pleased to go with?

Are you aware that it is a crime to come up with annoying rumors when you are talking in public? I really wonder!
Well for one thing, DW said it himself several times answering to the press that he does not like the idea of recruiting specialist full-time Batting/Bowling coaches. There were talks of recruiting specialist full-time Batting/Bowling coaches and DW stood against that. As far as I know, his contract with BCB allows him the ultimate authority for such decisions.

DW definitely did a lot for BD Cricket team, nobody is denying that, but if he is not ready to recruit at least a full time specialist batting coach, while he is failing to make our batsmen's technique correct, I think we are better off with him. Someone was mentioning we need a bowling coach more than a batting coach ?? I wonder on what basis s/he amde this comment.

However, with WC '07 just round the corner, maybe we can wait till it is over.
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Old May 1, 2006, 12:57 PM
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Well, the thread title asks you whether you want DW to discontinue, but the question top at the poll is whether you want him to continue. So, I guess some people got confused, or did not read the poll question, and voted NO (other way to say- they don't want DW to discontinue).
I noticed this msitake immidiately after making the post but could not rectify it as the forum rules does not allow editing the thread title / poll question.
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Old May 1, 2006, 01:28 PM
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Well for one thing, DW said it himself several times answering to the press that he does not like the idea of recruiting specialist full-time Batting/Bowling coaches. There were talks of recruiting specialist full-time Batting/Bowling coaches and DW stood against that. As far as I know, his contract with BCB allows him the ultimate authority for such decisions.
Please provide sources about the following:
1) In which press conference did Dav mention about not supporting the idea of specialist coaches?
2) In which newspaper/media was the news about it published and when?
3) What is the source of your knowledge about BCB's contract with Dav? Specially the part where it says he has ultimate authority on coaching selections?

Because this is a big allegation you are putting on Dav... it demands complete clarifications. So please take the pain to find the sources and mention them here. That would be very helpful.

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Old May 1, 2006, 03:19 PM
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Let him continue as long as Dave wants.He is still the best coach Bd has ever had.The days are not far when Dave himself will quit! He is not happy with the performance of our batsmen!Its just same old story.
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Old May 1, 2006, 03:23 PM
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Maybe, and i must add maybe, BD team needs a fresh look, a fresh perspective and someone with new idea to take it from here.

Nothing against Dav Whatmore but i am all for a coach change. Dav has done what he could and i don't see him implementing any new thoughts/ideas.
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Old May 1, 2006, 03:35 PM
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not with less than a yr to wc.when things r going smooth..no need.let him continue.
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Old May 1, 2006, 03:40 PM
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Actually, in past, Whatmore has used specialist coaches quite often. He brought Owen Mattua quite a few time in 2004; he brought Mike Young and Trevor Chappel for fielding; he asked Sarwar Imran and Prince to help our bowlers before Stuart K joined the camp. Also, he whole heartedly supported the board when they were trying to hire Andy Roberts as our bowling coach.

I don't think techniques of our current crop of batsmen that is hurting our team, the lack of application seems to be the main problem here. Well, you can always argue that DW's soft touch is not working here, but that's a whole different issue.
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Old May 1, 2006, 08:09 PM
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Yes, but definitely not after WC 2007.
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those who are saying no. tell names whos gonna repalce him
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I don't think techniques of our current crop of batsmen that is hurting our team, the lack of application seems to be the main problem here. Well, you can always argue that DW's soft touch is not working here, but that's a whole different issue.
Exactly how many of our Batsmen have correct batting technique?? Could you mention some of thier names please?
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Exactly how many of our Batsmen have correct batting technique?? Could you mention some of thier names please?
Well Zakirc, Dav's contribution is at peak already ...Each series show us gradual improvement ... if you look at our team's recent performance, it's easy to understand that the team's improvement graph is going uphill at this moment ... Mush of the appreciation go to Dav in that context, and I guess his discontunuation may create a kind a inconfidence among the players.
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But more vital question is the opposite of Zakirc ... I am rather worried about how long Dav Whatmore will continue tolerating these irresponsibilities of our batsmen ... May be he is taking a poll inside himself whether to continue with BD team or not.
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Old May 2, 2006, 02:23 AM
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Exactly how many of our Batsmen have correct batting technique?? Could you mention some of thier names please?
Well, I know very little about the stuff you are talking about, so why don't you enlighten me which of our batsmen (other than JO) lost his wicket during Australia series because of his glaring technical faults?

What I have seen with my layman's understanding, our batsmen got out because of-

1) being fooled by a world class bowler. Such cases were rare, and in most cases the full credit goes to the bowler, nothing much to hold against the batsman.

2) lapse of concentration.

3) poor shot selection.

4) plain stupidity.

For the last three cases, a coach can do very little more than give the batsman a good butt kicking. As I said in my previous post, I too am wondering why DW is not doing that.
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Well, the thread title asks you whether you want DW to discontinue, but the question top at the poll is whether you want him to continue. So, I guess some people got confused, or did not read the poll question, and voted NO (other way to say- they don't want DW to discontinue).
I am caught with the same mistake.

I think we are too emotional, after one or two bad series we want the the head of coach, selectors, players who have earned win for Bangladesh.... and so on.

Don't be so impassionate. International cricket is not like ' a pice of cake' waiting to be taken. Its hard, damn hard. We will have good days and definitely some bad days. We had a wonderful Kenya series, we headed the series with a record of 1-6 and we managed to win all the matches and that showed clear improvement of Bangladesh. We have done pretty well in the test series (Gillespie 200* is the only dark spot) and we ended with a very bad ODI series. So what??? Teams like Pakistan, South Africa or India also struggle very often at International level.

India played like a club team in New Zealand and I recall many Newspapers in New Zealand said that Bangladesh is better than India while playing in Newzealand. Pakistan wes bundled out for 54 and 56 in two successive innings against Australia, WI managed only two win (pior to ZIM series) out of 23 ODI's. I don't think cricket fans are desperate there to see their coach, selectors or players are axed.

These bunch of players, current selectors, and definitely Dav brought the ultimate glory of Bangladesh cricket. It's only cricket which shows Bangladesh in a positive frame in most part of the world. Apart from Cricket we really have nothing to be proud of. I am definitely sure the inner bleeding of Dav, our selectors and definitely our players are more intense than anybody else in this forum. So, please have faith on this team and officials, definitely they will bring nack the glory which we lost in the ODI series.
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Old May 2, 2006, 07:33 AM
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We need to have a specialist batting coach. Our bowlers are doing a good job. We have managed to restrict Australia but we havent been able to bat well enough to win.
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But more vital question is the opposite of Zakirc ... I am rather worried about how long Dav Whatmore will continue tolerating these irresponsibilities of our batsmen ... May be he is taking a poll inside himself whether to continue with BD team or not.
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Old May 2, 2006, 06:22 PM
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man i am confused with the poll, cuz one place said continue and anothe place he said discontinued, so what is it? I wonder whether I voted yes or no, I wanted Mr. Whatmore to continue till 2007 WC.
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Old May 3, 2006, 12:36 PM
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Whatmore should be more strict with players and Faruk. This guy some how knows how to be more friendly with sub continent crooks. He couldn't cricket the crickets mentality after staying here so long. People say bd advanced but how long they are playing test cricket? Man statistics doesn't talk about anything in favor of him.
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Old May 3, 2006, 06:32 PM
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Annie... He is strick, but there is only so much you can do when dealing with adults. If they want to do something they are going to do it with or without permission of the coach. Dav is all about the look and he has a way about him that you don't want to dissapoint him. The silence treatment is the worst... the not saying anything cos your that upset and angry... and i feel for the cricketers more at that time than i do when they get yelled at. But believe me when those boys need their heads pulled in it is done.When talking about stats... you talking against aussie or against themselves? They have improved and have one series, maybe against a weaker side, but its a win and they are progressing... Rome was not built in a day and either is a World Cup winning team.
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